Hyundai Ioniq 5 or Tesla Model 3?

LNormalGoat on 31/12/2021 - 11:38
Last edited 31/12/2021 - 12:06 by 1 other user

Hopping onto the EV train and need some advice on which car to get. I am a fan of Hyundai cars and how far they have come, even the family has stopped buying Japanese cars because of how good value for money and quality Korean cars are these days. The V2L capability is a bonus though I don’t think it is really a major factor.

Tesla looks to be more future thinking in terms of its autonomous driving and multimedia system. Quality has been an issue from what I’ve heard and seen, has anyone experienced different with their recent deliveries?

Let me know what you think by voting in the poll and/or commenting. I really am indecisive and don’t have a gut feeling towards either one lol.

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    Hyundai Ioniq 5
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    Tesla Model 3
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Comments

      • [Deactivated] on 03/01/2022 - 11:01

        Bjorn Nylands tests showed the Ioniq 5 has less range than the MIC Model 3 SR+. The real world range of the Ioniq 5 has shown to be disappointing across many tests.

        • flametornado on 03/01/2022 - 11:43

          Form https://drive.google.com/drive/folders/1HOwktdiZmm40atGPwymz….

          Ioniq 5 has 461km at 90kph, 289 at 120 kph
          M3 mic has 408km at 90kph, 300 at 120 kph.

          That's a fair bit better at real world speeds, and a little bit worse at high speeds.

          Ioniq5 also charges faster than the M3, which puts it within error rate if you're actually doing a road trip.

          The ioniq5 is a mid size SUV, M3 is a sedan, there are definitely going to be aero differences, but I wouldn't say the range on either is bad.

          • [Deactivated] on 03/01/2022 - 12:11

            @flametornado: I'm afraid you're not looking at the latest summer data. The M3 MIC id 443km at 90kmh and 313km at 120kmh. The version Bjorn tested of the Ioniq 5 was the AWD version which is $75k+ on road costs, which works out to about $80k on the road here, more expensive than the Model 3 LR. The Model 3 LR has a range of 563km at 90kmh and 422km at 120kmh. More importantly, the MIC Model 3 SR+ did the 1000km challenge in 9:55 while the supposedly faster charging Ioniq 5 did the same challenge in 10:00hrs. The similarly priced Model 3 LR did it in 9:20 and blew them both out of the water (because it charges faster and has a longer range). The only place the Ioniq charges faster than the Model 3 LR is on Hyundai marketing department advertisement. Real world charging speed isn't even close to the claims.

            And it is a huge stretch to call the Ioniq 5 an SUV. It's really a large hatchback. It doesn't have the raised ride height or the form factor of an SUV.

    • [Deactivated] on 04/01/2022 - 02:25

      The Tesla is a sedan, the Ioniq 5 is an SUV. I’d hope the sedan performs better. It’s really competing against the Y or X.

      We don’t get incentives here so…

  • [Deactivated] on 31/12/2021 - 13:45
    +3

    OP have had perfect reliability across 3 Teslas. Never broken down, never been stranded. New ones are better built than old (2017) one.

  • ECE on 31/12/2021 - 16:24
    +6

    Tesla 💪🏿

  • meowsers on 31/12/2021 - 17:20
    +14

    Tesla. Resale value, proven battery technology.

    Yeah you get the wank factor but they are good at what they do. And before spackbase comes along I don't even own a Tesla anymore…

  • CheapSticks on 31/12/2021 - 18:11
    +6

    SR+ is way superior better value for money, tech, range and back for buck. Tesla superchargers on highway are pretty good if you do long road trips between metros.

  • goegge on 31/12/2021 - 18:58
    -1

    Ask this guy what he thinks of Tesla. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U5NSvFU7raw

  • CheapSticks on 31/12/2021 - 18:58
    +6

    Model 3 best value EV

    https://www.tesmanian.com/blogs/tesmanian-blog/tesla-model-3…

  • meowsers on 31/12/2021 - 22:12
    +2

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_oSIXCAsFTA&ab_channel=HighM…

    Tesla with 683,525km reviewed. (Model S)

