What is this trash book wow
[eBook] The Real Anthony Fauci - Kindle Edition $2.99 (Was $22.99) @ Amazon AU » All Comments
Because you read it?
you dont have to have read it when you know the author is an anti vax conspiracy theory nutter who has been spreading blatant misinformation this whole pandemic, to know the content will be the same narative,
I'm hearing nothing but regurgitation from people like you.
The most dangerous frame of mind is making a judgement on a material or topic that you haven't actually experienced - or in this case read.
If you read the book and then say its trash then fine, I can respect that but dismissing something as "misinformation" when you don't have any information about it. Well… that's the stupidest thing you can do.
OP - Donald Trump is that you?
Here come the haters - lol.
Guaranteed it won't make the front page..
Haters? Have you seen any of his leaked emails vs what he told the public at the same time?
U mean Fauci?
I've seen plenty of contradiction, Yes..
Get this Trump era propaganda crap out of here
The author is a Democrat…
Whether he's a democrat or republican doesn't matter, it's still bullshit misinformation that is just making the COVID situation worse, not better.
How is it making it worse and where is the better information?
The only ones making it worse are the governments who've taken advice from the likes of Fauci, they should have let it rip at the start and let "nature" takes it's course instead of trying to piss about with a new treatment that's being found not to work as they promised/ anticipated.
After you've had your tenth monthly booster and refuse any more cos you're still catching "covid", all you (currently) pro-boosters will find the government will treat you just the same as the untreated.
Has your fear of something that is 99+% survivable really let you believe these big pharma treatments are the only solution, and how many boosters are you going to accept being put in your body 10, 25, 100?
Come on the Injected, I'd really like to know how many boosters you'd be happy to take or foist on your children (when no one knows their long-term effects), or is that a question you haven't asked yourself yet?@alidli: I take offence to this sort of narrow minded BS from tough Keyboard warriors. How well are you positioned to comment on letting ‘nature’ take it course.
I work in an ICU and it’s obvious that it’s the unvaccinated who are on the greatest ICU supports and who make up the greater percentage of deaths. Does that mean nothing to you? These are people with loving families.
The intense workload on the staff in my hospital as we are trying to cope with covid patient after covid patient is absolutely brutal. Elective surgeries are being cancelled. That’s people who may have waited years to be operated cancelled due to covid patients filling up the wards.
One of the reasons why it’s 99+% survivable in Australia is because of ‘vaccinations’. Additionally, thinking that the 99+% who survive somehow are able to get back to 100% normal life is completely false and something that someone with no idea would say. Lots of survivors have a significant morbidity associated with infection. This morbidity is lessened if vaccinated.
Sure vaccine effectiveness wanes over time, that’s why we have boosters. Here is a good (and new) peer reviewed article in a highly respected journal to look at if you’re interested in this
https://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/NEJMoa2115481@flashi007: The article uses data collected between December 8, 2020, and October 1, 2021 which is really no longer relevant in the day of omicron in terms of vaccine effectiveness against infection.
@djlee: You ever done any scientific research? Good research is bloody hard - it takes time and resources. The research on omicron will come in due course. However, looking at the bigger picture - delta is not dead. It’s still around. Also omicron wasn’t around when you wanted to ‘let it rip’ at the start.
@flashi007: Who said anything about 'let it rip'?
Here are some up to date studies which separate vaccine effectiveness against delta vs omicron.
ref:
https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2021.12.30.21268565v…
https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2021.12.20.21267966v…
@djlee: My mistake dj. It was the poster above my first comment who wanted to let it rip.
Also your links are dead - I’d love to see them. I think it’s well established omicron is a milder variant with vaccines having less effectiveness against it. Again, less effective as doesn’t mean zero. This effectiveness is likely improved with a booster.
@flashi007: needing a booster for a jab doesn't mean it doesn't work, in the same way that needing to refill the fuel tank in a car doesn't mean that doesn't work….
@AdModnar: Of course. Waning effectiveness does not mean effectiveness is now zero. You’re in a much better position having had a vaccine than not having one.
The latest data published by the UK Health Security Agency shows that of 3,726 COVID-19 deaths over a three-week period to November 21, 2,903 were people fully vaccinated against the disease, compared to 708 unvaccinated people.
Source: https://assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/government/uploads/…Yes this is "older" data, but the data speaks for itself…
In NSW
According to that data, 2,030 COVID-19 patients were hospitalized in New South Wales. Of those patients, 28.8% were unvaccinated and 68.9% were fully vaccinated. (The data does not include information about whether the patients had received vaccine boosters.)
The same data reported 159 COVID-19 patients in intensive care units. Of those patients, 49.1% were unvaccinated and 50.3% were vaccinated.
(The data from the New South Wales government was current through Jan. 9. )
Source: https://aci.health.nsw.gov.au/__data/assets/pdf_file/0008/69…Not sure where you're getting your numbers from (if at all), but what you said in your previous comment is factually wrong.
Also, people who contracted covid pre-vaccines were still 99% likely to fully recover…
the data speaks for itself…
The data doesn't speak for itself. It's incomplete.
Vaccination isn't an impenetrable shield - you can still catch it. It can still knock you around. It could still kill you. The likelihoods can be severely decreased, but generally not to zero. Especially if you have other issues/conditions.
We're generally seeing more of the older populations being hospitalised than the young, who are less likely to suffer enough from the virus to end up in hospital. Both UK and NSW have highly vaccinated populations, especially in the more vulnerable older populations. This speaks for itself - older (50+) populations more likely to need hospitalisation + older (50+) populations more thoroughly vaccinated = more vaccinated in hospital than unvaccinated.
Sure, you can look at the figures and say more vaccinated in hosptial than unvaccinated. But the numbers by themselves don't tell the whole story.
@Chandler: My comment was directed @flashi007 who said they are seeing way more unvaccinated patients in hospital with covid…
I agree more people vaccinated would equate the more likely to have more patients in hospital who have been vaccinated, but is that statement alone an oxymoron?
@Danstar: Sorry, I've just seen those sorts of figures used a fair bit in anti-vax arguments. Also flashi007 wasn't actually saying there's more unvaccinated patients in hospital (at least in the comment you replied to): (emphasis mine)
Of course. Waning effectiveness does not mean effectiveness is now zero. You’re in a much better position having had a vaccine than not having one.
Better position doesn't necessarily mean you don't end up in hospital. It might mean you don't end up in hosptial; might mean you don't end up in ICU; might mean you don't end up dead.
You could be one of the unlucky where the vaccine makes no difference. You could be one of the lucky where the vaccine means you don't even realise you got it.
You could be one of the unlucky where the vaccine itself hurts you. You could be one of the unlucky where the vaccine results in you having worse symptoms than you would have without it.
But in general, vaccination helps. It helps you suffer less. It helps others by reducing transmission. It helps the healthcare system (and by extension yourself and others) by having less infected/severely infected to deal with.
Back to vaccinated vs unvaccinated figures - we've accepted that the current makeup is likely due to vaccination rates resulting in a higher ratio. What would the situation look like if those people weren't vaccinated? Would they not have ended up in hosptial at all, or would they have ended up in ICU or dead instead?
I work in an ICU and it’s obvious that it’s the unvaccinated who are on the greatest ICU supports and who make up the greater percentage of deaths.
@Danstar: Yea well - I think its crystal clear from the comment of mine which you quoted that i didn't say what you think i said
My comment was directed @flashi007 who said they are seeing way more unvaccinated patients in hospital with covid…
@Danstar: Some good points and some not so good - my opinions are from purely from what's happening in my ICU, however it is backed up with data worldwide.
If you wanted to look at the data, its a little bit simplistic to discuss vaccine effectiveness based on absolute raw figures. Usually the high risk populations of elderly or those with significant medical conditions get vaccinated - and by doing so, there is a cohort of the vaccinated population more likely to do worse given they are at such a high risk. You really need to compare the differences in risk in the vaccinated vs unvaccinated population with some (far too clever for me) statistics to come up with a figure that is more accurate. However in really simple (and inherently incorrect) terms - if we look at the NSW data:
Hospitalisations
- 2030 COVID patients hospitalised
- 28.8% unvaccinated (585 patients)
- 68.9% double vaccinated (1399 pts)
The community double vaccinated rate (in >12yo) is 92.5%.
As stated this oversimplifies the data - but if the vaccine was not effective, then the number of hospitalised would be closer to 1878 (92.5% of the hospitalisations). There are a number of caveats to this which I won't go into here (and probably would be better commented on by a public health physician) but its a strong signal.ICU
- 159 COVID patients in ICU
- 49.1% unvaccinated
- 50.3% double vaccinated
Almost 50% of the ICU population with COVID are coming from almost 10% of the general population who aren't vaccinated. This oversimplifies things, not taking into account kids, high risk cohorts, etc - but this signal is worrying.An icu admission is not a homogenous treatment - different people are given vastly different therapies. When looking at our ICU data, I can tell you:
- the vaccinated population is needing mild-moderate amounts of extra oxygen
- the unvaccinated population is needing moderate-high amounts of extra oxygen. These are the ones needing the breathing tubes and proning.Anyway, I wouldn't say any comment I made earlier is factually wrong. I was never talking about raw numbers and I stand by my comment
it’s obvious that it’s the unvaccinated who are on the greatest ICU supports and who make up the greater percentage of deaths
All I can do is try and explain the data you've posted. Ive also added a few things on my experiences as well. Its up to you to decide what you want to do with it. Most people who comment with your sort of prose aren't going to change their minds about COVID or the vaccine.
