Any 'Super73' Owners (or Former Owners) Here?

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  pegaxs on 06/09/2021 - 10:31

  Christ…for that price ($5,790 exc shipping) you could get an actual electric scooter that you could ride to work legally on the road.

  This bike has a 1200/2000w motor and can be equipped with a hand throttle and be unlocked to do more than 45km/h, ergo, not legal as an e-bike… and that's before you start you "rabbit hole modifications…"

  If you really want to go an electric commuter bike, pick something that is a little more built for purpose and road legal… (and less money…)

  Super Soco TC (or maybe a used TC Max) retro cafe racer styling. $5,490 ride away
  Super Soco CUx removable battery, futuristic looks. $4,990 ride away
  Fonzarelli Arthur 1 or 2 (maybe a used 3 if one ever comes up.) Vespa like looks. Model 2: $4,990 (65km/h) Model 2+ $5,290 (75km/h) Both need to have onroad costs added.

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    Hasbulla on 06/09/2021 - 10:50

    You can't ride rego'd motorcycles on footpaths, shared paths, parks, etc.
    Also, very popular at the moment, you can't carry toddlers on scooters.

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      [Deactivated] on 06/09/2021 - 11:28

      And electric scooters are still illegal in NSW. I'm not going to waste $ on a device to get $$$ in fines.

      I want to be able to legally use Sydney's cycleways and shared paths.

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      pegaxs on 06/09/2021 - 11:29

      +1

      You can't ride rego'd motorcycles on footpaths, shared paths, parks, etc.

      OP is from Sydney, so they cant ride their Super73 on the footpath either. So that point is moot.

      And sure, you cant ride your Super Soco TC on a cycle way/shared path, but you sure as hell can ride in on the road at urban speeds (up to 60km/h), so you don't really need shared paths/cycle ways. (pretty sure you cant ride a 45km/h, 1200w bike on shared paths or cycle ways either, considering that they would be classed as vehicles at that power, and not e-bikes).

      you can't carry toddlers on scooters.

      And you would consider carrying your toddler on a Super73?

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        [Deactivated] on 06/09/2021 - 11:42

        OP is from Sydney, so they cant ride their Super73 on the footpath either.

        I use cycleways and shared paths where available. Riding my pushies on the road has never bothered me.

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    pharkurnell on 06/09/2021 - 11:15

    You can get something with a real motor for that money…

    if you want black
    This product is currently out of stock, but you can still pre-order it.
    Stock available after July 5, 2022

    hahahahahaha as if anyone would put money down and wait that long…

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      [Deactivated] on 06/09/2021 - 11:34

      +1

      You can get something with a real motor for that money

      If I wanted to buy another motorbike I'd be researching motorbikes. I want a casual/cruiser ebike as we come into summer.

      if you want black

      Yeah - I would have preferred the black, but white will do (I'm not a fashionista). If/when I get bored of the white, I can always get a vinyl wrap kit for it anyway.

      as if anyone would put money down and wait that long

      The waitlists for these things are bonkers - especially in the USA. Upside of waiting - you'll get whatever the 2022 spec offers. Downside of waiting - miss another summer of riding (assuming we actually get out of lockdown).

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    [Deactivated] on 06/09/2021 - 11:24

    you could get an actual electric scooter that you could ride to work legally on the road.

    It is an e-bike. I don't want or need a scooter. Nor do I want or need another motorcycle (I have a 500cc road bike) with associated rego, insurance and running costs.

    I am looking at the non-throttle equipped model which is EN 15194:2009 compliant and certified (important if need to claim on my Personal Accident and Public Liability cover from Bicycle NSW). The S2-E motor output is locked to 250W and a maximum speed of 25km/h.

    rabbit hole of modifications

    I'm not interested in performance mods, as you assumed I was. Think mirrors, paniers, cargo rack, additional battery pack.

    electric commuter bike

    I don't need another commuter bike. I can easily walk to/from the CBD and, if I'm in a hurry, I take my hybrid bike anyway (see my original post). I am after a set of wheels for weekend fun. Nothing more and nothing less.

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      Euphemistic on 06/09/2021 - 14:18

      It is an e-bike.

      If it has more than 250w and is capable of providing assistance at speeds higher than 25km/h it is not an e-bike. If it is controlled by a throttle it is not an e-bike.

      Yes, it has an e-bike mode, but be realistic, are you going to stick to that when the option is there?

      Spending that sort of cash on a compromised bicycle (it’s designed more like a motorbike) seems a waste. You won’t want to ride it in pedal assist mode after a very short while - it won’t be fun.

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        [Deactivated] on 06/09/2021 - 17:10

        If it has more than 250w and is capable of providing assistance at speeds higher than 25km/h it is not an e-bike. If it is controlled by a throttle it is not an e-bike.

        Correct. And if you choose the throttle-less model, as I likely will, it comes with an EN15194:2009 compliance sticker.

        For anyone curious, NSW EPAC (aka "pedalec") Vehicle Standards Information is based on "maximum power output of 250 watts measured at the wheel". This is why you have a much higher wattage motor as long as there is a controller/governor to determine how much of it is being used.

        Additionally, a motor that delivers 250 watts of continuous power can produce greater power for very short periods of time for pulling away at traffic lights or starting a hill climb. That's one of the reasons that people might retrofit a 1000W Bafang (or similar motor) so they have some headroom for temporary boosted output.

        Aside: That's one thing I am yet to find out about the Super73 - whether the controller has an inclinometer and/or standing-start adjustment to provide a temporary >250W output….or if it simply cuts the juice at 250W.

        it has an e-bike mode, but be realistic, are you going to stick to that when the option is there?

        If I'm on public roads, shared paths etc - absolutely. I'm not interested in being charged, or having an insurance claim denied, for something entirely avoidable. Mode 1 (250W and 25km/h) is the default mode and more than enough for my needs. I just want to flatten hills and give my legs a break from time to time. I can always get on the motorbike if I "need" speed/adrenaline.

        Spending that sort of cash on a compromised bicycle….seems a waste

        It's splurge money that I would have spent on other crap while holidaying over the last 18 months. It's not a waste if it brings me some joy, which is why I started a thread asking for insights from current/former owners.

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          Euphemistic on 06/09/2021 - 20:08

          @[Deactivated]:

          . It's not a waste if it brings me some joy

          Fair enough, but at least go and take one for a decent test ride first, not 5 min around a carpark.

          I’ve ridden plenty of ‘compromise’ bikes over the years and they are fun for very short periods of time before lack of ergonomics really gets you down. Most notably lack of seat height making pedalling painful.

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            [Deactivated] on 06/09/2021 - 20:15

            @Euphemistic:

            Fair enough, but at least go and take one for a decent test ride first, not 5 min around a carpark.

            100%. Will see if I can get a 48hr loaner or hire.

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  nizzkid on 06/09/2021 - 19:03

  Insanely over priced.
  Why not convert your Giant?
  You should be able to fit 20-25ah battery in a triangle bag on your bike.
  And then a BBSHD if you want max power.
  Or a Tongsheng if you like to pedal as it has torque sensing.

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    [Deactivated] on 06/09/2021 - 20:18

    Insanely over priced

    I'm OK with the value proposition given the build quality and components used.

    Why not convert your Giant?

    Because it's a hybrid road bike for when I want to go on long road rides with my friends or dash into the city. Horses for courses and all that.