  • TruthNuke on 01/01/2022 - 10:14
    +1

    The one that isn't an SUV

  • Thinkscape on 01/01/2022 - 10:25
    +12

    Use something like https://www.evee.com.au/ to rent a 2021 Model 3 for a weekend. Try to get a demo for the Ioniq. One is a SUV, the other is a sporty sedan car. Ignore the limitless Tesla FUD and misinformation of public forums like ozb from people who never sat in one, and compare them for your use case.
    Something that is harder to evaluate with short term rental is the long term quality. For that I recommend long term reviews on YouTube and the Aussie Facebook groups for Model 3 owners (the 5 is quite new so hard to say yet, but the 3 is tested and proven across everything from head on collisions to paint and minor quality gripes)

  • techinoz on 01/01/2022 - 14:43
    +5

    If I were you I wouldn't rush into anything and as others have said do your research, test drive different models, use evee.com.au to hire a car for a weekend. Try and gauge what matters most to YOU and what car is the best. Its a lot of money and you should aim to keep it for a long time, so you want to be sure of your choice. Consider other models as well e.g. Polestar 2, Ford Mach E, MG etc.

    For context I've owned a Tesla Model 3 SR+ for ~2 years now and am about to put it up for sale. Will be test driving the Polestar 2 next week and if that isn't to my liking I'll buy a cheap used ICE car until more EV options are available in a few years. Tesla Model 3 is a fun car but build quality is crap, customer service not much better, and I don't want to be holding it when the warranty runs out in a few years.

    Regarding two areas you mentioned specifically re: Tesla:
    - Autonomous driving: don't be fooled by the hype and do not pay $10k for full self driving. This is many years away from reality and likely not possible on the current camera/processor hardware. It also ruins the car in its current form (search Tesla phantom braking when makes using basic cruise control impossible).
    - Multimedia system: Tesla's integrated system is good and buttery smooth buts its very limited in what apps you can use. In my opinion CarPlay/Android Auto is much much better and I've missed it these past 2 years. Apple/Google maps and navigation is much better than Tesla's, you can use any music/podcast app you choose, plus a number of other apps e.g. Teams/Zoom, audiobooks etc.

    • chuq on 03/01/2022 - 12:12

      Ford Mach E

      Ford aren't selling these or any EVs in Australia unfortunately.

  • drprox on 01/01/2022 - 17:37

    neither, get a Polestar

    • MrThing on 01/01/2022 - 21:52
      +2

      neither, get a Rivian

      • gimli on 01/01/2022 - 22:03
        +4

        neither, get a Camry

      • drprox on 02/01/2022 - 07:46

        They'll never make it here :(

  • MrBillions on 02/01/2022 - 07:13
    +1

    Tesla for sure.
    Anyone know what the release date for the model Y is and what prices we can expect?

  • Mumbles on 02/01/2022 - 11:07
    +3

    I say don't buy based on online recommendations. Test drive them both before making a decision. Future thinking, self driving, multimedia systems are not the primary priorities of a car. In Australia the highest selling manufacturer of cars is Toyota and they are the slowest when it comes to latest technology and gadgets. Toyota was the last to include Android Auto into their multimedia system. What they do well is value for money, reliability, after sales support, widest dealership network, resale value.

    Self driving is waaaaay off into the future. Do some quick research and there are "stages" of autonomous driving laws. Australia doesn't even have one truck or a pilot/test freeway lane let alone any plans for a city.

    If future tech and hype are what you are into then join the fan boi car clubs and EV lobbying groups.

  • ass3ts on 02/01/2022 - 11:45
    +5

    Owner of multiple Teslas here, if you're not getting the Performance model and you don't really venture out of metro areas, pick the Hyundai IONIQ 5.

    • CheapSticks on 02/01/2022 - 11:49
      +1

      @ass3ts Y not SR+ over Ioniq5 given you hv had multiple tesla

      • ass3ts on 02/01/2022 - 11:53
        -2

        I won't discuss my Tesla issues on public forums given that I still need their support and I can't currently go to anyone else in Australia :)

        • CheapSticks on 02/01/2022 - 13:07
          +4

          But you kept on buying multiple of them?

        • djmm on 02/01/2022 - 13:46
          +3

          Lol what a perfect customer

  • MickE on 02/01/2022 - 11:48
    +4

    Kia ev6

  • Toothfairy0412 on 02/01/2022 - 13:01
    +2

    polestar 2

    • tomoliveri on 02/01/2022 - 15:19

      Again, if you can get them, and they miss out on the charging network.