Also this comment of yours (below) is vastly incorrect
Also, people who contracted covid pre-vaccines were still 99% likely to fully recover…
Here is an article from another well respected journal to have a squiz at
https://www.thelancet.com/journals/eclinm/article/PIIS2589-5370(21)00299-6/fulltextI work in an ICU and it’s obvious that it’s the unvaccinated who are on the greatest ICU supports and who make up the greater percentage of deaths.
It's easy to quickly judge someone who argues the MSM POV, the Governments agenda, etc, as an anti-vaxxer, I'm not saying you're doing that, but the majority quickly do as soon as someone brings up a differing opinion/data.
I believe Covid exists, I just think the media has used fear as a driver to get more viewers/clicks and the Governments worldwide just want to be seen as doing what they think is best to ensure they get re-elected. We live in a world of corruption.
The hospitals I've been involved with in Victoria have basically told me they've wasted so many resources on "Covid", that so many departments have overwhelmed, but it just gets reported by the media and govt. that "HOSPITALS ARE OVERRUN! COVID CASES SOARING" Sometimes you have to read between the lines. I haven't been in the loop since this "omicron" variant has been booming in numbers, but from what I can gather is it's not as bad as being as we have numbers not seen in Australia before and we seem to be handling it ok….for now.
@flashi007: Well said flashi007.
My wife is a nurse and our friend works in ICU.
I agree with all your points.@flashi007: So so true.
Tired of all this anti vax rhetoric.
Even having some DH tennis player think he can skip cues of refugees to get a visa even without getting vaccinated.Not had to learn how to. And why you need to wear a mask, but I still see chin strappers evryewhere.
DH truckies who think that the country would stop if they stopped, and trying to hold the country at gun point by refusing to vaccinate. Only later to see several of them now infected, passing this on to trail staff that don’t take the proper precautions and thus now supermarkets near me with empty shelves.
No.. they have the stock. Just no staff to restock them apparently.I think many take this free Heath in Australia to lightly.
Thinking they measly Medicare contribution will solve it.
Hospital staff not able o take holidays or time off, working harder than ever, taking in greater and grater workloads and thus putting people at more risk of injury and death.Why.. because DH who think they know better than the science.
Peopl who are convinced t world is flat, or Covid doesn’t exist, etc.
Thank god we didn’t have the same ease and access the the internet back in the 80s when AIDS first hit.
As there’s still groups of people out there that refuse to believe AIDS is real, but thankfully in the 80s you had to be smart to use the internet to spread information, and thus thus reduced the amount of idiots spreading bs.Even heard that when the volcano near Tonga erupted, there were groups of people who actually headed to the beaches to see if they could see a tsunami.
Like wtf people…So… just because you heard it on YouTube or some social media about Covid. Please stop and think before spreading stories without thoroughly fact checking them first.
In fact.. as th majority of people aren’t versed in critical thinking and how to decipher a good article from a bad one, I’d suggest just leave this to the experts.
@alidli: Why is it that the people who fall for this kind of BS are the kinds of people who you’d never listen to in real life and take any sort of advice from. What line of work are you in exactly?
Could you be any more cringy, OP?
Alternative facts, previously known as misinformation or lies…
I know masks on is misinformation .
And now you have to pay to consume it. Not really a deal.
I can get nonsense much cheaper than this. Any of Murdoch's rags…
my dad is currently brainwashed by this scam artist. avoid.
NPC's, assemble!
Didn't know ozbargain had so many of them.
These people don't know how to think for themselves.safe and effective
safe and effective
safe and effective
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Scam
JFK Jr is a quack and shill for bs
JFK Jr. has been dead for 20 years
Omg yes indeed. Doh!
Whatever your thoughts on left/right, blue Vs red, D Vs R, trump, bidenetc etc.. fauci is a fraud and under him as head of NIH, he has failed miserably during and in the lead up to COVID.
If (almost) 1 million deaths under his guidance is considered praiseworthy, what does failure look like?
delusion
noun: delusion; plural noun: delusions- an idiosyncratic belief or impression maintained despite being contradicted by reality or rational argument.
Are you saying fauci is delusional? I wouldn't go that far.
Dishonest. Egotistical. Narcissistic. Absolutely yes
How did the 1 million people die? I thought Fauci haters considered Covid to be a minor flu.
I believe CDC has come out discredit g the data and admired that 75% of reported death had 4 or more co-morbidities. I think the issue is most want a simple black and white split, like hate or love or it’s either worst killer know to man or a minor flu. anyways, I really just wanted to mention the CDC’s position
Real health professionals with medical licenses signed off on those 1 million death certificates. Each and every one of them.
If some one with heart disease and diabetes dies of respiratory failure and is COVID positive, they died due to COVID. It’s not complicated and it’s not some conspiracy, it’s thousands upon thousands of individual medical professionals caring for their individual patients and making an informed decision about the cause of death as a result of their personal experience.
@truemana: mate that’s literally CDC’s new position, I wasn’t interpreting or reading between lines. I don’t have a “belief” one way or another. my explanatory comment (with no political side to it) gets a reaction says more about the state we are in.
@Danielj: Yeah, and you’ve misinterpreted their position entirely and misrepresented it as meaning something that it doesn’t.
1 million died because Trump said Covid was a joke and not to take the vaccine. Fauci was the only voice of reason saying to take it seriously at the time..
Turn off CNN. It will do you wonders.
CNN? Do we live in the states do we?
@bradenpd: Given the role Sky plays in Murdoch's global propaganda network, is probably easy for Sky News viewers to forget.
If you don't like misinformation, please stop spreading it
Trump has not said not to take the vaccine.
In fact, he has pushed it quite strongly, mainly because it was made during his presidency.Also, more people have died of covid under
biden than trump, and biden inherited 3 vaccines.Fauci took it so seriously that he told people not to wear masks.
He took it so seriously that he told people not to go to see their dying relatives, to funerals, schools or nursing homes etc, but he had nothing to say about thousands gathering for BLM riots…You do realise you can be critical of Fauci for things such as not recommending masks and not support disinformation of Robert F. Kennedy Jr.
@yanyan1: @rc12
If that comment was directed at me, I absolutely agree.
Nowhere have I supported this book or author.
Now who’s spreading misinformation.
Fauci has restated his view on masks since that initial announcement. Why did you intentionally leave that out?
@XCOM v2: @xcom
I did not leave that out. Perhaps it should have been worded better. I did say Told, I should have said Told initially.
But the truth is initially (first few months) he said masks were unnecessary. The reason he said it was not science based. He said it as he feared stock shortages for hospitals etc. He did not openly say this.
If he was honest about his reasons, you could give him a pass, but he purposely misled the public on the effect a mask could have.If he cannot be trusted on that, and on top of all the other missteps and politically motivated comments he has made, how is he to be trusted?
Huh? Trump says he created the Vax, also tried to stop travellers from countries with the virus. Fauci told the US not to wear masks, then months later to double mask. Then we learn he was the mind behind funding a Wuhan lab that studies Covid viruses.
Wasn’t Trump one of the first to say a vaccine was coming and the left wing media doubted it?
Misinformation.
Why is this site becoming so politicised? Honestly…
Perhaps because people are negging for political reasons?
garbage
lots of negs. is it available cheaper elsewhere?
Goes against the 'Narrative'..
Lots of invalid negs with no reason given for negging it. Most of these idiots have no idea why they are even giving it a neg.
Because it’s misinformation?
Explain one thing in this book, which you have obviously read, that is misinformation…
@Shaun Prawn: That the response to the pandemic was designed to destroy free speech and critical thinking, is one.
There a National Geography documentary I'm sure everyone wants to see how he saved the world from Ebola and Aids .
https://www.niaid.nih.gov/director/awards
Don't forget Fauci Day Dec23 .
If you don't like the book that is fine, what good does it do to trash talk the op or anyone that might enjoy the book? also please stop parroting MS with "misinformation"
Because users need to post a comment to unlock the ability to negative vote this post.
Because incorrect information can be dangerous and the consequences of direct action arising from such disingenuous information is not normally a bargain.
The author, the OP and others may be free to project their opinions, but they are not free for the consequences of it.
Why does partisan propaganda pass as a bargain?
Because the vaccines are working.
Arrest FauciAnother 14 vaccines, sorry boosters to go
Any other solutions ?
Or just join the approaching unvaccinated ( 98-99% ) mil US deaths .
Yeah there’s no other medicines out there that require multiple courses…
There are vaccines such as for hepatitis B that are 3 doses. However the difference is that it works, with very little in the way of severe side effects.
The current covid vaccines are experimental vaccines that are used under emergency use authorisation, which the vaccine makers are profiting from with impunity.
wow a real doctor on ozbargain! i have so many medical questions for you. how much do you make a year?
You know the vaccines have had enormous resources thrown at them. The Pfizer vaccine trial contained over 40k people in it before it was approved for use (here’s the paper https://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/nejmoa2034577). It’s now been given to hundreds and hundreds of millions (if not more) people worldwide and it’s short term safety profile is clear. It’s safe. Major side effects are rare. It works.
I’m not even sure what an ‘experimental Vaccine’ means and I think you don’t know either. All vaccines are trialed in this way, and in a sense all vaccines continue to be researched regardless of how old they are. Side effects of vaccinations are collected to further improve and research their safety profile. So If by ‘experimental’ you mean they have ongoing research - then all vaccines and all medications are.@flashi007: The covid vaccines only have provisional approval by the TGA. They're not the same as 'all vaccines and all medications'.
@djlee: I’m not sure what you know what you are talking about.
Here is a quote for you:
The Therapeutic Goods Administration (TGA) provisionally approved these vaccines after a complete assessment of all the available data. This is the same process as any vaccine approved in this country.The TGA will only register and approve a COVID-19 vaccine if it is safe and effective.
