Best Petrol/Diesel Cars to Own before The Full Shift to Electric

CaffeineCruiser on 26/08/2021 - 10:09

There is no right - there is no wrong.
This discussion is all based purely on your opinion.

We know that many manufacturers have already committed to a full EV lineup by xxx-year which means Petrol/Diesel cars will eventually be used-car markets only.

What car/cars do you think are "must own/drive" before you shift to an electric car?

For me, it was a Honda S2000 as I think it was one of the most fun/engaging cars and the gearbox/steering just felt amazing.
I've luckily had the opportunity to own one for about 6-9 months many years ago.

Another one on my list is a V8 of some sort - perhaps a C63/C63S AMG for some European Muscle!

Let me know your thoughts below!

Automotive

Comments

  • DashCam AKA Rolts on 26/08/2021 - 10:17
    +37

    Camry.

    • JDMcarfan on 26/08/2021 - 10:54
      +1

      Avalon

      • mousie on 26/08/2021 - 11:19
        +34

        Avalon with TRD stickers on it.

        • Xistn on 26/08/2021 - 11:25
          +12

          Bitsamissinghi Magna! with 2 Ice heads doing 120 in a 40 zone.

          • Chchnu on 30/08/2021 - 20:57

            @Xistn: With evo stickers and a big rear wing

            • Intoxicoligist on 31/08/2021 - 09:49
              +1

              @Chchnu: And a big old hole in the exhaust to give it that bogan hum

    • Haduoken on 28/08/2021 - 16:11

      MX5

    • [Deactivated] on 28/08/2021 - 20:21
      +11

      By the time the Camry will break down we will have flying cars :D

      • mousie on 31/08/2021 - 19:50
        +1

        But the tissue box will still be on the rear window.

  • FireRunner on 26/08/2021 - 10:24
    +15

    There is no right - there is no wrong.

    Pretty sure there are wrong answers when it comes to cars

    • [Deactivated] on 26/08/2021 - 10:44
      +10

      Holden Barina Spark.
      It must be right cause it was in Transformers….

      Plastic pedals and legendary Daewoo+Holden reliability.

    • FireRunner on 26/08/2021 - 10:36
      +15

      Petrol cars will phase out naturally as EV technology matures becoming better and cheaper.
      Even sooner if there's pressure to reach low carbon emissions levels

      • This Guy on 29/08/2021 - 14:03
        +1

        Yes, just like horses went extinct in 1934, all the coal mines shut down in 1991 and the last packet of cigarettes was sold in 2012.

        • FireRunner on 29/08/2021 - 14:13
          +6

          Petrol/Diesel vehicles won't disappear suddenly but will gradually become niche as EV's become more affordable in manufacturing, maintenance and operating cost.
          Car manufacturer's will naturally reduce and eventually stop producing new petrol/diesel vehicles as consumers will choose EV's. There will probably some manufacturers producing the combustion engine vehicles to cater towards the niche group but will be far more expensive to buy, maintain and drive said cars

          • This Guy on 29/08/2021 - 14:23
            -5

            @FireRunner: Yes.

            But there will still be market segments that new petrol cars will still make sense for (probably $20k work utes and budget subcompacts).

            • ATangk on 29/08/2021 - 21:55

              @This Guy: Those would be better off as diesels though perhaps?

              • This Guy on 30/08/2021 - 19:39

                @ATangk: Diesel motors cost significantly more due to exhaust filtering. Refining oil at a refinery is far more cost effective than refining the exhaust gases on each and every diesel vehicle. Electric drivetrains should hit close to parity with diesel over the next five to ten years.

                Plus the new hotness in environmentalism is diesel micro particles. Diesel particulate filters don't catch micro particulates but the oils that used to clump them into safer, but still harmful large diesel particulates in the 4 meters of exhaust under most vehicles.

        • flametornado on 30/08/2021 - 19:11
          +5

          The biggest issue with petrol cars (same as with horses) are a de-escalation of economies of scale.

          When they're not built and sales start to reduce, parts get built less often, less.petrol gets refined and so on. This leads to current economies.of scale being wound back and prices going up and up.

          That in turn drives people to buy electric because that's cheaper and so the cycle continues.

          Just like horses, they will become a niche hobby and not a form of transportation.