      • [Deactivated] on 04/01/2022 - 02:30
        +1

        If you’re regularly using the charging network a combustion car is still better. If you have no plans to use it at all it doesn’t matter. It’s a rare customer who needs it just enough to make sense.

    • berger on 02/01/2022 - 18:24

      A friend test drive a Polestar today and said great things. Specced up it’s just under $100k. Charging network is a big let down as the Polestar could be a game changer.

  • tomoliveri on 02/01/2022 - 15:14
    +9

    I just got a Tesla Model 3 LR and am currently road tripping with it.

    Without the Tesla Supercharger network, this trip simply wouldn’t have been feasible. Until superchargers are opened up to all car manufacturers, you’re going to have a hard time getting around.

    At-home charging is around 10km of range per hour.
    Superchargers add up to 120km range in 5 minutes, and you’ll be at 100% in an hour.

    The Hyundai Iconic is a brilliant car, but the charging networks just aren’t ready yet.

    The quality of the build was 100% perfect, not a single panel out of alignment, everything feels sturdy, high quality and as if it will last.

    The Tesla quality issues are from YEARS ago at the US factory, the made in China Teslas are nothing short of perfect.

    Full Self Driving is still a long way from becoming reality & autopilot has some phantom braking and steering issues that have almost taken me off the road. Hoping for major improvements in the may update.

    • pompompom on 04/01/2022 - 21:24
      -1

      Is the build quality better than Haval ? Alot of Haval owners think it's nothing short of perfect as well.

    • jimbo jones on 06/01/2022 - 17:22

      How much safety can you get out of autopilot.

      My wife is getting tired of shuttling her mum around.

      Want to buy a Tesla 3 and let MIL drive herself. As long it keeps on the correct side of the road and doesn't crash into things, it would be big improvement on the in-law's driving…

      I've seen youtubes of people sitting the back, etc. Don't know how realistic that is unless you program exactly where you want to go and it knows the nooks and crannies of shopping centre car parks, etc.

      Had a driver in Indonesia, etc and gotten used to being picked up and hail the driver an wait for them to turn up….

      • Euphemistic on 06/01/2022 - 18:30

        Had a driver in Indonesia, etc and gotten used to being picked up and hail the driver an wait for them to turn up….

        That’s a better option than getting a new car and waiting for auto driving. Find yourself a good Uber driver or 3 and keep using them.

  • nomadspartan on 02/01/2022 - 15:43
    +1

    Better navigation experience with Tesla, it automatically includes charging stops on your route.

  • dreamscene on 02/01/2022 - 20:06
    -1

    EV's will come out of Beta in another 5 years. Get a hybrid. For $80k, a top of the range Toyota Kluger SUV 7 Seater Hybrid will sip ~5L per 100km. Over 1000km range. For a giant luxury SUV, that's nuts and cheap to service, insure and repair. If you do sub 250km a week, you fill up once a month.

  • pompompom on 02/01/2022 - 21:08
    +1

    Ionic 5 is a much better looking car.
    Teslas are ugly and I wouldn't support a douche like Elon. Tesla also has a huge fanboy following and you will find all fanboys suggesting you buy one.

    • popcornready on 03/01/2022 - 09:56
      +2

      So you support all over car company/manufacturers CEO’s?

    • lachhelix on 04/01/2022 - 01:32
      +1

      I half agree with you there - I think the Model S looks quite nice but the 3 looks like a melted shoe

  • flametornado on 02/01/2022 - 21:32
    +4

    I have an ioniq 5 and have rented out the model 3 before it to see if we wanted that. They are both great cars, we chose the ioniq 5 because it suited us better. That being said, good luck getting your hands on one.

    I'm also happy to answer any questions you have about it.

    I would say you should add the polestar 2 to your list as it's another great ev, and in a similar price range.

    • CheapSticks on 02/01/2022 - 21:44

      Wud you mind sharing why you preferred ioniq 5 over model3?

      • Mysterious Laptop on 02/01/2022 - 23:22

        Seems they said the Ioniq 5 suited 'us' better. So I'm going to assume the size. It's actually quite a decently sized car, definitely bigger than a Model 3 on the inside, pictures are deceiving.