No part of the process has been rushed, and there was no emergency authorisation granted. The TGA does not have an "Emergency Use Authorisation" pathway for COVID-19 vaccinesThat is from the dept of health website
https://www.health.gov.au/initiatives-and-programs/covid-19-…ALL vaccines go through provisional approval.
@flashi007: It does not yet have full approval
Provisional approval
We can give provisional approval to medicines which provide a promising treatment for a serious or life threatening condition. This makes the medicine available for a limited period while the pharmaceutical company completes final clinical trials.Under the standard pathway, a medicine is not available until after all clinical trials have been completed, so this can make a medicine available up to two years earlier than normal.
In order to do this, the sponsor must apply and we must be satisfied that the benefit of earlier access for patients is greater than the risk of not yet having all of the supporting evidence that we usually require.
As a condition of provisional approval, the company must agree to continue clinical trials and submit comprehensive evidence for review. If they do not follow this plan or submit this evidence, we can cancel the approval.
When the limited provisional approval period is up, we review of all the evidence. If we find that the benefit of the medicine to patients outweighs the risks associated with its use, we give the medicine ongoing, full approval. If after the review, or at any other stage, we find the risks outweigh the benefits, we cancel the approval. If the medicine is cancelled, health professionals will discuss other treatment options with patients taking the medicine.
@flashi007: It’s just very odd why TGA is adopting the “vaccine way or the highway” approach. If the patient has already taken the vaccine and still fell ill, why the TGA still disallows medical practitioners from prescribing certain drugs for treatment, especially when these drugs are still listed in WHO’s list of essential medicines
https://list.essentialmeds.org/?query=ivermectin
https://list.essentialmeds.org/?query=hydroxychloroquine
One of them resulted in the award of Nobel prize for its invention. I get that there are still critical cases in hospital, so why is the focus so narrow on vaccines to the exclusion of other drugs? It beggars belief that the TGA is limiting medical practitioners ability to prescribe medication according to their own understanding. Repurposing drugs has always been common practice, until COVID.
The whole “horse dewormer” message from FDA is so preposterously disingenuous it makes you wonder why they had to put it out there. Somehow people forgot that dosage matters, large dose for animals, smaller dose for human beings.
As I said, I’m not trying to downplay the severity of cases in the ICU, but I can’t understand the role of TGA tying the hands of medical practitioners when it comes to prescription. I mean, doctors went to uni and are meant to know what’s good for their patients. Opinions may differ…
@LowHangingFruit: You've posed an excellent question and one worth more then the few minutes I have to write my response. Maybe someone else can help provide some information for you but…
Ivermectin
- might be used if you suspect that a parasite may need treating (eg like a roundworm reactivation)
- was originally postulated as a therapy in a lab - they essentially mixed ivermectin and COVID in a petri dish and it worked. However the levels of ivermectin used in the petri dish was far far higher than the safe doses we give to humans.
- there is also a complete lack of good evidence for its use - most of the summary papers looking at its effect (systematic review and meta analyses) contain really poorly designed trials, with significant limitations and a lack of severe patients.
- I haven't looked into this for a while, but until some better data comes along, there just is no justification to prescribe itHydroxyq
- several reasonably good and large trials have shown no benefit in the use of it. The trials I link below aren't the only ones. They aren't perfect trials either - but there just doesn't seem to be any signal in these reasonably well designed trials (far better designed than the ivermectin ones)https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/33031652/
https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/32409561/
https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/32706953/- there are also know cardiac side effects which some people have issues with - but to be fair, if it was shown to work then it would be used
specific therapies
There are currently a few therapies we do use in Covid patients - these include
- steroids - both IV and inhaled
- antivirals - remdesivir
- other diseases modifying drugs - like Baricitinib, Casirivimab, Sotrovimab, etc (there are a few more)
- Pharmacologic prophylaxis against blood clotsSo there is scope to treat the conditions, and depending on certain circumstances, a patient may get one or more of the drugs i mentioned above. The thing about medicine is that there are no absolutes and researchers continues. In a years time, there may be a new drug or two on the list, and others may drop-off. Thats the nature of the profession.
Sorry I couldn't do a deep dive - but I need to get ready for work!!!
@flashi007: Some info you won't be able to find using Google search.
India used Ivermectin and 1-2 other drugs ( I can't recall the name right now) to help stop their spread of Covid as their numbers were out of control. They went from hundredes of thousands of cases per day, to under 5000 per day after 5 weeks.
@Danstar: You know the Indian government have stopped using it late last year citing lack of scientific evidence.
Some places in Australia were using hydroxyq as well until evidence suggested it showed no benefit.
The Indian government made a judgement call on the evidence they had - and that use has since been rescinded.
@flashi007: Like I said, easy to find information on one side, not the other. Not at all suspicious that not one source of msm reported on this or any other Governments. It was swept under the carpet and hoped it would not come out.
Still didn't come out, the only information that did come out is what you just stated… #convenient
@flashi007: Thanks for your input above. I only know as much as I have read so far. Here are some key points to note:
There have been concerns with how the trials are conducted with regards to hydroxychloroquine (HCQ) which led to conclusions of limited effectiveness, i.e. during COVID trials, HCQ was administered too late when it is most effective when administered early. In terms of side effects, HCQ has been widely prescribe in regions prone to malaria infection as a prophylactic measure, meaning that they are prescribe pre-emptively to prevent malaria, not when someone already fell ill with it. This has been happening for decades. I don't think a drug with significant side effects would continue to be prescribed in this manner.
https://www.cdc.gov/malaria/resources/pdf/fsp/drugs/hydroxyc…While ivermectin (IVM) has been prescribed as an anti-parasitic medication, among many mechanisms, it also acts as an ionophore for delivery of zinc into cells, which inhibits viral replication. There have been other studies suggesting IVM's effectiveness as a blocker of viral replicase. Ivermectin has been approved by FDA since 1996, so we have benefit to long term observation to assess side effects.
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC7996102/I'm only noting some points that came to mind (there are a lot more sources in the book). It strikes me a highly irregular that these drugs are dismissed very early on in the battle against COVID when they have received regulatory approval ages ago, have been widely prescribed and their side effects (or lack thereof) known. I would have thought further and better designed trials could have been conducted to confirm early conclusions about their lack of effectiveness. If they indeed work, they are also cheap because their patents have expired.
New antiviral tablets such as molnupiravir purportedly share the same key mechanism as ivermectin in its anti-viral properties, but at an eye-watering price, and lack of long term observation regarding side effects. Already there are concerns about molnupiravir's potential side effects with causing cancer and birth defects.
Monoclonal antibodies (e.g. sotrovimab, regeneron) have seen high effectiveness in battling COVID, especially when given early on before symptoms escalate. The question is why the volume of its production has not been increased to the same levels/intensity as the COVID vaccines? And are hospitals prioritising the administration of monoclonal antibodies early on so that hospitalisation can be avoided as much as possible?
While anecdotal, there have been quite a few cases in the US where hospitals have prevented patients on ventilators from receiving IVM, despite showing no signs of improvement from medication like remdesivir. These patients' close relatives had to go to court to force the hospitals to allow a willing doctor to administer IVM. And from all the cases where the IVM was administered, the patients recovered. I'm not saying IVM will always work, but it's telling when there is such resistance to the right to try medication, especially after all other avenues have been exhausted.
It did occur to me that in states like Melbourne, the government's approach toward illicit drugs is somewhat interesting, in that drug injecting rooms are advocated. We're talking about allowing people to inject themselves with illicit drug lol. Yet FDA/TGA approved drugs like HCQ and IVM receive so much scrutiny for its potential use against COVID?
All that being said, I think your response has given me hope that maybe hospitals in Australia are becoming wise with their treatment options (i.e. not designating the COVID vaccines as a silver bullet against COVID). But I think you cannot discount the relevance of patents and profits in motivation to promote certain courses of treatment. The motivation is simply too strong to ignore.
Thanks again for your input.
@djlee: This does mean it is still experimental. It has been through the largest trials in human history. TGA are waiting for Phase 4 trials which is basically follow-up data after an approved treatment has already been used by people. Standard practice and doesn't make it "experimental".
make sure never to take more than one round of chemo when you get cancer
Chemo is a treatment. You're already sick. Vaccine is supposed to be a prevention.
Varicella, Hepatitis A, and Hepatitis B all require multiple doses to be a fully effective vaccination.
Make sure to never reapply sun screen then
@djlee: just cancer, according to rfk…
https://childrenshealthdefense.org/defender/78-sunscreens-ca…@djlee: COVID will. Myocarditis is much more common after COVID infection, than vaccination. It has been shown that this specific heart inflammation occurs about 67 times per million males (males are much more susceptible than females) after vaccination, compared to 450 males per million following COVID infection.
Your chance of myocarditis as a result of COVID is dramatically reduced by vaccination.@Plimsol: You're not getting all the facts. If you're a male under 40, the risk of myocarditis is higher following Pfizer dose 2 and Pfizer dose 3 and Moderna dose 1 and Moderna dose 2, than from covid infection.
Ref:
https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2021.12.23.21268276v…
@djlee: Have you read what you’re actually posting? The article you’ve linked has even lower rates of myocarditis. I was giving you some leeway (pun intended) but you’re saying it’s only less than 10 people per million?