          • This Guy on 30/08/2021 - 19:46

            @flametornado: Two significant costs in cars is R&D and tooling. Once you have spent that money, the only reason you stop producing that model is customers won't buy it or governments wont let you sell it.

            What will happen is more companies will take Hyundai/KIA's approach and reduce innovations in many parts of their budget vehicles, or take Mitsubishi's approach and reject innovation, opting for slight cosmetic changes.

            • flametornado on 30/08/2021 - 21:17

              @This Guy: You'd be surprised to see how expensive maintaining tooling and inventory is. Ice cars have a lot of parts that will no longer be required in an ev world. On to of that, you need to ensure you have people that can follow the manufacturing requirements to actually build the part, which is also not free.

              Why would a large company keep the casting for a part around when it would only be used a couple of times a year and the margins on it would not be anywhere near as good as what they have now.

              I expect most companies, once they have moved to only ev and completed their required maintenance period for existing ice cars will either refuse to make parts or sell the tooling to whoever wants them (historically this has been companies in developing countries, but they may not want to do this if building EVs end up being cheaper and more profitable).

              • This Guy on 31/08/2021 - 00:57

                @flametornado: I think you are over estimating how little cars cost to build and confusing the country of origin of most brands for the country of origin for many of the cars they sell here.

                MG could do the MG3 for $15k if they needed to. Knowing how much is in most base single cabs, LDV or Haval could do a basic, 5 star ancap single cab for $12,500. One of the Thai or Vietnamese manufacturers could come in under $15k for a single cab if they sold under their own brand instead of the Japanese, American or German brands they currently use.

                Unless we legislate higher emissions controls or taxes on ICE, I don't see batteries getting with in $5k of a budget ICE drivetrain with in the next 15 years, meaning as long as there are petrol stations, sub $20k cars are going to stay ICE to keep manufacture and dealership profit margins where they want them.

        • Drakesy on 31/08/2021 - 11:30
          +2

          How many people that you know use a horse as a primary mode of transport today?

          • This Guy on 31/08/2021 - 18:50

            @Drakesy: Let me help you with the two comments before mine that provide context:

            Jugganautx on 26/08/2021 - 10:29
            -13 votes

            "New petrol cars will never be gone. End of story."

            FireRunner on 26/08/2021 - 10:36
            +14 votes

            "Petrol cars will phase out naturally as EV technology matures becoming better and cheaper. Even sooner if there's pressure to reach low carbon emissions levels"

            • [Deactivated] on 31/08/2021 - 22:22

              @This Guy: I like this.

              One group thinks long term, has an understanding of what has happened during history and makes a semi-educated opinion.

              The other, short-term, no understanding, no vision, points the finger and has a tantrum because NO.

              • This Guy on 01/09/2021 - 17:31

                @[Deactivated]: Both groups see themselves as the group that

                thinks long term, has an understanding of what has happened during history and makes a semi-educated opinion.

                The only disagreement is if ALL new petrol cars are going away. We preserve steam engines. Some religious groups make a way of life around using horse power. More short term, many households will not want to spend a premium on an electric vehicle. And their will be some use cases, for the foreseeable future, that electric vehicles are not suited to.

                It's simplistic to think that reducing harmful emissions is the most important deciding factor in which car to buy, which conveniently ignores the toxic waste produced by end of life batteries.

        • Chandler on 01/09/2021 - 09:48

          They didn't go extinct, but horse populations have been decreasing ever since.

          https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7Pq-S557XQU&t=212s

      • Abaddon on 30/08/2021 - 10:52
        -2

        Until someone has to pay up for a new battery in 8-15 years.

        As a nation we'd be much better phasing out petrol for hydrogen. These batteries are awful from an environmental standpoint.

        • flametornado on 30/08/2021 - 19:07
          +3

          No they're not, they can be recycled extremely efficiently.

          Current batteries are good for 1000-1500 cycles. On a long range ev (e.g Kona electric, Tesla, …) Which get about 400+ km per charge, that's over 400,000km of life cycle. How many petrol cars are there on the market with that many km on them?

          • ATangk on 30/08/2021 - 20:34

            @flametornado: How many camrys are there on the road?

            • flametornado on 31/08/2021 - 10:12

              @ATangk: I doubt the are a lot of any car with over 400k km on it that are even remotely economical to repair.

