Same deal as Delroy posted, only now $24 cheaper. If you ordered from the previous deal, might be worth requesting them to honour the reduced price, ymmv.
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It's not about that. This is a 7200 RPM drive that's made for 24/7 operation.
Note these aren't the most reliable from my experience though. Had a similar model (mg06aca10te) and 6/24 failed in the first year.
Have never seen failure rates that high before. It's okay when you have a raid array or cluster and can tank a loss + wait for a replacement, but for home use that would absolutely suck….
Note for context there's 3 points of failure in IT - infant mortality, random failure and wear out. We had 6/24 fail in the infant stage, which is an insane amount compared to other server hardware in the past. We've had 1 random failure so far.
Edit: had a similar model at work* lol, I don't casually have 24 10TB drives at home
For more anecdotal evidence, I bought 6x16TB Seagate Exos drives about a year ago, they've continued to pass SMART tests and no failures yet, touch wood.
On the other hand, of the 4x8TB Seagate Ironwolfs I bought two years ago, 2 failed within 6 months. No idea what that was about.
@Jai: I think sometimes there's just bad batches, but wanted to make sure it's outlined here.
They're not made to be used alone outside of a raid array - some may fail unexpectedly / very early on. Still good for dumping completely legal movies on or something, but not anything you can't afford to lose…
What were the types of failures? Were they catastrophic in that the failed devices couldn't recover from problems when re-added to a RAID system? Or were they unusable and/or unreliable from the point of failure? The drive "parameters" are usually programmed for a specific use case that varies for RAID and non-RAID systems for instance. A failed drive, may, for instance, survive better if a setting was tweaked for the use case and then work perfectly well for an extended period of time.
@affinity: 2 were fully not spinning up after failing, 1 spun up but wouldn't show up. 3 would still work but threw out a ton of I/O errors constantly, enough that the cluster got the shits and removed them.
Note we didn't do anything at all to try and get them working again, it's a failover cluster so we have essentially 3x redundancy. Isn't even a RAID array where it has to rebuild or anything, it has another 2 full copies of the data. The 3 still "work", I use them for movies at home now, wouldn't trust them with anything critical though. With the level of I/O errors they spat out it's likely some small files would eventually become corrupted. Large movies you'd barely ever notice the glitch.
Thanks for the feedback regarding your experiences with this drive, was looking around for 2x HDD for my Synology.
It's reasonable for a bare drive, the cheaper drives prior to chia were typically shucked drives and didn't carry the full warranty a bare drive does.
Ok this is a good deal
That's huge, thanks to nbn, I haven't ran out of hard disk in years.
What she said.
I'm the opposite. Now that downloading is easier, every type of media I consume has gone up.
What she said.
I've gone from downloading 3-5gb 1080p encodes to 20-30gb 1080p encodes to downloading 50-100gb 4k remuxes.
Running out of space though. Sadly I didn't buy drives when they were at a more reasonable price so now I'm trying to wait it out.
My point is that I don't need to download and keep the contents anymore. Faster to just to download then delete.
Ah, right.
That works fine for new things to watch; but once I know I like it, I'm a rewatcher.
So it's not worth streaming it, because I'll just have to stream it AGAIN later.
Australia really doesnt have the bandwidth for me to behave like that.
And what if the nets down? So many people I know are 'lost' without their internet, lol.
what if the nets down?
You want selection out of 16TB of content as backup incase if the the net goes down? :)
when the net goes down, I felt like I'm out of oxygen lol
joke a side, I do think I'm a rewatcher too, but in reality, I don't as there are plenty of new contents to go through.
I was looking for a few drives for my nas, but with 20tb+ drives on the verge of release I think I will hold for now.
Ps: these are also still cheaper on Newegg shipped from US
Not only that but proper large capacity SSDs will be very viable once the chip shortage blows over.
Chip shortage is here for the foreseeable future. Don't expect large affordable ssds in the next couple of years.
Any idea how these stack up against the Seagate Ironwolf/Ironwolf Pro?
It is comparable to the Seagate exos aka an enterprise drive.
Rated for higher endurance than ironwolf it should last longer and has a 5yr warranty.
However, enterprise drives are frequently cited as being noisy which is the downside for nas use.
I cannot find any information on whether the Toshiba mg is more or less quiet than the Seagate exos which is probably a key consideration for many nas users
Rated for but doesn't mean it'll actually perform. Just means they'll replace the drive for 5 years, al
lbeit with data loss in a home system.
Obviously, there are no guarantees in life.
Enterprise drives are simply made to a higher specc and have the warranty to back their claims. That is no consolation if yours dies after a month with all your data with it.
All hdd are doomed to die, it is only a matter of time. Backblaze has contemporary stats on various drives. The Toshiba mg is performing very well currently in their list although the drive count is low and time period short which makes it difficult to draw many conclusions beyond "this drive seems promising" regarding its reliability.