      • flametornado on 03/01/2022 - 06:32
        +3

        Size wise they're fairly similar, but the tiny boot hatch on the model 3 sucked and we have 2 small kids. We could barely fit the pram through the hatch. Once in there was plenty of room, but it was a bit of a fight getting it in. And even then, getting things out of the boot is much more of a hassle than with the ioniq 5.

        Then there were a bunch of small issues we had with it like the door releases on the inside being buttons rather than regular latches, the windows bring under the trim and needing to be pulled down if you want to open the door (which sounds like an accident waiting to happen). We weren't a fan of the single tablet design or where the speedo was.

        We also just liked the way the ioniq 5 looked better, and we also thought we would avoid the Tesla hate.

        That being said, the ioniq 5 isn't perfect and also has its own downsides like no it's updates, no app, no self driving.

        • CheapSticks on 03/01/2022 - 10:25
          +1

          thank you. does seem that Ioniq suited u better but reading your note - its Model 3 for me.

        • [Deactivated] on 03/01/2022 - 12:52

          Hold on, no app? In 2022?

          • flametornado on 03/01/2022 - 13:47
            +2

            @[Deactivated]: The app exists, it's live in a lot of other regions, just not Australia. No idea why, but it doesn't exist.

            I was originally pretty unhappy with this, but I barely used it, and most of the time it was to unlock the car because I was too lazy to go get the keys from the house.

  • serpserpserp on 03/01/2022 - 08:22
    +3

    What about the Kia EV6 or whatever it is called?

  • Frozensage on 03/01/2022 - 09:49
    +1

    Tesla is like the apple of cars, just Wait for the android version where you can Install your own add ons and back the top speed etc for free.

    • RedSky1 on 03/01/2022 - 11:01
      +6

      Yeah Tesla seems to treat it's customers with some contempt i.e you will take what we give you and like it (Apple like) and has the crazed fanboys but beyond that currently the Tesla Model 3 is:
      The most user customisable EV (yeah it could be better but it still beats most)
      Best bang-for-buck medium-long range EV currently
      Most capable EV (performance wise)
      Most efficient medium-long range EV
      Most supported EV with the most frequent updates and new features
      Most supported third party tools/plugins/app integration.
      Supports nearly all chargers and thus not only has a private charging network but can be used on most EV chargers in Australia.

      I don't think these are Apple traits generally. Not saying someone can't come along and be the Google and one up them in a lot of these areas, i'm just saying that right now they are possibly more in the Google camp than Apple

  • bmxr on 03/01/2022 - 10:38

    List of all new EVs coming to the Australian market this year:

    https://www.drive.com.au/news/electric-vehicles-due-in-austr…

    • pn09 on 03/01/2022 - 12:06
      +4

      Yep - a lot coming out in the next few years. Unless you really need an EV now you will likely have a lot more choice soon. Plus hopefully the whole chip shortage thing will end in the next few years.

      When we get our next car we will likely favour an EV (we have 2 hatchbacks currently and they meet our needs fine) - a hot hatch and a warm hatch, and as much as I'd love to get a first generation facelift C63 I figure practicality will override it.

      Looking forward to what the EV market is like in the next 2+ years. I think Tesla have done a hell of a job with making non-ICE vehicles more attractive and achievable (I remember when the Prius came out and I wondered if they'd intentionally made it look ugly) - but unlike the Apple/Android situation there are a lot more vested interests in cars and the other players are getting going (admittedly playing catch-up).

      But from a consumer perspective competition is good and hopefully they will keep pushing boundaries of non-ICE and we will be the ultimate winners.

  • chuq on 03/01/2022 - 12:10
    +6

    There are currently more votes for Hyundai Ioniq 5 than there are Ioniq 5's in the country.

  • luvyrselfish on 03/01/2022 - 12:16

    Does anyone use an EV on an irregular basis? How to manage charging? Heard the story about leaving Tesla in the airport parking, then won't be able to use it on the way back a week later.

    Haven't been commuting to work every day since the start of Covid-19. My concern of model 3 is about charging irregularly, as we've already got a hybrid SUV(don't intend to replace it with an EV, and it's more comfortable for young children to travel to school). If I want to get a model 3 for my own use (trips without kids), which would likely to be irregular, would battery/charging sustain the pattern? Any tips on organising charger in one's own garage?