              Most cars get at least an engine rebuild will before 400k.

        • Drakesy on 31/08/2021 - 11:32

          Straighr from the oil and GM lobbyist playbook.

          Tesla batteries have been lasting up to 350,000km's before needing a replacement

          Which may effect maybe 20% of cars?
          But by then you would've saved the price of the battery in fuel and maintenance costs

          • samfisher5986 on 31/08/2021 - 16:13

            @Drakesy: But what about second hand cars?

            Lets say the average person buys a car for $10000, and on average can get 15-20 years from that car.

            When does an electric car become viable?

            If a battery costs $10000-$15000 to replace brand new, the car would essentially need to be free.

            If we say a second hand reconditioned battery pack is $5000, the electric car would need to be $5000, but then you won't get 15-20 years from a $5000 electric car and a reconditioned battery.

            In my opinion we are at least 20 years away from the average person buying an electric car unless they change how battery replacements work.

            Especially as we won't see electric cars for $10000 second hand for at least 10 years.

            • Drakesy on 31/08/2021 - 19:59

              @samfisher5986: The resale value of the second hand car would reflect the life left in the battery.

              Just as an ICE car with high km's has a lower resale than one with low km's.

              A car over its life will need >$5000 worth of maintenence done to it.

              • samfisher5986 on 31/08/2021 - 22:41

                @Drakesy: Yes, so a $60,000 model 3 will cost $50,000 with an old battery… so not going to happen.

                Cars in general need regular maintenance, that doesn't change.

                • Drakesy on 31/08/2021 - 22:50

                  @samfisher5986: Why would a second hand model 3 cost $50,000 out of interest?
                  Sorry I dont follow your calculations

                  • samfisher5986 on 31/08/2021 - 23:20

                    @Drakesy: It doesn't, a second hand model 3 is $60,000 on average actually, many are more then this.

                    The point is that we are not going to see cheap model 3's anytime soon. By the time they are old enough to be cheap enough they might not even be in working condition, its way too early to tell right now.

                    • Drakesy on 31/08/2021 - 23:32
                      +1

                      @samfisher5986: They'll follow a slightly different depreciation curve but at no stage is it likely they'll be written off due to the battery.

                      The Battery technology curve is similar to that of solar panels, just lagging by roughly 5 years.

                      When a substantial amount of second hand electric vehicles hit the market i can guarantee that third party manufacturers and competition will solve the problem.

                      • samfisher5986 on 31/08/2021 - 23:33

                        @Drakesy: Thats a pretty big assumption to make, electric cars are nothing like regular cars.

                        I'm not saying it will never happen, I just don't think affordable electric cars will happen for another 20 years.

                        • Drakesy on 01/09/2021 - 09:15

                          @samfisher5986: They're happening already though?
                          Although sky news, the liberals and their lobbyists would have you think otherwise

                          • samfisher5986 on 01/09/2021 - 09:17

                            @Drakesy: Ok, show me the $10,000 electric car.

                            Especially one that is comparable to a $10,000 regular car.

                            • Drakesy on 01/09/2021 - 10:55

                              @samfisher5986: Well there's outlander phevs which can be had for $15000

                              Might want to address your definition of affordable of course you wont be able to buy a new electric car for $10,000, $35,000 though? Definitely.

                              No internal combustion vehicle was affordable when they first came out, even with the secondhand market.

                              Lets get realistic here and accept that in the next couple of years electric cars will dominate the industry (once the government gets on board)

                              Norway's already at 50% of all vehicles sold.

                              • samfisher5986 on 01/09/2021 - 12:26

                                @Drakesy: I literally said $10,000, why do I need to address affordable? haha.

                                Where is this $15,000 outlander fully electric car? Are you just making stuff up?

                                I'm not disagreeing that electric car sales will dominate in new car sales, but this doesn't mean anything.

                                I'm saying second hand car sales will be petrol/diesel for a long long time because I don't believe electric cars will properly filter down to cheap cars.

        • ryf on 31/08/2021 - 12:43

          I'm curious to know what would be the resale value of EVs, based on the battery deterioration over time. Will manufacturers make it easy to swap out batteries? Will garages be allowed to work on these high tech cars?