The issue is more the "infant mortality" rate, rather than random failure or wear out.
Wear out obviously happens later on with enterprise drives - they're made to be hit hard 24/7. Random failure is typically about even. Infant failure, however, I often notice is a lot higher than consumer drives. The company just swaps them out like it's nothing and everybody moves on - they expect you to be using a RAID array that allows for this. It's not like a consumer drive where if it fails after 6 months there's gonna be a really angry customer somewhere.
I had a similar Toshiba model at work (though 10TB), we had 6/24 fail in the infant stage (ie first 6 months). Obviously just means 6 hot swaps for us, but for a consumer that rate isn't gonna cut it
@[Deactivated]: I hadn't seen anything previously about the infant mortality rate you describe. Interesting if true!
I assume the 6 failed drives were all surface scanned when initially installed and they still went on to fail fast.
@[Deactivated]: I have a whole bunch of 4TB HGST that are 7 years old still going strong. It's why I go with WD Ultrastar as they're still made by what's left of Hitachi since WD bought them out.
Price had gone up a few dollars it seems?
"Enterprise Capacity" there's got to be a Star Trek joke in there somewhere.
Picard: "Nvidia to the bridge"
Fire (Linux)Proton torpedoes!…. Well I tried :)
Yes… yes you did.
Something something leiutenant data
It's byte Jim, but not as we know it.
Seems to be a good deal but the bad thing is that it’s from Amazon.
I know there’s warranty with the drive and Amazon’s customer service is good most of the time but Amazon’s packaging with a lot of OEM type items without retail packaging is atrocious.
Unless Amazon is putting particular care with hard drives, buyer beware imo. Upvoted the deal anyway.
I complained to Amazon customer service once when my shipment was a day late cause I'd paid extra for a faster shipment and they refunded the shipping plus gave me extra cash for my troubles. I actually felt bad after. It was when they were just starting out in Australia so the customer service has probably dropped since then
Agreed - I bought about $6k of a particular specific server HDD (hard to get) from Amazon USA through AU - they came loose in a box - but crammed/jammed together without anti-static + one row of 7x air bags.
The box looked like it was thrown twice - into the plane and out of the plane.
Needless to say the first 3x failed instantly and I didn't bother with the other x9.
Straight back to Amazon Sydney collection point - then after 2 months of waiting, still no word - they hadn't got them yet……BUT they did acknowledge and refund.
I was NOT happy - as they were hard to get models for a specific system still needing 512n not 4k/512e format.
@DogsDieInHotCars - you got negged - but i fixed that. — they shouldn't have negged ya for that comment!!
No problem, I just know from experience that Amazon packaging is simply atrocious if the item doesn’t have retail packaging. Good (bad?) to hear that your hard drives went through the same treatment as my no retail packaging hardware.
I’ve bought expensive paint brushes from Amazon and they’ve arrived snapped in half because they put them into a padded bag without any bracing. I’ve also bought an expensive Silicoil paint brush cleaner from Amazon US and the glass jar came smashed because apparently Amazon thinks a stretched padded bag is enough to protect a glass jar a trip from the United States to Australia.
I’ve also bought an expensive Dark Souls 3 hardcover artbook that came with dents all over it because, again, they put the book in a padded bag with no effort to actually protect it.
The customer service was good, instant refund no questions asked. But for something as delicate as a hard drive, they’re unlikely going to provide it with sufficient protection to survive a trip from the UK to Australia like your experience shows. Three seperate orders of items without retail packaging, three seperate times that they’ve arrived broken or very obviously damaged due to lazy packing.
Worth comparing with Newegg whom has this drive on sale. Newegg has this Toshiba drive for ~US$385, including GST and free postage (about AU$530).
https://www.newegg.com/global/au-en/TOSHIBA-MG08ACA16TE-16TB…
Toshiba don't offer warranty service for their drives - good luck doing an international warranty claim with NewEgg a couple of years from now 👍
Thanks OP. Bought two. Used to noisy drives so doesn't bother me
I haven't purchased a hard drive in a number of years, is WD and Seagate still the best for hdd and how does this Toshiba drive compare?
All three brands are fine, make sure you buy at least two drives so you can take a backup of the data, warranty replacements are significantly easier with WD and Seagate (Toshiba drives must be returned to vendor).
No direct RMA with Toshiba making replacing them quite an issue, if purchased outside the local retail channel.
Seagate provides the most convenient direct RMA service in Australia. You can ship drive back to a Sydney address, after which they ship a replacement direct from the factory (DHL express air). I've had drives replaced within 7 working days or less of initiating a case.
WD also provide direct warranty, but want their failed drive shipped back to Malaysia at your expense.
Pretty compelling argument to skip on Toshiba and to a lesser extent WD.
$35.31 per TB