I can help explain it if you like? It’s basically my job.@djlee: Nature is a highly respected journal and that article is confirming what plimsol is saying. These articles are complicated to read and understand so it’s easy to get mixed up - but the article states that in both under 40 and above 40 year olds, myocarditis from the vaccines occurs at a lower rate when compared to covid causing myocarditis
Thanks OP for recommending the book. I was surprised to see the discount, but I think it’s because the physical copies can’t get out quick enough. Interestingly, it is Simon and Schuster who are the publishers for the eBook edition. Still reading through (1/3 so far) and all I can say is that it highlighted many facts that are at least worth knowing, whatever your conclusions are. The author, Robert Kennedy Jr, was one of the lawyers representing the plaintiffs in the “Roundup” weed killer class action, which was ended in billions of dollars in settlement. Also the same lawyer who won the “Gardasil” cervical cancer vaccine class action against Merck. So, he is at risk of libel if there were falsehoods in this book. He talks at length about the current COVID situation, but the focus is really to address the deeply entrenched issues with health regulators’ relationship with Big Pharma. Remember the issue about the medical treatment for AIDS highlighted in the movie Dallas Buyers Club? It’s in this book as well. I think the moment you feel you cannot ask questions without being labelled, there is a bigger problem. People are entitled to reach their own conclusions, and the author might have more extreme views about the state of affairs in healthcare regulation. But it is not ok to be judged just because you are interested in asking more questions and finding out facts. No surprise Joe Rogan Experience is crushing all other media outlets in terms of viewership.
Never let facts get in the way of a good story..
Well said.
Thanks for an actual useful comment.
Thank you @LowHangingFruit for your well-informed comment!
Pleasure is mine. Judging from the barrage of comments you got for posting the deal, I should thank you for your courage lol. Reading long books is time-consuming, and it doesn’t help when people in general have become so accustomed to twitter feeds or news excerpts as their main information source. Trust me, I’m trying very hard not to use words like “hydroxychloroquine” or “ivermectin” in my comments given obvious reasons. Trying to spare anyone from a “misinformation” fit of rage lol
Almost all of them don't even know what a zinc ionophore/protease inhibitor is…
Nor that certain (now banned from use for covid) drugs have secondary functions of being zinc ionophores… which when used early, dramatically increase intracellular zinc, that will then in term curb the viral replication process, RNA-dependent RNA polymerase (RdRp).
But there are other zinc ionophores/protease inhibitors, some of which are available otc as supplements, and some of which are only now coming on the market. i.e. merck, and pfizer's new pills, as well as remdesimir (which is given way way way too late btw).
Personally, I have on hand quercetin phytosome, as my zinc ionophore. Which is a very high bio-available form of quercetin.
Paper on the use of quercetin phytosome for use as a treatment of covid,
https://www.dovepress.com/possible-therapeutic-effects-of-ad…For anyone interested, quercetin is just basically bioflavonoids.
EGCG is another zinc ionophore, which is green tea extract. However, it is known to be toxic in some people, so should not be used imho.
I was surprised to see the discount, but I think it’s because the physical copies can’t get out quick enough.
Huh? It's selling so well that it needs to be discounted? How does that make sense?
My bad, I wrote too fast, and it was too late for me to edit my comment when I realised how it sounded. What I was trying to say is that the physical copies were in short supply and the publisher couldn’t bring them out quick enough. It seems to me the author’s priority is to bring the book out to the public as quickly as possible, hence the sale of the eBook at a ridiculous price.
Still doesn't make sense. If this is such an important piece of information for the public why is it put behind a price?
@Gehirn: Since you put it that way, let me applaud you for being the true OzBargainer. You’re right, nothing beats free.
@Gehirn: If Covid is such a global catastrophe then why are vaccine makers not sharing their intellectual property with low income countries, where only 4% of the population are vaccinated, particularly since they were developed from funding from the US government paid for by tax payers.
@djlee: The same reason all other vaccines, medications and treatments aren't given out freely, however you are conflating two different issues.
Covid is a global catastrophe though.
Asking questions should be welcomed. Everyone should do that. The issue lies in the people who ask questions but don’t like the answers that are given. The answers based on peer reviewed scientific research.
Funnily enough, Joe Rogan has also ticked off his longer term more loyal fan base by ignoring evidence and giving the spotlight to quacks with an axe to grind like McCullough and Malone.
Posts like this give me hope I could sell my used toilet paper. Clearly people will buy anything.
Pretty disgusting that the author can grift off antivax for profit.
Unlike Pfizer?
Pfizer are grifting off antivaxxers…? Well, in a way I suppose, when their products are used to try save the lives of admitted Covid patients. I wonder what they make more money off, the vaccine, or unvaxxed being in hospital?
By selling the eBook at $2.99 instead of $40+ (physical copy)?
Wow, what a response. Seems like a lot are judging a book by its cover! It would be nice if you want to neg it, to at least take the time to read it first.
It's actually a substantial book, and is fully referenced so you can look into all the information further. From 2,650+ who have left a review on Amazon, the average rating is 4.9 out of 5.0 - feedback from those who have taken the time to read it is overwhelmingly positive.
Anyhow, the reason for posting was to share the deal - for those who may be interested. If you're not interested, simply skip over.
Take care everyone!
Judging the book not by the cover but by the several in-depth endorsements. It just seems like a book by the antivax and for the antivax.
Someone give me one reason why should anyone not believe the ‘oh so corrupt Fauci and his poisonous vaccine’ and believe the author of this book instead . Fauci might very well be a corrupt person I don’t know but so can be the author trying to sell his book to make money.
One the the many reasons anyone should not believe the author is that the author clearly has a motive behind all this - to sell the book and make money.
One the the many reasons anyone should not believe the author is that the author clearly has a motive behind all this - to sell the book and make money
But isn’t that the point of nearly all books?
The only free ones I thought were propaganda ones.
I haven’t read the book, but I do hope if it does unjustly slanders someone as high profile as Fauci, they would be sued for it. It is America after all
Referenced by Breitbart and so on? Or objective references?
Luckily the quality of the cover matches the content in this case.
One of the reviews mention that deaths caused by vaccines should be considered murder - but what about the potential hundreds of thousands of death caused by the unvaccinated who don’t adhere to rules and spread the virus? Shouldn’t those avoidable deaths also be considered murder?
lol. turn off the TV..
Even Fauci stated 'the viral load in the nasal pharynx is no different between Vax'd & Unvax'd'
Do some research b4 making silly remarks like that.
To be clear, are you saying that vaccines do not work? That vaccines do not save you from preventable deaths?
Is it stopping the spread?
Does it stop you getting it?Isn't it the vax'd that were spreading it in Gym's/Pubs/Clubs/interstate travellers? Considering unvax'd weren't allowed to enter said premises.
@Bunsen: The answers are yes and yes.
Does wearing a seat belt completely stops you from dying?
Why don't you stop wearing it thenDo some research please it is everywhere (or else better let someone who knows some statistics to research it for you)
@Surrealblank: It saddens me if that's what you believe.
Keep up with the booster program. Pfiizer will have a new Omicron Vax out soon.
They reduce severe illness and hospitalisation. In the case of Omicron, they don't prevent transmission.
There are in fact 2 studies from Canada and Netherlands that show negative vaccine effectiveness 60-90 days following 2 doses of mRNA vaccines against Omicron, so you're more likely to catch Omicron if you're vaccinated.
ref:
https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2021.12.30.21268565v…
https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2021.12.20.21267966v…
@djlee: medRxiv is not a peer-reviewed source as it is preprint. I would not rely on the articles you posted as medRxiv has the following caution on their front page.
"Caution: Preprints are preliminary reports of work that have not been certified by peer review. They should not be relied on to guide clinical practice or health-related behavior and should not be reported in news media as established information."
During an interview with Yahoo Finance on Jan. 10, speaking about the Omicron variant, Bourla said: “We know that the two doses of a vaccine offer very limited protection, if any. The three doses with a booster, they offer reasonable protection against hospitalization and deaths. Against deaths, I think very good, and less protection against infection.” ( youtu.be/lhMbKyDq9_w?t=96 )
@Old SchoolHarry Who exactly is at risk? What percentage is at risk? How we can avoid being in a risk category? Would love to hear all the health advice you're going to share to help us save lives.
@OldSchoolHarry: Who's an "antivaxer" or "flat earther"… I asked you a direct question. Can you answer it?
@Villainous: I am not a medical expert therefore I did not give out any health advice. Please read again. I too asked questions… which were answered with 'Whataboutism' as opposed to actual logic.
Please refer to https://www.health.gov.au/ for more info on Covid-19.
@OldSchoolHarry: "I am not a medical expert " Yet here you are commenting up and down about how specific people are spreading disease, vaccinations, vaccinated people, unvaccinated people…
@Villainous: If by specific people you mean those who don’t wear masks, are unvaccinated and don’t practice social distance… then yes I standby what I said. I am not a medical expert but I am also not dumb. Common sense is a thing too you know.
You’re questions about percentages is what you need to go to the website for.@OldSchoolHarry: "Common sense is a thing too you know."
So let's apply some. Go out and look at everyones mask. Look at your own. What rating are they? How many micron do they filter down to? How many micron is C19? How much airflow moves around a mask? Are the people around you actually positive? How long do you need to be in contact with someone who is positive to have a chance of catching it? How is it transferred? What should you do if you do come in contact with someone who is positive? Can you catch it if you are vaccinated? Can you carry it if you are vaccinated? Can you transfer it if you are vaccinated?…..
If you are serious about preventing deaths like you said, then you should be able to answer my initial questions about who is at risk and what we can do to prevent death. If you can't then you need to move beyond your "common sense" and government websites and start doing some actual research and have conversations about covid, not attack "boogey man" groups. This is being dealt with all over the world, not just Australia. Start by listening to some doctors who are actually seeing and treating patients on a daily basis.