          • flametornado on 31/08/2021 - 21:08
            +1

            @ryf: Yes, there are already garages that do this.

            You can always replace a pack with one from a wrecker, like we do with engines.

            You can also replace cells in a pack, just like rebuilding engines.

            All of these things are happening right now in Europe, where they're much further ahead in this transition than us.

      • Mistredo on 31/08/2021 - 10:57

        But it will take longer than people expect. Yes, in developed nations the transition might be fast, but in many Asian, African, South American countries people will not get EVs anytime soon.

        • FireRunner on 31/08/2021 - 11:20

          True, developing countries won't be transitioning as quickly since their government won't be pushing for the change and upgrading infrastructure.
          I suppose this would mean that petrol vehicles would remain affordable to purchase for longer. However, I'd expect most people will be switching over to electric as the ongoing costs will be much cheaper

    • JimmyF on 26/08/2021 - 10:36
      +13

      New petrol cars will never be gone. End of story.

      Yeah nah.

    • orangetrain on 26/08/2021 - 10:39
      +26

      Your great grandparent who was a carriage driver said the same.

      • brendanm on 26/08/2021 - 11:22
        +17

        We still have new carriages being built today.

        • jerimiahhalls on 28/08/2021 - 13:01
          +4

          "Grizzly Adams DID have a beard"

          • brendanm on 28/08/2021 - 13:03
            +1

            @jerimiahhalls: I don't know wtf this means sorry.

          • fLamous on 28/08/2021 - 14:10
            +2

            @jerimiahhalls: “Hey, why don't I just go eat some hay, make things out of clay, lay by the bay? I just may! What'd ya say?”

          • chasingstoke on 30/08/2021 - 11:28

            @jerimiahhalls: "HA on the one cheek and then, sure enough, PPY right there on the other"

    • jrowls on 26/08/2021 - 10:39
      +12

      Never is a very long time…

      You may be able to get a handful of commercial petrol vehicles in say, 50 years. Very much doubt there will be more than one or two niche manufacturers making niche petrol vehicles (maybe some sort of dune buggy type things or dedicated offroad 4wds?).

      I'm a massive petrolhead - but the future ain't moving out of the way for us.

      • trongy on 29/08/2021 - 10:37
        +6

        That's the way I see it as well.

        You can still buy Kodak film, a camera to put it in, take photographs and send it off to get it developed. It's just not economical or convenient for most of the population, but a small number of professionals and hobbyists still film photograpy. Petrol vehicles are heading into the same territory.

        • MarcusJones on 30/08/2021 - 20:23

          Slightly agree but the metaphor isn’t great. Thing is in nearly every aspect digital film is better than analogue. Whereas in many regards petrol engines are better (and always will be) than electric motors.

          Now I’m not saying Petrol is better than Electric, just that there are many reasons why enthusiasts will continue buying and using them.

          A slightly better metaphor might be record players and digital music. In most regards digital streaming audio is superior but there is an enjoyment and “purity” to playing old vinyl records.

          Now for day to day applications digital music is far easier and more convenient but for enjoyment on a weekend some people will use records.

          Me personally, I despise driving automatic and will continue with manual vehicles for at least the next 30 years. Given there aren’t any production manual electric vehicles I’ll be sticking with petrol/diesel.

          The other big thing is I think the 90s and early 2000s will be the last major “classic” car scene. Thing is, just about any vehicle from 1900 up to about 2010 can be fixed with basic hand tools by a backyard mechanic. Modern cars are just too complex for the average DIYer, so apart from popular models it’s going to be very difficult to maintain a 2020 vehicle in 50 years time.

          A good example already is programming keys for a 2016 commodore, it’s a lot harder to do than the older models due to the security systems. When Holden service and spare parts goes out of business it’s going to be really tricky. Whereas earlier models can be programmed with after market computers…

          So the long and short of it is I think you’ll see 90s vehicles continue to appreciate in value over time. There is a reason why a 1985-1990 turbo diesel landcruiser with 500,000+ kms will set you back $15-20k. The other thing driving prices of cars is it’s one of the few investments where you pay no tax at all. It’s a bit like art

    • coffeeinmyveins on 26/08/2021 - 11:00
      +7

      Why's that?

      The same reason the "motor car" never took off and certain people wanted to just keep horses?