    • [Deactivated] on 03/01/2022 - 12:50

      Yes, you plug the car into your own garage when it needs charge. I charge once a week.

  • Windows98 on 03/01/2022 - 12:44
    +4

    I've put the same question for my next car purchase and decided on the model 3 or wait to see what the model 2 will be like.

    Even though I prefer the look of the ioniq 5 and the ev6 better.
    Imo the tesla brand wins because:

    • Tesla have been doing ev and batteries for longer so I have a better peace of mind when it comes to battery tech and longevity
    • If I was to go for a tesla I would get the FSD package because it's amazing and currently the best ADAS available with continuous updates. Where other brands will have basic self driving features and would force you to buy a new car to get any updated features.
    • The supercharger network was a smart move to set up by Tesla and is the main reason people are choosing a car.
    • Tesla's brand helps bump up the resale value when it comes time to selling. It will be much easier to sell and at a better price compared to other brands.
    • [Deactivated] on 04/01/2022 - 02:40

      The sheer quantity of second hand (and new) teslas and lack of clear model years or third party repair availability hurts resale much more than the brand helps.

      I don’t know where people got this idea that brand saturation helped resale in cars. Typically the most common have the worst resale. Tesla used to have guaranteed resale prices when they were a new / rare car company but they have long since dropped that. Typically big brand cars are ideal to buy second hand because they’ve dropped the most value.

      • Windows98 on 04/01/2022 - 10:15

        I don't think brand saturation was mentioned as a positive thing.

        The only reason there are more tesla EVs on the second hand market is because there are more to buy new. They have been selling them for 10 years now while other brands have been playing catch up.

        Even this thread is proof of that by comparing a car that's been on sale for years vs one that's not even available to buy.

        • [Deactivated] on 04/01/2022 - 16:10

          It’s going to be many years before you can get an Ioniq 5 if you join the waiting list now, but a Model 3 can be yours in a few weeks. You can probably make an instant profit on an Ionic 5 if you had one… not sure how Tesla’s brand is supposed to help with resale enough to offset that. Their reputation for poor repairability is really going to crush that resale and their availability means people aren’t buying secondhand.

          • Logical on 05/01/2022 - 00:56

            @[Deactivated]: current wait time for a Tesla model 3 is around 4 to 5 months…

            • [Deactivated] on 05/01/2022 - 18:24

              @Logical: According to people here the advertised waits are much longer than reality with one poster saying it only took them 3 days to be matched with a cancelled order. Regardless Tesla are still advertising that as weeks, and it was fewer not very long ago. Months is still better than years.

          • [Deactivated] on 05/01/2022 - 12:03

            @[Deactivated]: Second hand Tesla prices are basically new car prices. Some of the SR+ cars are over RRP. Demand is very high, supply is low. In the USA it's way worse, second hand mark ups are massive for near new cars. Probably best to actually spend 5 minutes researching rather than give your opinion as facts.

            • [Deactivated] on 05/01/2022 - 18:44
              -1

              @[Deactivated]: People unsuccessfully trying to advertise their cars for what they paid for them doesn’t constitute a reality for pricing. Just look at all the text in ads price reduced etc etc.

              The current market isn’t typical either, my 20 year old second hand car has doubled in price the last 18 months. The chip shortage will end and prices will tumble. The US prices are higher because the output of the US factory was hit harder than the China factory making cars for Australia.

              I know someone who bought a model 3 a few months ago and only had to wait a fortnight, in this thread people are claiming advertised waits are exaggerated and they’re getting cars in as little as 3 days.

              I checked reality, not sure what you’re counting as research but it’s not going to make a difference as to what you can sell a widely available car for.

              • [Deactivated] on 05/01/2022 - 18:45

                @[Deactivated]: Cool made up stories. I like them too.

      • hothed on 04/01/2022 - 11:22

        "Typically the most common have the worst resale."
        Massively incorrect.

        What is the resale of the best selling vehicles in Australia, the Hilux or the Ranger. The resale value is amazing.

        What is the resale value of a peugeot or citreon? In the dumps.

        • [Deactivated] on 04/01/2022 - 16:05

          Yeah it’s definitely reasonable to compare a model of commercial vehicle to a whole vehicle brand. Try the most popular sedan (Toyota Camry) vs a Camry.