@Villainous: It is unclear what you are trying to achieve here but all of those questions can be answered if you just look at scientific knowledge bases such as the govt health website and other peer-reviewed articles.
Masks (and other PPE), vaccines and lockdowns all help to reduce the spread of Covid-19 in various capacities.
How about you add some value to this conversation by directing me to any actual science based resources?
Start by listening to some doctors who are actually seeing and treating patients on a daily basis.
And aren’t they saying what Harry said? Get vaccination, wear mask, the better quality the better but even surgical is better than nothing etc etc.
What are you suggesting the doctors and nurses that treat Covid patients say? Im genuinely intrigued
Anti vax nonsense is not a deal.
Is Ozbargain slowly descending down the QAnon rabbit hole?… if so sign me up! Eneloops power the real vaccine!
Not a compelling deal, I tried injecting bleach and it didn't work.
You just need to get sunlight, you know, in the body.
This is what happens when an anti Liberal party "deal" is allowed to be posted and featured as a top deal. The floodgates are opened
And ozb's "Community Manager" was cheering on that OP for posting it, pinned his own meme gif to the top and protected that comment from being negged.
Being impartial no longer listed in his 2022 moderator code of conduct? Or was it a case of inflated ego?
The OP for that sticker even advocated for people to vandalise everyone's bins with it
The two are unrelated. Stop trying to make everything political.
I'm not sure you got my point. I'm whining that anything even remotely political is allowed here. I just want bargains, not "cheap" propaganda
Woke australia
Make australia great again, let’s go trump
RFK Jr is an arch Democrat
Glad to see critical thinkers on Ozbargain
Where?
Not you lol
Something something pot kettle
@life is suffering: Calls people sheep because they believe what they read and hear.
Also believes what they read and hear.
All sheep now?
Baa
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Issue with productIt is a rubbish book preying on those looking for the 'truth' as fed by their talking heads. I guess the banned accounts of this author, the books removal from certain places, and speaking out by his relatives is all just part of the 'conspiracy'. Not that he is spreading lies.
Did you read it?
Yes.
Somehow I don't believe you.
@Gehirn: You can show us proof that you actually own it for a starter.
But you won't.
Because you don't.@[Deactivated]: I don't think I should give out free excerpts but if you insist.
“Doctors need three qualifications: to be able to lie and not get caught, to
pretend to be honest, and to cause death without remorse.”
—Jean Froissart 1337–1405A ridiculous statement however.
Saying “Real” in the title makes it “Real”.
I like that they were so busy writing the book that they didn't have time to design a front cover.
Same as 'Progressive' 🤣
trash
It can be found online for free in about 3 clicks.
Even that’s too expensive for this.
Is that’s the case please remove your upvote and neg. Valid reason to neg is finding it cheaper else where
Misinformation alert!!
What a joke.
Commenting so that I can downvote this rubbish.
Fantastic book. God bless Robert Kennedy Jr
Not A Bargain Unless You Get Paid To Read this Book.
Thanks for reminder that I wanted to find and read it.
Lmao another covidiot.
🚬🔮
All the neg comments have made me curious and is tempting me to buy the book.
All the negs made me buy a Dell Gamer PC. It's been really great…
A true machine for critical thinkers. Overheating? No problem, I just took the side of the case off and used a pedestal fan.
This kind of solid thinking is how kids wind up eating tide pods
Antivaxx propaganda
2.99 on Google Play as well. Use reward points so free
Tucker Carlson recommended it. This should give you an idea of what the book peddles.
These are the reviews:
Dr. Joseph Goebbels wrote that ‘A lie told once remains a lie, but a lie told a thousand times becomes the truth.’ Tragically for humanity, there are many, many untruths emanating from Fauci and his minions. RFK Jr exposes the decades of lies.”
—Luc Montagnier, Nobel laureate“Bobby Kennedy is one of the bravest and most uncompromisingly honest people I’ve ever met. Someday he’ll get credit for it. In the meantime, read this book.”
—Tucker Carlson“As a trial lawyer, Robert F. Kennedy Jr. has taken on the world’s most powerful corporations and held them accountable for harming people and the environment. Those companies denied any wrongdoing—but time and again, judges and juries were persuaded that Kennedy’s position was the right one. Kennedy’s information should always be considered, and agree or disagree, we all learn from listening.”
—Tony Robbins, New York Times bestselling author“Bobby Kennedy and I famously disagree about many aspects of the current debates surrounding Covid and vaccines. We also disagree about Dr Fauci. But I always learn when I read or hear Bobby’s take. So read this book and challenge its conclusions.”
—Alan Dershowitz, Felix Frankfurter Professor of Law, Emeritus, at Harvard Law School; author of The Case for Vaccine Mandates“If you have any interest in doing a deep dive into the more than 100-year history of what led up to the COVID-19 pandemic, then The Real Anthony Fauci is an absolute must-read. In addition to exposing Fauci, the book reveals the complex web of connections between Gates and Big Pharma and many of the most important players that were responsible for seeking to implement global tyranny and profit enormously from the propaganda behind the COVID injections, masks, and lockdowns.”
—Dr. Joseph Mercola, founder of Mercola.com“Bobby Kennedy’s book on The Real Anthony Fauci speaks truth in times when health care becomes health harm, untruth rules through anti-science and fake news."
—Dr. Vandana Shiva, director of Navdanya and author of Oneness vs. the 1%Fauci pays for animal "experiments" and should have retired years ago, but his pompous ego makes him think he is the smartest guy in the room….edit: the world
You'll find a lot of brands you use test on animals. Do you go out of your way to avoid products tested on animals?
It's more than product testing if you care to search, and I try to avoid products that still do this.
Classic whataboutism.
Overseeing a research grant funding process from the top of the ladder is very different than "paying for animal experiments". By that token, Greg Hunt should get the credit for every good piece of research Australian scientists do.
“read this book and challenge its conclusions.”
Jeffrey Epstein's lawyer.
Compelling enough for you?
Can we all just take a deep breath and calm down? :)
No, Meet at the American embassy boyz. Boots on the ground! We'll liberate America from the tyrannical Fauci.
If only the paperback was this price, would be cheaper than toilet paper 💩📄👋
Should I laugh?
Let's leave this conspiracy anti-vax misinformation rubbish to the Americans, please.
You still believe that it came from wet market in Wuhan mate?
OK - go buy your book. I'm sure learning about his views that vaccines cause autism will be thoroughly enlightening, a view that has time and time again been thoroughly discredited by all medical professionals.
Nice deflection.
Answer the question.
"anti-vax" is the perfect indicator that you are listening to someone who:
A. Reads medical journals, reviews data, statistics and peer review studies
B. Parrots the idiot box
Fauci lied about funding of COVID-19 'Gain-of-Function' research at the Wuhan Lab.
And let's go Brandon!!! 😁
Imagine not having the guts to say something and instead you say something stupid like ‘let’s go Brandon’.
(profanity) Joe Biden. You can just say it. I do all the time.
Commenting just to downvote. Absolute garbage
For those vaxxed individuals who think that this book about Covid.. 4/5 of it is actually about HIV.
Maybe the OP of the post should have tagged it with HIV instead of Covid 19 like they did then.
Did you have your booster recently? Where OP says it's about Covid?
"I was looking at this highly-rated bestselling book recently, and the Kindle price was about AU$23. Checked back now and it has dropped $20 to $2.99. For comparison, the hardcover price is AU$44.99.
Looks like an interesting read, for anyone interested!"
In the tags for the deal! It's really not hard to see.
tagged it
@[Deactivated]: Yet 50% of cases in NSW's ICUs are unvaccinated despite making up 5% of the population?
How do you explain that?
@ihfree: "Oh, people can come up with statistics to prove anything, Kent. Forty percent of all people know that."
@[Deactivated]: Offended by being told to inject bleach a 'potential' cure, but not offended by yourself implying the booster shot causes confusion.
If all the keyboard warriors and 'researchers' here actually want to do real research and actually study, how about you read Harrison's Internal Medicine text book which Fauci is an editor of. Rather than this drivel by some washed-up politician still looking for relevance and resting on the laurels of their family name.
Oh BTW, please go to med school, do your internship, specialist training + exams and maybe a PhD, write a few research papers and then talk to me. It's the same science and peer reviewed scrutiny that keeps you alive when you have a heart attack, trauma, covid or any other condition.
If, I as a doctor, started giving you financial advice, you'd tell me where to shove it. So similarly, I tell you where to shove it when you try to give stupid medical and health advice.
Big neg from me.
You know what you have read. There are so much we don't know.
Do you have degrees in both virology and public health? Because if not, your advice is as much relevant as any other proctologist's.
Yeah I actually have a Masters of Public Health on top of my medical degree and other graduate certificates and specialist training… Lol
But also, next time you have an anaesthetic, please go ahead and tell your doctor, you don't want the sciencey synthetic stuff. I'm sure they can give you an anaesthetic free surgery if you like. Hope you enjoy your awareness under anaesthesia.
So you're not virologist and know nothing about vaccines to give advice on vaccinations?
Got it.
How about you use your own advice then?
@[Deactivated]: Sure thing I know nothing about vaccines.
Oh you got me, I am a proctologist as you say.
Please follow my onlyfans where I proctologise arseholes all day.Keyboard warrior, stop trying to make your irrelevance relevant.
@JDogman: Well, proctologist or not but you're not a virologist. So your advice about viral infections has as much weight as proctologist's.
Happy for your side-hustle, hope you'll get to 0.01% of creators soon.
@[Deactivated]: Cool man. Next time you have a heart attack, demand the ED physician not treat you and wait for the cardiologist to come in.. Cuz the ED physicians advice and understanding of heart attacks are obviously subpar to that of a cardiologist and thus their advice and treatment options have as much weight as a proctologist's.