      EV Tech is already here and better than petrol. The only people who don't like EVs are oil companies and mechanics.

      • Zachary on 27/08/2021 - 15:50
        +1

        The only people who don't like EVs are oil companies and mechanics.

        Why wouldn't mechanics like it? There are EV mechanics specifically for fixing up EVs just like a normal ICE….so there is still money to be made there…

        • Bren20 on 28/08/2021 - 07:38
          +3

          EVs need far less maintenance, the drive system is virtually maintenance free.

          • Zachary on 31/08/2021 - 11:18

            @Bren20: Are you an EV mechanic?

            • Bren20 on 31/08/2021 - 14:49

              @Zachary: Do I need to be?

              • flametornado on 31/08/2021 - 21:11
                +1

                @Bren20: I can show you my maintenance schedule for my kona EV, it's pretty much just inspection and your rotation to 100,000 km, where there's a big service. You have to replace the battery coolant. That's pretty much all the maintenance you need of the drivetrain.

                On top of that no oil to change, and brakes last much longer because it uses regenerative braking.

        • t_c on 30/08/2021 - 12:33

          No more spinning oil filters, mechanics bread and butter.

    • Ryanek on 26/08/2021 - 13:33
      +5

      GM, Honda, Jaguar, Fiat, Volvo, Ford (Europe), Bentley and Lotus have already committed to phasing out the combustion engine.

      • turbochris on 27/08/2021 - 09:52
        +1

        And Mercedes, VW, Jaguar Land Rover, BMW

      • CocaKoala on 28/08/2021 - 08:35
        -1

        GM, Honda, Jaguar, Fiat, Volvo, Ford (Europe), Bentley and Lotus have already committed to phasing out the combustion engine.

        Wow, what a convoy of brands.😂 Might as well add in Jeep, dodge, Chrysler, Volkswagen, and other similar duds.

        It's in the best interest of these 💩 brands to phase out their combustion engine cars. They must be hoping to start with a clean slate and do better at least with electric cars.

        But yes, I do agree things will move towards electric.

    • idonotknowwhy on 28/08/2021 - 13:42
      +1

      They'll go the way of the CRT TV.

      No new ones being made, government legislation making them illegal (like the lead in the CRT TV)

      A niche "retro car" community will form collecting them, showing them off, helping each other fix them and talking about how they're so much better than the new ones (like less input lag on a CRT TV)

      In 30 years, 20 year olds will become interested in "retro driving" and start buying them off the old hoarders for 10x the price.

    • quanticism on 29/08/2021 - 01:06

      He's not wrong. Horses are still around.

    • gesco on 29/08/2021 - 07:13

      I reckon that the production of new fossil fuel vehicles will drop so fast that your head will spin. Demand for them will dry up. Manufacturers that don't have an EV ready in time will fail, those that do will revise their last production date to be earlier and earlier.

      As fuel consumption drops the retailers will close making fuel harder to find, which will just speed up the decline. Fuel will still be available for a while, but it will be prepackaged from general retailers rather than in bulk from specialist ones.

      Most large companies don't survive a paradigm change - so many in this industry will disappear.

      • witsa on 29/08/2021 - 18:57

        Yeah exactly. People forget the external infrastructure required to keep a petrol car running.

        Just like you can't get leaded petrol anymore, the same will just be for petrol in general because there'll be no demand to keep all the petrol stations and all the infrastructure to get the petrol to you running.

    • [Deactivated] on 30/08/2021 - 15:14

      It will if they get rid of petrol stations and you need to travel to get to one. Vs having a charger in your garage.

  • Hithere on 26/08/2021 - 10:35
    +1

    What car/cars do you think are "must own/drive" before you shift to an electric car?

    Any petrol car that's within my budget.

  • SF3 on 26/08/2021 - 10:37
    +23

    The Full Shift to Electric

    When you look at how the AU government is dealing with coal power / renewables, and who is contributing "donations" to both parties. I reckon, it'll be a distance dream.

    • jrowls on 26/08/2021 - 10:40
      +16

      It doesn't really matter what the government does in the short term, in the long term, the market will dictate it anyway. Various other countries have such stringent measures in place that manufacturers will aim to meet them - the cars that they make will fall out of those requirements; and be sold globally. They won't be making different models for different regulations.