          Even a Citroen likely holds its value better than a Corolla.

  • Bid Sniper on 03/01/2022 - 13:54
    +1

    Kia EV6

  • JackFrost on 03/01/2022 - 15:18
    +7

    Other than being EVs they're not really comparable vehicles. The Model 3 has the cheapest entry point if that is what you are after ($68K~ driveaway, not including state subsidies) whereas the base Ioniq 5 is more expensive at roughly ($76K~ driveaway, not including state subsidies). But honestly, they're in different categories.

    The M3 is a medium-sized sedan with a large boot. The Ioniq 5 is an SUV crossover with tons of interior cabin room and tiny rear cargo space (and no front storage). It is bigger and rides higher, but this is true with all crossover-sized vehicles. The Ioniq is deceptive when it comes to size as it looks like a VW Golf equivalent in photos but is in fact much larger in person. The cabin finish is great and more of a hybrid from traditional auto and the Teslas minimalist interior. It does have lots of nice to have luxuries which are cool, including the glass roof sunshade, which helps the car from getting too hot (particularly in Australia) as well as many other neat features.

    The Tesla is simple and clean and for some people oversimplified so if you prefer cars with all the buttons and switches then the Ioniq is for you. The M3 build quality might be not as good too, although the Shanghai-built cars seem to be the best in the world right now. You also have access to superchargers which is ever-expanding (might charge others soon) and I would say a more refined experience when it comes to minimising range anxiety and easing the transition from fossil fuels. The M3 also offers considerably more range which may be the biggest difference. Even the base model has 490km~ and if you're prepared to pay even closer to Ioniq prices with the M3 LR model it's quoted at 614km vs the maximum range of 450km in the RWD Ioniq.

    The acceleration is great and it's very quiet in both cars. We compared the Kona to the Ioniq and it is night and day. Although the Kona has considerably more range and is cheaper than the Ioniq, the cabin space, interior quality, and the room, particularly in the rear seats make it obvious that the Ionic is a luxury, EV from the ground up. The Kona just feels very cheap and extremely crammed in the back by comparison.

    Design is subjective but the Ioniq is a head-turner. It is very different and has lots of nice design details. I love the matrix LED headlamps and taillights. I do find it quite beautiful, although there are a few angles that make it look quite bloated and somewhat ugly. I do also love Tesla's design language and most of their cars are clean and aerodynamic with the modern variants detailed with black trim which I am a sucker for.

    Other than the upcoming EV6 (which from all reports will be an Ioniq clone with a different interior) The Tesla Model Y will definitely be the car to closely compare to the Ioniq 5 (rather than the Model 3) and you can see reviews online doing this, It's tough to get an Ioniq right now and currently impossible to get a Model Y just yet so might be worth waiting to directly compare the two when they are both more readily available. Personally, I still think the Model Y beats the Ioniq on quite a few levels but YMMV and the MY price is yet to be determined locally. That said I would be more than happy owning an Ioniq and I think If you're after a more traditional car experience the Ioniq is the vehicle for you as everything will feel familiar with the added futureproofing under the bonnet :)

    PS Hyundai and Kia are really killing it and I think they will be a big shift in the EV future especially for Australia.

  • reecho on 03/01/2022 - 18:07
    +4

    The Ioniq 5 simply isn't available. I know. I tried.

    • [Deactivated] on 04/01/2022 - 02:41

      10,000 person waiting list for 200 cars a year.

  • jaimex2 on 03/01/2022 - 20:39
    +4

    The model 3's drive train and tech is miles ahead of the Ioniq.

    Its cool to hate Tesla though.

    • [Deactivated] on 04/01/2022 - 02:42
      -6

      The drive train on the Ioniq is miles behind, the drive train on the Ioniq 5 is newer. The tech on the Ioniq 5 includes things like CarPlay etc unavailable on the Tesla still.

      If you want self crashing the Model 3 is the way to go.

  • LoserScott on 03/01/2022 - 20:57
    +1

    Neither just walk

  • CuteWittleCorgi on 04/01/2022 - 00:04
    +2

    Tesla. Does Hyundai have their own charging network?

    Was on a roadtrip in the Great Ocean Road a couple of weeks ago in a Tesla, and was pleasantly surprised to find Tesla superchargers all the way out in Warrnambool.