Sound circular reasoning.
@JDogman: Also why demean the proctologist? (not that there is such a speciality in Australia - the closest being colorectal surgeon…)
They treat arse cancer all day. Without them, there would be so many people with arse cancer.
Basically, you are demeaning a profession/individual just like a woke left wing vaccinated inner Melbourne yuppie who looks down on the unvaccinated.
@JDogman: It's you who demeaning actually. I'm just saying that I would not expect from colorectal whatever to understand all intricacies of heart too. Yes, he has a general idea, but you would not go to him with heart attack for second opinion.
And if you did not get it yet - I'm not interested in opinion of anesthesiologist about vaccinations either.
@[Deactivated]: Anaesthetist in Australia… Anaesthesiolgist is American…
Am I annoying you yet?
Also I expect as a doctor, all doctors to be able to know what to do to stabilise a heart attack and the disposition of the patient. I dont expect them to be able to actually do the CAGB or angiogram.
@JDogman: I'm just trying understand why your God complex does not allow you see limits of your knowledge. It's fairly fascinating actually.
@JDogman: Next time you have a heart attack, demand the ED physician to treat you. Maybe even perform open heart surgery, right there, in ER. Good luck.
@[Deactivated]: Yeah you mean a clam shell thoractomy if someone came in with a ventricular laceration post trauma… Yeah the ED physician does do that. So does a trauma surgeon. And a cardiac surgeon…
I'd be cool with the ED docs to do that if there was no one else around.
@[Deactivated]: Why is it that some members of the "professions" talk down to us mere mortals eg; Fauci's recent questioning of Rand Paul?
I've yet to meet a car mechanic who professes they know how to work on an aircraft engine.@alidli: I don't know, it's almost as every MD thinks that he knows absolutely everything and can give advice about any diagnosis. I guess it's part of professional mindset.
@[Deactivated]: It's almost like they don't believe we have the intelligence to do months of our own research from both sides of the debate and form our own opinion about what we will or won't allow to be injected into our own bodies, and should just do it because the politicians say we must or coerce us by no jab-no job ultimatums.
@alidli: When you learn how to do research in a university setting, the more research you do, the more you realise you don't know.
@[Deactivated]: But, you know nothing as well, and yet here you are pretending to expose the “truth”.
I know many doctors that have gone through all that and more (all are specialists actually), but they don’t share your view, is that ok?
There are far far far more who share his/her view. Is that ok?
Amen
Not looking at other comments. My main gripe is it's not applicable to Aussie context
The pandemic of mass formation psychosis 😭#duckduckgo
You know we are heading toward a disaster when a bargain post becomes a political debate (and I’m guessing not many actually have read the book, I haven’t hence the content is not my point).
To cry out for censoring a book that it’s written by a respected writer (well up to this point I guess) whose legacy speaks for itself, published by a reputable publisher and is in Amazon (platform that doesn’t hesitate to completely shutdown “misinformation”), says something. It is really disappointing to see in such a short period of time we have gone down so far that might not be reversible. anyways, I thought the ozbargain had some rules what is a bargain and what can be voted down as not a bargain. peaceAppropriate uses of negative vote:
Issue with productI interpret that as something very different, but fair enough whatever makes you happy.
We're not calling for it to be censored. People are free to read it.
you are not, and I appreciate that. many (up there) asking for it to be removed.
Currently at this moment there are zero negs asking for it be removed. There are quite a few saying it is not a deal, garbage, etc.
@Gehirn: you might be correct and might have been my interpretation of what they said. don’t want to go back and read all of them. as long as we are not calling for censorship, it is what it is. I disagree with bot having read it and calling it “misinformation” though, cause that assumes every book has to be 100% accurate when in reality there is no such a thing. thanks for the reply
Fauci needs to correct his vocal voice. I hardly can hear what he is mumbling.
You live in 'straya. Don't you forget that.
If it makes you feel better, they need subtitles for us as well.
Well now it's unanimous that Covid was a hoax #FireFauci
Sauce?
Amazon.com.au
Fauci: ‘I Represent Science…
March 8, 2020 - Fauci: “There’s no reason to be walking around with a mask…
March 31, 2020 Fauci: “Because if, in fact, a person who may or may not be infected wants to prevent infecting somebody else, the best way to do that is with a mask….
Are we not allowed to change our minds on something as more evidence comes to light?
It depends when you change your mind are you going to contradict Fauci or not?
I have no idea what that means but Its well established that masks help stop the spread of the virus
@Ghos7: 5/5. EZPZ.
Mate, we're not American. They're a collection of cherry-picked examples to back a certain point of view. Got anything with a broader data set?
We had people saying the same thing in Australia, after Fauci. Here's Nick Coatsworth, Deputy Chief Medical Officer, saying it's not airborne in May 2020.
What's your point?
The stupid. it burns.
Paying for a discounted grift is still not a bargain.Misinformation.
Remember doctors dancing and empty hospital beds ?
Do you think the government has people welfare on its mind?
Misinformation.
Is that really relevant in au context? Maybe the real scomo or the real murdoch
Dangerous misinformation.
imagine buying propaganda
*pays for Netflix
Commenting to neg for misinformation
How anyone can think that it's acceptable to write a book slandering a Doctor is beyond me.
So, when can I expect the $2.99 to be deposited into my account for getting this book?
This is going to lead to more deaths..
OK, I'll bite. How will exposing the lies of Feltchy cause more deaths?
Thanks OP
Crap
This website is quickly becoming a political boxing ring
Alternative views are sadly being misrepresented as Misinformation.
You can get the real peer reviewed science at the High Wire by Del Bigtree. No BS.
My guess is most people here haven't actually looked at the science before taking the vaccine, which isn't a vaccine because it does not stop transmission. The fact that it does not stop transmission means herd immunity cannot be met by vaccinating 100% of the world's population.
Learn the facts, open your mind. Furthermore, if something does go seriously wrong with the long term side effects. You do not want 100% of the population vaccinated as we will become dinosaurs if the bad effects are delayed. Who is right or wrong does not matter, but people here need to look at the tail risks. Where are all the statisticians on ozbargain calling out the Pfizer studies?
What happened to looking at the real science? I guess that disappeared once we started to accept the methodology of virology as God, especially when humans are prone to error.
and now they're talking about mandating covid vaccines on kids :|
You know that hospitalisation rates are 10x higher for unvaccinated people? That statistic has been seen in every country I have looked: UK, USA, Australia, Israel. So, the vaccines do work from that point of view. The anti-vax crowd still doesn't have a valid alternative strategy to keep society functioning. Some claim Ivermectin works but there are no Phase 3 clinical trials - there is also no long term safety data for Ivermectin at the numbers and sizes of dosages purported for COVID treatment, so we are in the same boat vis-a-vis vaccines there. Yes, look at the science but don't twist it…
Society can function without vaccine mandates just fine. There have been many alternative strategies to keep society functioning - namely in Florida and the Great Barrington Declaration. The issue is that you use the word 'valid' and I think what you really mean is approved by the technocracy.
If Florida is doing well enough for AOC to holiday there then I guess all her anti-Desantis rhetoric is exposed as pure partisan politics.
Seriously? You’re using Florida as an example.
Desantis is begging Biden for help.
@flashi007: All the sycophants said Florida would be a blood bath when they removed the restrictions and now AOC is holidaying there and they're around middle of the pack for age adjusted deaths. Sorry that facts upset you.
Of the 2016 ppl in hospital in NSW, approx 1389 (68.9%) are double vaccinated, and 627 are unvaccinated.
Of the 170 in ICU, it's about half/half.
Source, (Date of release 12 Jan 2021)
https://aci.health.nsw.gov.au/__data/assets/pdf_file/0007/69…Vaccination does help quite a bit (I'm certainly not denying that), but it's not a silver bullet like some ppl think.
And it's not exclusively the unvaxxed filling all the beds. i.e. It ain't 10x.
LOL.I will use your figures.
In NSW, approx 8 million adults. 95% are vaccinated, so 7.6 million. 1,389 in hospital for COVID. So hospitalisation rate is 1.8 in 10,000.
5% unvaccinated, so 400,000 adults. 627 in hospital, So hospitalisation rate is 15.7 per 10,000.
You are absolutely right, the hospitalisation rate is only 8.7 times higher for unvaccinated, not 10x… My bad.
@seb: Fair enough.
You are assuming that it's only adults in hospital though, with that 95%.
In the pdf, it shows 78.3% of entire NSW population vaccinated.
Shrug. I'm not denying that it's almost all adults in hospital either.
Nor that vaccination doesn't work.
Anyway, in the US it was 3x during delta, per the cdc slidedeck.
Unvaccinated:
2.52/178.6 * 100/1 = 1.411% Hospitalisation
0.96/178.6 * 100/1 = 0.538% DeathsVaccinated:
0.1/21.4 * 100/1 = 0.467% Hospitalisation
0.04/21.4 * 100/1 = 0.187% Deathshttps://context-cdn.washingtonpost.com/notes/prod/default/do…
So it's probably at still near 3x at least.
@metalslaw: Of the 36 deaths today in NSW, 33 were at least double vaccinated. 3 were unvaccinated. 33/36 were over the age of 65 btw. Of the 3 under 65, 1 was double vaxxed, and 2 were unvaxxed. All 3 had 'severe' underlying health conditions (per cho statement).
So it could also be that the unvaccinated are holding on in icu for a lot longer, probably due to being younger of age. Where as the older, go into icu, then pass quickly.
Either way, I'm still not doubting that vaccination is worthwhile for the majority of ppl.
