Will You Upgrade to Windows 11? Microsoft will support Windows 10 until 2025.
Will You Upgrade to Windows 11?
Kelvin0911 on 08/10/2021 - 23:37
Last edited 09/10/2021 - 12:23 by 1 other user
Last edited 09/10/2021 - 12:23 by 1 other user
Poll Options
- 114No, not until windows 10 expires in 2025 (?)
- 156Yes, Now/As soon as it's available
- 376Yes eventually after waiting for reviews
Comments
Only SP2?? I'll wait for SP8
Looks a bit shit compared to the Xp version…
Wow a simplified toolbar, just what I always wanted - more hidden menus
posts on traffic situations will never be the same :-(
then I will give it a crack
OzPiracy
any good reviews on MS Paint on windows 11?
i usually wait for sp3
I'm already using it on a few machines. It's stable and everything works as it did on 10 for me.
Also, lol, who reads reviews on operating systems? Just partition, install and play around.
Lol
who reads reviews on operating systems? Just partition, install and play around.
Exactly what I did with Windows ME, I really liked it although there were bad reviews
Where are the other 11 of you who used ME?
Windows Millennium Edition :P
What the hell was there to like? The unnecessary CPU and hard drive consumption when at idle?
Pinball, Media Player 7, new IE, interface ;)
yeah, it's way easier to set up a partition than read a review
Opinions are subjective, mine is the only one that matters to me on subjective issues like 'do you like the look and feel of this tech'. Reviews can be very biased in this way and also just there to get your clicks.
so you can do partition and install seperately ?
I don't want to upgrade and find out some app or plugin I rely on doesn't work.
would have to be a pretty ancient plugin or app to not work. basically it is mostly just win 10, slightly faster and tweaked UI and better security
Or ya printer no longer works.
Does the printer ever work anyway?
Why?
I can’t think of a pragmatic reason to be an early adopter of an OS version.
Do we get paid for testing a public
betareleased version?The only benefit to my mind is the considerable increase in security which requires a recent CPU with support for HVCI. It is really nothing to write home about.
I reckon there is a gentleman’s agreement between software and hardware makers.
In the case of a new OS version, typically meant, need faster CPU, more RAM, faster and larger storage as minimum system requirement.
Probably, but accuarate minimum requirements are necessary. Windows vista wasn't a bad OS, it's minimum requirements were nowhere near realistic. Forces manufacturers not to sell laptops with 2gb ram
Well there are certainly a few.
- Working in an IT field where employers expect some knowledge of newer versions of an OS.
- Being a developer who needs to ensure their products work on all up-coming versions of an OS.
There's a number of not so pragmatic reasons (yet still valid).
- Tinkering/Having an interest.
- Software compatability (where required, but not likely a consideration windows 11, yet).
I'm sure there's a lot more reasons that can fit into both those lists.
Usually like being an early adopter, especially when its free.. but for my windows machine.. think I'll wait it out a bit
It's not really going to change how I use it.
Already on 11 Professional.
Got the "irc" release a few days ago.
Gaming no problems.
Everything works
Have customized it to my taste.
No regrets.No dramas with TPM or anything?
I'm running Win10 Pro for Workstations on my 9900X and am thinking I'll need to try track down an ASUS TPM 2.0 (OOS everywhere for the last few months that I've checked).
I can see older machines I own (like the Sandy Bridge-E and Haswell-E will be migrated to Linux when Win10 gets switched off.
No TPM issues as I have a new build with all the right bits.
If you're not aware. Windows 11 is installable without tpm chips.
There are multiple how tos on the interwebs.
I run a dual boot Windows/Manjaro setup so the best of both worlds.
If ya need some help. I'm happy to assist.
Have a good one.Might image my Win10 Pro for Workstations and investigate that idea of dual booting. Thankfully the X299 SAGE has 2x M.2 NVMe ports (one is vertical above the GPU) so I can look at getting a Firecuda 510 M.2 500GB to throw in there.
I've been considering running a Linux distro too, to get familiar with it (and also run some specific Nvidia software that isn't Windows supported), so this might just be the push I needed.
Problem is there's so many Linux distros out there that it's hard to settle on just 1. lol.
@Revrnd: Manjaro
Mint
Endeavour
Any of those three will do a new user swimmingly.
Happy to help if ya need.
Take care.
9900x should have tpm in CPU! Check for bios update if you have no option to enable. Depending on mb it might be called iTPP or TPM in bios
I have been running it since release date all is going fine, though I used to have DUmeter running as a toolbar on my taskbar, but with Windows 11 you cant do that.
I was surprised that I did an upgrade over my Windows 10 Pro installation (I backed up before doing this) and all installed apps worked properly.
Right now due to the stupid missing things like never combine on taskbar and no drag and drop to taskbar im going to wait but if it turns out ill gain more fps for gaming ill switch bit other than that i rather windows 10.
It beggars belief that they haven't implemented never combine on the taskbar. Ctrl+K for bluetooth connections has also been gutted. Pretty disappointing tbh.