    • [Deactivated] on 04/01/2022 - 02:45

      If you’re regularly planning on such trips the Supercharger network will be better for the next few years at least. The Ioniq 5 is technically capable of charging much faster but such chargers are basically non existent.

      Personally haven’t been beyond what a single charge in either car would take me in over a decade, and if I regularly did I’d stick with ICE anyway.

    • Euphemistic on 04/01/2022 - 07:45

      Tesla is spending up on chargers to sell cars because they have the ‘best network’. While there are so few other EVs in Aus then it’s not worth installing fast chargers for other brands because you can’t recoup your costs.

      It’ll turn around and one would hope that fast chargers become like service stations are now - heaps of all different brands available selling almost exactly the same thing.

      In the mean time, EVs are basically for people who don’t take long trips and charge at home overnight.

      • chuq on 04/01/2022 - 11:52
        +1

        EVs are basically for people who don’t take long trips

        Except they're not. EV owners take long trips all the time and they've driven pretty much everywhere in the country. You need a bit a bit more patient and prepared when you drive into the Nullarbor, but it can be done.

        • Euphemistic on 04/01/2022 - 12:20

          Sure, enthusiasts will make the effort to do that, but for everyone else the compromises are fairly big.

          It won’t be long before the compromises are minor though.

        • [Deactivated] on 04/01/2022 - 16:15

          It’s fine if you’re treating the trip like an adventure, but no one is buying them ‘to’ take long trips. That’s ok because the average distance most people drive each week could all be done on a single charge of any of them.

          The cost of supercharging is more than filing a petrol car, it’s not a day to day proposition. It doesn’t have to be because you likely won’t need to ever do it unless you’re an enthusiast. You can charge any of them with enough planning, and you’d be able to charge next generation cars like the Ioniq 5 faster than the 3…. if those chargers existed yet…

    • chuq on 04/01/2022 - 11:49
      +2

      Does Hyundai have their own charging network?

      They don't, but you don't want each manufacturer to have their own charging network. Hyundai cars can use the Chargefox and Evie ultra-rapid networks, which (for the most part) overlap with Tesla supercharger coverage and are pretty much equivalent in speed and capabilities. In some regional areas one network or the other has an advantage (e.g. Tesla superchargers extend towards Dubbo and Tamworth, but Chargefox/Evie doesn't; Chargefox/Evie have 4 ultra-rapid chargers in Tasmania, but there's only one Tesla supercharger)

      Note there are plenty of other fast chargers ("fast" in this context means less than half the speed of the ones mentioned above - so maybe a 45-60 minute stop instead of a 15-30 minute stop) in regional and remote areas.

      Also note that Tesla can use the Evie, Chargefox and other public networks - in addition to the superchargers.

      [You probably know most of this since you own a Tesla, but for the benefit of others!]

      • Euphemistic on 04/01/2022 - 12:25

        Plus one. We need a comprehensive standard system like we currently have for petrol. We need chargers that can charge all/any vehicle. You might just need to pay a bit more at brand x if your vehicle is affiliated at brand y.

        It’ll happen, just take a while. When petrol cars first appeared it took a long time for petrol to be available everywhere. At least one advantage of an EV is you can power it from household power, just need the right plug and the right amount of time to collect enough sparks.

        • [Deactivated] on 04/01/2022 - 16:23
          +1

          They’ve basically standardized now anyway, more standard than petrol is. You can basically charge any car at an any non Tesla charger and a Tesla at any of them. There’s different charging rates though.

  • Morphio25 on 04/01/2022 - 05:19

    I'd get the Tesla personally. The Hyundai looks like a piece of crap.

    • chuq on 04/01/2022 - 11:42
      +2

      I would also get the Tesla but myself and most people that I've talked to think the Ioniq 5 is a great looking car. Subjective I guess.

      • [Deactivated] on 04/01/2022 - 16:26

        I think the outside looks like the best looking car around, wasn’t sold on the inside of the light trim. Haven’t seen enough of other trims. On the other hand quite like the inside trim of the Kia EV6 but don’t like the outside as much.

        Think the Model S/X interiors look fine, but hate with a passion the Model3/Y interior. Think it’s by far the ugliest interior on the market, designed for a self driving reality that may not exist in the vehicle lifetime.