Just that everyone should have the right to choose, and to live with those consequences, whichever way they choose.
@metalslaw: If the consequences mean being more likely to infect others, including ppl who will die, and being more likely to clog up the hospital system, then there is a strong public health policy argument for mandatory or near-mandatiory vaccinations. Or, lockdowns.
Anti-vaxxers have been praying for an alternative like Ivermectin but so far nothing has panned out.
@seb: Being vaccinated or unvaccinated doesn’t alter your chances of infection others.
Its more likely you will infect others if being vaccinated as you might not have symptoms or as harsh symptoms so you continue on your merry way.
@flashi007: How so?
The main reason they say to get vaccinated is it reduces symptoms…so for some it would make them asymptomatic, but still able to spread the virus.
@metalslaw: Also you misread the PDF. It shows a 25-fold difference in hospitalization rates between unvaccinated and vaccinated.
@seb: My hospitalisation stats are based on cases/hospitalisation * 100/1, per group.
Basically, if you get covid, how likely are you to end up in hospital, or dead.
The vax showed a 3 fold reduction btw.
@metalslaw: Also note, I'm not saying you can't get a '25 fold decrease' using RRR.
But the ARR decrease is actually only 0.241% (based on using raw numbers per 100k).
Btw, at the start of the pandemic, the ARR was only around 1% for all the vaccines.
You can get the real peer reviewed science at the High Wire by Del Bigtree. No BS.
Can provide some direct links? I wanna read the exact ones you found.
Highly rated! By such intellectual heavyweights as "Tucker Carlson" and "Maguerite9 - Amazon Customer" XD
and a person who quotes Joseph goebbels, and did not explain how that quote applies to the book
Not a bargain paying $2.99 for anti-vax propaganda
What a load of rubbish. Seriously, people who believe this crap need to stop procreating.
Which bit is not true?
Not a bargain. If I want to read crazy antivax BS I can just follow my weird uncle on Facebook for free
Misinformation is worse than worthless, not a bargain.
Fauci is a criminal
Please elaborate?
Dr. Robert Willner Accuses Dr. Fauci and the NIH of Genocide in 1994
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M_8o8zlbiH0It has happened in the past and it's happening again…
O'Keefe joins Bannon to discuss Veritas #ExposeFauci Bombshell
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c1ioCW3UX2sThis stuff is damning but the TV believers need someone they trust like Chris Cuomo to tell them what they are allowed to think.
Misinformation != bargain
THere's enough Qanon antivaxx rubbish pretending to be information out there for free. Not a bargain.
Funny how you assume you know what's in the book and assume that it's wrong. Maybe you should think about why Obama had an unmasked birthday party, why AOC chose to go to mandate free Florida for a holiday and why Feltchy doesn't wear a mask while in a baseball crowd. These 'true believers' don't act in line with their beliefs but they want you to, and you run interference for their lies. LOL
LOL you Feltchy cultists will do any mental gymnastics to protect your leader.
@Ghos7: I'm all for calling out the hypocrisy of politicians. From a look at photos and reports on the incident, it looks like "feltchy" haters having a tantrum.
I don't know as much about Fauci as I'm not American, something that many of the people commenting here would be wise to remember.
Looking forward to the sequel, the real Dan Andrews.
smh, sadly some people will probably think what's written in this book is real, I wonder if historians will look back at us and laugh at how stupid we were.
LOL you assume you know what's in the book and that it's incorrect. What makes you hallucinate these thoughts?
Historians already look back at people who trusted Feltchy when he said masks were paranoid and useless and then trusted him when he said the opposite was true. Historians are wondering where these people's critical thought has gone.
Name one. Name one historian, commenting on Feltchy or the absence of critical thought.
I've already heard Robert Kennedy Jr's comments I don't need to read his book. Besides the title doesn't coincide with public sentiment, if you write "The real" in front, you're not actually talking about "The real" accepted person in this context, it's not an auto-biography or an approved official biography, so it being "real" is extremely unlikely.
Ah, anyone who has done the slightest bit of research on Feltchy would know that he backtracked on his early claims that masks don't work. There is also footage of him referring to masks as 'paranoid' and not necessary. It sounds like you need approved sources though and don't define historian as someone who is a student of history. Do you need someone that the TV tells you is a historian to say it before you believe it? I imagine you have given up on independent thought all together.
Tom Woods holds a doctorate in History and has spoken about this exact subject. He also has a quiz website that I'm sure a smart person like yourself would ace. Give it a try and let us know how you score https://www.covidchartsquiz.com/ Good luck!
So are you saying that the only way to get the real story about a public figure is to read sources that the subject has either produced themselves or has authorised? I can see a big logic hole in this, can you?
@Ghos7: Our liberal friendly deputy CMO thought the virus wasn't airborne in early 2021.
Lol your stupid test. Knowing the aim of the test makes it easy. Got a broader data set? Or even better, something for Australia?
You live in Australia. Remember?
@ihfree: Of course you are going to come back with non sequiturs and mental gymnastics instead of being convinced by facts.
Par for the course for the Feltchy cultists. Go put your tinfoil mask on.
Lower price, so it's a deal.
I prefer OzOpenMinds to OzClosedMinds.
Both side have some good arguments and both sides have said some really stupid things at times.
Having a different opinion or political view it not a reason to neg.
I prefer OzOpenMinds to OzClosedMinds.
Or even better OzCriticalMind
OpenMind : If it is less than retail prize it is a bargainNNNnnnnnnnnn
CriticalMind : Is it really a bargain and do I need 1000000000 non rechargable battery
Misinformation.
Kindly remove this post.
Which of the ideas in the book scare you the most?
Soooo,, are we buying the book or not? 🤔
2yrs to sort this shit out and still in the same boat as before. In 2 yrs, hospital system should have been beefed up with significantly more ICU beds, more nurses, more doctors (we went the other way, stood down nurses and doctors). Instead wasted $ on vaccines that don't work. Other therapeutics could have been trialed and used.
I clearly remember in the early days if you take the jab the likelihood of dying or hospitalization is no existent. My father in law, dead. Double vaxxed.The conversation needs to move away from vaxxed and unvaxxed to have covid or dont have covid. Finger pointing at the unvaxxed is just a load of crap.
Sorry to hear that.
The numbers speak for themselves - the vaccines do work. We'd be in a much worse situation without the vaccines. The unvaccinated make up 50% of the ICU but are 5% of the population
According to that data, 2,030 COVID-19 patients were hospitalized in New South Wales. Of those patients, 28.8% were unvaccinated and 68.9% were fully vaccinated.
Oh really? lol
Once again, 5-10% of the population are unvaccinated, yet they make up 28.8% of the hospitalised patients.
@ihfree: vs. 70%…….
We're quick to hear that the vaccinated in ICU / Hospital have pre-existing conditions. But you never hear that some of the unvaccinated might be in their for the same reasons, have pre-existing conditions, but oh wait, they're not vaccinated so lets make sure we just point out that bit.
@Danstar: 70% from 90-95% of the population vs 30% from 5-10% of the population.
And a higher chance of severe infection - the unvaccinated make up 50% of the ICU but are 5% of the population.
@ihfree: What if those in ICU are in their for other conditions? OR were unable to receive the vaccine due to medical reasons ?
You won't hear about that in the MSM or from the GovernmentWhat if those in ICU are in their for other conditions?
It's known that COVID does lead to worse outcomes for other conditions, so that line is blurred anyway. Ultimately, I think this is subject to the doctor's opinion.
OR were unable to receive the vaccine due to medical reasons ?
I guess that highlights the benefit of the vaccine and other preventative measures that were taken.
You won't hear about that in the MSM or from the Government
There are plenty of studies to read through depending on how much you care about the topic. A lot of the data is public. From your other comment, MSM is for profit and does see a benefit using any issues and taking a more emotive stance to sell advertising or drive political/corporate interests. One could argue that's a good case for a properly independent public broadcaster.
@Ghos7: How's that a backpedal?
Worse outcomes due to Covid… There are numerous articles on the topic which say that it's not always straightforward. Maybe line is blurred is bad use of language.Here's an https://theconversation.com/died-from-or-died-with-covid-19-…
Example on worse outcomes:
https://medicine.yale.edu/news-article/covid-positive-ankle-…
Trash. Save your money for RATs.
Lol, what are they gonna do?
Lol yeah, apparently if you catch one of the most deadly diseases ever you need a test to tell if you have it.
And if you do have, you basically just go home and wait until it goes away.
I still don’t get why so many people are in a rush to see if theyre positive or not.
Well actually I do. Fear.
@Ughhh: How?
Try this for a second. Think of life 2+ years ago and you or someone you love (partner, child, etc.) come down with covid like symptoms.
What would you do? Really try hard to disregard everything your mind has been built up to believe now.
I’ll tell you what you’ll do. You’d keep them home, make them tea, give panadol, etc. in a few days they’ll be right.
I admit, even my mind starts to be influenced by all the garbage we’ve been fed in the last 2 years when one of my loved ones have been sick and I have to tell myself “no”. Common sense needs to prevail.
Not a Deal. The same "information" can be had for free on hundreds of websites. I won't bother linking them as I am sure those who might give money to Mr Kennedy already have those sites bookmarked.