I upgraded on day 1 and that is the most annoying part about "never combine option on taskbar" missing
Yep! I only use my PC for gaming and OzB. As long as Steam library and my games work I'll be happy to upgrade.
Win 7 still is MY machine
Any reason why? You are a sitting duck to get compromised as critical patches aren't developed for Win7 any more.
Reply with reasoning below
you must still write using a quill, don't you
Reply below
There's a difference between using a previous but protected system and a completely outdated, unprotected system. And you are definitely unprotected as my butt in the shower.
The disadvantages pile on as time comes past, and when the updates ended, the advantage bar dropped right off a cliff. And you with it.
And you are definitely unprotected as my butt in the shower.
If you're in jail, i would consider this a risk. If you live alone, that risk is much less.
Thanks martjin and all who replied…personally I am hoping that (a) multiple protection programs will cover my "butt" (b) as basically sole user (tho family do have wi-fi access but are mostly savvy/cautious) and not prone to visit dodgy/social-type sites I will be safe.
Yes I am forgoing security updates but also forgoing Microsoft's intrusive and "your PC is mine" policies IMO
As for the timid lion-galahad (what a contradiction between user name and reply) I never thought a quill would be strong enough to successfully be used to implement keystrokes?
The future is problematic of course but for the moment Win7 is supported enough by other creators
@dbmitch I disagree-rightly or wrongly - full reply above
Tested it while it was on the insider channels. Hated it to be honest. There isn't any added feature that couldn't have been added to win 10 so essentially it feels like a UI change, with features removed.
My main issues are similar to Axelstrife above.
1. Can't drag and drop from one window to another through the task bar
2. Taskbar must be combined. Yuck! I might look for an alternative taskbar solution.I think Start8 rebranded to Start11. That was the go to fix back when I had Win 8.1. Really enjoyed the look and feel of that OS.
Not sure if Start11 will fix the taskbar? Seems to only change the start menu.
Found this but it isn't free. https://www.startallback.com/
Combined?
Like an Apple you mean?
I haven't used Apple, but from what I've seen, yeah like that.
OK, meh I'll give it a miss for now.
edit: https://nerdschalk.com/how-to-never-combine-taskbar-icons-on…
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Taskbar must be combined? Wtf, absolute deal breaker for me.
I agree but they'll eventually wear us down with some necessary feature or update.
Many thousands have requested to restore this 'never combine' functionality already from what I hear.
It was available in the beta for a while via a reg hack which has since been disabled so they have specifically stopped this functionality working rather than it's not in the code.
Generally Microsoft do see reason given time, combining Taskbar buttons is not fundamental to Windows 11 experience and it's also not something that increases productivity or any superior way of doing things (over non-combined and say shift click tabs) I'll tip they relent within 3-6 months.
You can modify the REG Keys if you want the Taskbar Icons to the Left.
[HKEY_CURRENT_USER\Software\Microsoft\Windows\CurrentVersion\Explorer\Advanced]
“TaskbarAl”=dword:00000000
I think the option is there now, but its still only icons and man I hate that.
Or you can just right click on taskbar and go to settings and click left.
Must be a new update. Feature was missing when I was using Windows 11.
Can't drag and drop
What is the appeal of using drag and drop when a double click is much quicker. Unless you have specific reasons to use it, like using a file with different app for specific reasons.
Drag and drop seems an outdated use.
I never personally used drag and drop.
Apologies but I'm not quite sure I understand what you mean by using double click instead of drag and drop?
By drag and drop, I mean if you have 3 word docs in one folder, and you want to drag them all into another folder that you have opened in the taskbar, you can't. You instead need to put the two folders side by side and drag it from one window to the other window. The taskbar will no longer expand/open the other window/app you have open.
Or lets say you have your browser open and you want to drag a adobe pdf into it to upload to a website. You can no longer go to your document, drag it to the taskbar of your browser for it to open and the drag it into your browser. Again you'll need to open the folder on the left, browser on the right, and drag it from one window to the other.
Oh. I thought users were mainly referring to opening file into a program via dragging and dropping it over program. I didn't think of moving files. That's a bummer.
I don't even upgrade to the latest build of W10 every six months. So I'm not in any hurry. I assume I'll use it eventually though.
Cool story…
But didn’t you know, he’s a software developer!
MS might need to hire him/her.
You missed the part where you also tell us that you're a vegan
Quite happy with my old XP
Win XP runs faster on any hardware and no virus for such an old OS.
But you can't really run much with it.
LOL.
My 4th Gen i7 computer is running fine with Windows 10, but it's not supported. I am not even sure whether getting an already fairly rare, TPM module, for my comptuer (the motherboard has a slot) will actually let my be eligible for Windows 11 or not.
So I think I will wait til I get a new PC before I get Windows 11.
you can script edit to force the install/not check for tpm.
atm no biggiebut msoft said that future patches etc might also check for tpm which means u'll need a module eventually or upgrade….
I think that's bit too much annoyance (not the script editing but the whole uncertainty on how long it will be valid for) for something that I use every day.