  • SpaceNinja on 04/01/2022 - 11:43

    Only thing that will stop me from going for model 3 is missing driver's display. Not sure what were they thinking, second rate driver experience after spending $65k?

    • Thinkscape on 05/01/2022 - 11:43

      Yeah, nah. You get used to it within 24h and never look back 🤷‍♂️ On flip side you get much nicer, unobstructed field of view.
      Rent one for weekend and try it out 👍

  • Lookingforabargain on 04/01/2022 - 11:46
    +1

    I am an early adopter of Ev's MP3 owner from the first batch of cars in Nov 2019.
    From personal experience, I wouldn't touch any other EV except for Teslas.

    1. Most importantly, Range anxiety - Purely based on the poor charging infra around Australia (it's improved a lot but not quite there yet). Tesla supercharging network on Australia East coast is unmatched… It enables you to really go anywhere anytime without range anxiety.

    2. Software - this truly sets the Telsa experience apart from the competition. They are miles ahead in their software usability. And oh, over the air updates are amazing. My M3 can do a lot more now than it did when I first got it in 2019… New features and improvements are just amazing and free

    3 Autopilot - simply amazing no other car comes close. (Don't bother with Full self driving - that was a $7 I would never see again. But helped my FOMO)

    • Windows98 on 04/01/2022 - 19:05

      What are your issues with FSD? I'm looking to buy and wws going to go with that package

    • pompompom on 04/01/2022 - 21:21

      What other EV car software and autopilot features have you tested based on your recommendation.
      I am pretty sure you haven't driven an ionic 5 or polestar much like everyother tesla fanboy out here. Reminds me of the good old apple days and the toxic fanboy following.

      • [Deactivated] on 05/01/2022 - 01:27

        I've driven the latest BMW system, the Mercedes system, and they are both rubbish. BMW is by far the worst, it doesn't give you an indication when it disengages, apart from two lines on the HUD on dash turning from green to clear.

        I've not drive the Ioniq 5 or Polestar, but I know both of them have much worse range/$ and performance/$.

        • pompompom on 05/01/2022 - 07:40
          -1

          Both have comparable range and performance and better in some aspects. They have options for better range even though the base model has lower range. They have better interior and don't have an iPad glued to the dashboard like a tesla which is an insult to a car design. Everything doesn't creek and sound like cheap plastic to touch and build quality is far better. Engine/Electric parts aren't held together with ad-hoc hacks either like plastic ties etc. I'd say that's enough to be a clear win over a tesla.

          • [Deactivated] on 05/01/2022 - 09:45

            @pompompom: Yeah, you've never driven a Tesla or even been in one. And if you think 0-100kmh in 5.6 vs 7.4 is remotely comparable, you're deluded. (Well obviously).

  • SydneySchnorrer on 04/01/2022 - 12:58

    The Ionic and it's not even close. Tesla look great and have some upside, but quality of build is where you live and work - Hyundai nail it.

  • aurotaro on 04/01/2022 - 15:49
    -1

    So people are voting to spend 17k more on a car that has an inferior charging network.

    Time to revoke a few ozbargain memberships…..

  • striker5950 on 04/01/2022 - 17:29
    -3

    id go with iconic 5 just cause tesla has worse quality control than some Chinese brand cars.. if tesla manages to do something about their terrible build quality, than tesla all the way. even 2022 model years have horrible panel gaps, and loose fitting interior trims and door seals, its unacceptable on a 60k plus car. if they were gonna fix it they would have fixed it by now, its been like this for years, elon knows the problem and he had addressed it personally but its still there.. tesla fan boys will be like Ohh BuT YOu CaN fiX ThEm aT tHe NeXt SeRviCe IntErvAL yeh maybe you can but its not suppose to be there in the first place and you should not be the QC checker of your own car.

    • Thinkscape on 05/01/2022 - 11:46
      +1

      This is info from 2019.
      Au gets MIC Model 3 and the build quality is close to perfect. For reliable info from actual owners who picked those up in recent months scan the posts on “Model 3/Y Owners Australia” Facebook group.

      • Thinkscape on 05/01/2022 - 11:48

        (also if you pick up the car, and happen to notice any imperfections, ie gaps or damage from shipping, you report it and it gets fixed by service centre as priority)

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