I was hesitant to get this book but after seeing what Dr Malone has to say I have purchased it. If you dont know who Dr Malone is then search for him on the Joe Rogan podcast
“I thought I understood what was going on from an insider POV. But this is mind-blowing. Anthony Fauci is playing precisely the strategy that he developed and tested during the HIV days. Bobby is on fire in this manuscript. The depth of information and facts, all carefully cited, is mind-blowing. It is a must-read. I think it will really help clarify what has been going down here. Thanks to the consistently dysfunctional COVID-19 response by Fauci and USG/HHS (US Government Health and Human Services Department), we have all become familiar with the terms "regulatory capture" and "Noble Lie." The personal opinion and bias of Dr. Fauci has been repeatedly substituted for evidence-based medicine, and we are all living with the consequences. But beyond this mundane incompetence, what this book clearly documents are the deeper forces and systemic, pervasive governmental corruption, which have led us to this point. Not since the reign of former FBI director J. Edgar Hoover, have we seen such empire building by a corrupt, longstanding federal employee who is long past retirement age. Dr. Fauci's apparent need to bolster a fragile ego has led to the almost complete systemic corruption of not only US HHS, but the entire world public health system. The consequences will be lasting damage to the reputation of the United States of America, US FDA, and US CDC as honest, independent guardians of public health, which has been carefully nurtured over many decades. The world is now able to clearly see that the US HHS has been captured and compromised by commercial interests. One unintended consequence of allowing and enabling this tragedy will be further erosion in domestic trust in the Public Health System, and in particular, in the entire vaccine enterprise. Global impacts are likely to include accelerating loss of trust in US and western pharmaceutical companies and regulators, and more rapid rise of Asian, Indian, and Middle Eastern pharmaceutical competitors."
—Robert W. Malone, MD, virologist, immunologist, molecular biologistyeah, the same platforms that hid the Hunter Biden laptop and the lab leak theory as well as pushing the fine people hoax and the drinking bleach hoax.
US HHS has been captured and compromised by commercial interests.
US pharma companies have control of US health policy. And how are they using that control?
accelerating loss of trust in US and western pharmaceutical companies
Smart!
Why would they care about loss of trust when government bullies people into using their product and bans cheaper competition drugs?
Great, thanks OP. Looks like a lot of people are kvetching about a book they haven't read. Probably the same people who would trust Feltchy babysitting their dog.
There is no way all the negs have read this so they are just puppets.
There is no way all the positives have read this so they are just puppets.
it's a bargain lol. Upvotes don't mean they believe everything in the book, it means they're not scared of examining ideas. Almost all the neg votes are people kvetching about misinformation because the TV and tech corporations told them this guy was bad. LOL you're a caricature of yourself.
How is it a bargain when all the "information" is for free on the interweb anyway?
@seb: LOL you can't think of any reason?
You really do outsource all of your thinking to the TV don't you.
The positive voters aren't the ones making accusation about the book's content and accuracy
The rightwingers always seem to use “real” in the titles of their books. They wouldn’t know “real” if it hit them in the arse. The joke being that is, exactly, what Covid is doing. You are, much, more likely to end up in hospital if you aren’t vaccinated than if you are. Apparently these idiots don’t understand statistics either.
real, patriot, united, freedom
those are the words to look out for.AOC went for a holiday in the free state of Florida because she thought it was safe. Obama had a huge unmasked birthday party. They don't even believe in the restrictions they are putting on you but you can't bring yourself to see that. LOL
Everyone is entitled to their opinion but I suspect that with so many Anti-vax Personalities dying in ICU, and regretting not taking the vaccine, we need to acknowledge that the data is clear that you are better off with it than without it. Also keep in mind that considering the high vaccination rate in Australia, comparing vaccines patients to non is simply skewed.
Why is Tucker and his mates all vaccinated - including Ted Cruz? They rely on milking the uninformed, that's why.
And this grift might be coming back to bite them at the next election.
"Former New York Times journalist Donald G. McNeil Jr. wrote an article on Medium that stated what everyone with an ounce of intelligence knows but don’t dare put in print: Not only is Trump losing hundreds of voters each day to COVID, they are already surpassing the margins the GOP can hope to attain in the swing states. This hasn’t been printed because it’s ghoulish to post the political ramifications of a human life, to which I reply that Democrats aren’t the ones killing these people—their own right-wing disinformation machine is. Hell, we are trying to save them despite the political ramifications.
Trumpists don’t believe in wearing masks, hate social distancing, and are so anti-vaxx that they won’t even listen to Trump as he tried to tout the vaccines. GOP leaders are also undermining public health directives aimed at protecting people. Trump did have a change of heart about promoting the vaccines only because someone impressed upon him that the deaths are his voters. He really needs as many as possible in 2024, but it’s too late—and getting worse.
Multiple studies from the AP, CDC, and even Texas’ health services have shown that the deaths are almost entirely among the unvaccinated, and most of those identify as Republican. The profile of a typical COVID victim is now an older unvaccinated person who is obese and lives in a rural area—in other words, the same profile as a Trumper. This is already having a major poltiical impact."
https://www.dailykos.com/stories/2022/1/15/2074895/-Journali…
You mean like the 33 fully vaccinated who died in NSW out of a total of 36 yesterday? You people are delusional
Fat people and those with cancer and getting vaccinated. The vax didnt cause them to die, it just made it easier.
You live in Australia.
Which is even worst.
Even worst than what?
I heard Facui tortures and kill dogs for fun.
Is that true and in the book?
True but for "scientific experiments" not for fun
I am most saddened by the fact that there are people in healthcare who have been so stressed, overworked and traumatizes for the last 2 years.
some, to the point of taking their own lives. One such life lost is too many.They are working their normal jobs and through no fault of theirs and compounded by their empathy, they have become victims. I do not need to argue statistics about advocacy of vaccine, percentages of vaccinated patients. The end result is irrefutable. Hospitals around the world are not idle, have not been idling for the last 24 months.
I have my rights. You have yours. Healthcare workers have rights too. They have a right to safe work environment. I do not want someone to come to my place of work and cause me unnecessary inconvenience. I do not do it to them.
A lot of the reason why they're overworked were (are) because of the stupid restrictions on close contacts
and your suggestion is?
Don’t mandate the vaccine, which would mean a large chunk of workers wouldn’t have had to quit / be fired.
Increase funding in the health sector, in particular nursing. We’ve had 2 years to do this; I can’t think of anything being done to boost nurse numbers.
There was a good idea to boost doctors in regional areas by paying off their uni debt if they decide to live in regional areas post studies.
Stop promoting fear in regards to covid. Either from the media or daily government updates that always sound doom and gloom or how bad people are.
That’s a few ideas I just thought of off the top of my head. I’m sure the higher ups could
Muster up something better considering the wages they get paid.
Sadly the vaccine mandates in Australia have also caused people to take their own lives, as people face losing jobs for not wanting a medication.
The mandates are contributing to the staffing issues in hospitals and medical centres as well. We have thousands of experienced, skilled nurses and doctors in our communities across Australia that are healthy and want to work, but are being prevented from doing so.
While Australian medical professionals are unfortunately already under mandates, here's one doctor in the UK who spoke up when asked the question by their health secretary: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hOlEYcd1nyI
And here's a local example of a QLD doctor who wrote an excellent letter to the state health minister sharing his views after being forced to retire early:
https://cmnnews.org/story/letter-from-a-doctor-to-a-health-m…Have you read up on symptoms of omricron by any chance? They look awful lot a like cold that we experience every year.
Yeah, those tiktok videos don't make themselves!
too much to pay for misinformation. can get the same quality of argument from a ranting stranger for free.
as valuable as the dollar reiki books you get in a suburbian garage sale
S*** reading material.
LOL you Feltchy cult members are very upset and you haven't even read the book yet
You can pay me $2.98 to misinform you with anti-vax lies, therefore not a deal.
the book is about Feltchy so I'm not sure why you're kvetching about a vaccine.
So many anti vaxxers here to block
Would a shared block list go against rules?
It would make deals on RATs, electric cars, masks, free native plants a lot more tolerable.
😂
You only hide them for yourself…
Thanks Captain Obvious
@ihfree: Then why you asking talking about a shared block list? lol
Just go start hiding comments from users you don't like.
Overpriced even at discount.
It is basically just lies. I get lies every day on social media, and why actively pay for it?
LOL "everything idea I don't like is a lie"
You haven't even read the book, you automatron.
blatant misinformation is already free online
It's astounding how polarised people are on current topics, usually depending on where they get their information from. A lot is being censored too - epecially since the 'Trusted News Initiative' was set up in 2020 - have a look at the media and tech companies who are part of that.
Here is a fascinating conversation on a recent podcast for anyone who is interested in some additional thoughts:
Paul Kingsnorth sees the vaccine wars as symptomatic of a bigger division between two fundamentally different world views: he calls them “thesis” and “antithesis.” … over the last few months, his perspective changed.
YouTube link: https://youtu.be/N_uAwsVn10Y (34 mins)And another interesting take:
You’re struggling to understand why some people are vaccine hesitant, TRIGGERnometry co-host Konstantin Kisin explains.
YouTube link: https://youtu.be/J0ZY3VWYKzQI can definitely understand people's reasons for whatever decisions they have made to this point, and make in the future.
Writing off people with quick labels is not helpful.
For instance, I've met many nurses, doctors and other professionals who are not "anti-vax" and have had other shots. They are hesitant about this particular jab though for a variety of reasons and/or for effects they have seen since it's been out. It is a big decision to walk away from a job that they love - not something they take lightly.
And some friends have only taken the jabs due to the coercion to keep their jobs, or get back certain freedoms that unvaxed have lost. It really is sad to see the division and segregation that has been brought into some parts of Australia - a two-class society.
I'd encourage you to remember that everyone is a human, and try and understand that they may have many reasons for holding different convictions and points of view to you. Let's remember to respect each other - even from behind anonymous avatars - and let love for one another prevail over fear! :-)
Worthless
Garbage book and on sale for a reason. Misinformation at best.