There is also the whole issue of, how the rollback will be done. Would I need to reset my computer, or is it going to be just a simple reinstallation of Windows 10?To be honest, I think waiting till 2025, and then see what that brings probably is the best option I have. It's not like MS haven't supported an OS for longer in the past because there were just too many people on the older OS.
thats fair enough
but in saying that if you have decent hardware its worth the upgrade for the improvements
graphically etc/things just work in a modern os
I installed Win 11 as an insider on a CPU which is technically unsupported. Had to roll it back because the software slow-down was too significant. I don't recommend installing it unless it is actually fully supported on your CPU.
I’m running 11 on my old 4th gen i7 laptop. No problems. Did an in-place upgrade and also clean install.
Not sure if future updates will cause problems but currently it’s installing windows updates just fine.
I think if I had two machines, I might have been tempted to get Windows 11 and see how things go. I only have a one Windows device right now, so :S
If you do beware that you lose the ability to roll back after a number of days. If you’re too late you’ll need to reinstall.
The method I used was to extract the latest windows 10 and 11 isos into separate folders. Go into 10 “source” directory and delete install.esd then copy install.wim from 11 source directory into the 10 source folder.
You then just run setup.exe in the 10 folder, which shows your machine as compatible but installs 11. The upgrade worked perfectly.
I then wanted to see a clean install, so I used the windows 11 reset without retaining anything. Also worked perfectly.
I was using a home license, so a MS account is mandatory and you can’t just disconnect the network - it will not proceed until you connect a network and create or sign into a MS account.
When you get to the account screen, just hit shift f10 to open a command prompt. Run “taskmgr” to bring up task manager. Find and force quit the “network connection flow” process. The account screen then changes to say “create a local account”. Easy easy.
it will not proceed until you connect a network and create or sign into a MS account.
When you get to the account screen, just hit shift f10 to open a command prompt. Run “taskmgr” to bring up task manager. Find and force quit the “network connection flow” process. The account screen then changes to say “create a local account”. Easy easy.
Really good to know this.
Haswell isn't supported, even if you did have TPM and Secure Boot. So no point getting one. It's definitely possible to install it, but M$ do not guarantee to support it or offer updates.
Yes big unknown but the haswell I’m currently using works fine and is receiving updates. No idea long term but I suspect MS is full of crap and it will continue to work just fine. If not, takes 5mins to clean install windows 10 so no real loss.
I guess my problem is, MS does not seem to have a white list or black list of CPUs that can run the device.
Here are the list we officially support, but we are going to turn blind eyes to people installing it on their older devices.
They had conflicting information about how TPM 2.0 was a soft ceiling and TPM 1.2 was a hard ceiling, etc etc and now it's just certain CPUs.So what is the actually needed to run this OS? Would my device be OK if they suddenly start checking for TPM if I have TPM installed because it has TPM?
I've run Win 11 on an unsupported i5-6500T. There's about a 30% hit on performance according to online sources as the CPU is performing software HVCI. I promptly rolled back. This isn't just about TPM.
@kipps: I think that is kinda fair, kinda unfair. I am split between complaining about at least giving the consumer choice without having something that looks arbitrary (especially given the jumps in Intel CPUs being marginal between generations in performance) and accepting that it sounds fair to limit certain hardware to provide a better service, how Intel would have implemented a lot of security related features that as an end consumer I normally don't see.
@kipps: I have surface book and surface pro 4 both unsupported CPU, I am interested to know how you managed to install.
@naru6705: I did a install with a boot from the insider ISO which allowed an upgrade from there. I didn’t have to do anything special - it just installed and worked (albeit poorly). If you try to upgrade from within Windows 10 it won’t let you.
You can install Win 11 in 7th Gen processor with TPM 1.2. I have installed on my 3 laptops all 7gen processor. I believe nobody have used this method that I used.
To achieve this you need Win 10 iso and Win 11 iso.
Create a folder Win10 on C drive and Copy all contents from Win 10 iso. Once copied go to sources>install.esd and delete it
Go to Win11 iso> Sources and copy install.esd and paste it under c:\win10\sources.
Run setup.exe. It will show that it will install Windows 11. While installing it will show that it is installing Windows 10 but actually it will install Win11. Once restarted all all configuration completed you will have window 11.Lots of people have used this method - I posted this above 2 days before you.
Sorry, didn't saw when I posted it.
No option for good old Windows Vista?. People give it a bad press, but I'm never upgrading. Why would I? It just feels like a good old pair of jeans.
As a mac user, No 😷💪🏿
Been playing with it as a guest in Virtualbox (last one without the TPM 2.0 etc) and once I can update it and get the TPM working and I then check the apps I use day to day work then I will update my host.
I am the unfortunate owner of an 18 month old HP Pavilion desktop PC which is slower than a 20 year old Celeron based PC.
According to Microsoft, my AMD A6-9230 Radeon R4 processor is not supported for an upgrade to Windows 11. 😕Please tell me you didn't actually pay money for that thing?
I wish people would ask for help online if they don't know anything about something before they screw themselves over with something like that cpu.
When W11 SP2 is deemed stable - then I will give it a crack