      • fantombloo on 26/08/2021 - 10:49
        +2

        For the first time ever I saw petrol at over $2 per litre yesterday.

        The current seize in global logistics makes the case for petroleum alternatives stronger. Another thing here, another thing there, before you know it the precipitate will be a pretty quick shift.

        • JDMcarfan on 26/08/2021 - 11:00
          +3

          its defs been a while but fuel has been over $2 before (esp in the GFC period).
          Obviously back then the impact of $2 petrol was much more significant, as we had gone from 75c petrol in like 2003/2004 to $2 in the space of 5 years.
          Add to that we drove a lot more then than right now, average fuel economy was a lot worse and disposable incomes were considerably less, and I'd say petrol was taking up a huge chunk of many commuters pay checks.

          In saying all this, I'm happy for petrol to be this expensive or even more so (read prior comments below), but wished it was the tax component that was higher and not market prices/price gouging that dictated it. I was able to fill up yesterday at Costco for 147.7 for 98, whilst everywhere else in Sydney is 197+, so clearly someone is making a tidy profit.

          The principal component of fuel costs are market-driven, and so it hasn't skyrocketed but instead what you see are market prices. Indexation (Fuel tax) was frozen from 2001-2015 @ 38.xxc/L and only resumed since, and thus only slightly increased to now. Currently at 42.7c/l vs 40.9 in 2018. If indexation wasn't frozen the rate in 2015 would have been 52c/L and approx. 55c now. With ever increasing fuel efficiency across the national fleet tax revenue per km travelled has plummeted over the last 20 years and continued indexation (compared to having frozen it) would've barely kept up.
          In all honesty Australia is in the bottom quarter in the world for fuel taxes (only above US, Canada, Mexico for OECD nations). Fuel taxes are realistically only about 25-33% of fuel costs whilst in many other countries this is more like 50%. This is what allows them to invest and promote Greener alternatives (and acutally subsidise EV's) whilst we have some truly retarded mentality here to allow EV's to be taxed whilst keeping ICE taxes low.

          I love my cars and drive a v8 as my daily (albeit my commute is like 10km return), however I want the world to transition to greener energy sources. The most obvious option is to increase fuel taxes to reduce traffic volumes and more importantly to promote people to EV's or more efficient ICE's like is done in Europe.
          We should really have higher fuel prices of $2+ per litre (phasing out high sulphur 91) with additional proceeds directly and transparently funding transport infrastructure and EV transitions.

          • netjock on 26/08/2021 - 13:10

            @JDMcarfan: Don't forget that crude oil prices have gone up as rest of the world has opened up. Also Australian dollar has gone down vs USD.

            • JDMcarfan on 26/08/2021 - 13:52
              +1

              @netjock: Valid point! Both of those are definitely the driving factor for the rises over the last quarter and what I referred to by market prices (explained it a bit in my pinned comment earlier but didn’t include it here).
              I expect it to get worse with iron ore prices continuing to bottom out, and with Covid taking greater effect here, the economic recovery and hence market confidence in AUD continues to suffer. With the rest of the world planning to increase rates inline with their economic recovery I’d expect a flight from AUD to occur.

              Either way, Terminal Gate pricing (TGP) in Sydney for 91/95 is 133 & 142 and is about 10% higher than it was in March and only 5c more than it was before the outbreak. I’d happily add 10% for operational costs & profit margins so approx 145 & 160 c/l would be fair.
              Unfortunately the vast majority are charging well above that, and are gouging at approx 40c p/l.

              • netjock on 26/08/2021 - 13:54
                +1

                @JDMcarfan:

                Unfortunately the vast majority are charging well above that are gouging at approx 40c p/l.

                Or maybe people aren't driving as much and they can't sell enough convenience store stuff to stay alive.

                Who knows.

                • JDMcarfan on 26/08/2021 - 13:56
                  +2

                  @netjock: That very well maybe true. But it seems it’s more the big oil corps that are doing this.

                  My local servo (family run) is selling 98 at 166, and I’ve filled my other cars there to support him

                  • netjock on 26/08/2021 - 14:00

                    @JDMcarfan:

                    But it seems it’s more the big oil corps that are doing this.

                    Most likely. I haven't owned a car that uses more than 5L/100kms in the last 18 years (and drive less than 10k/kms a year) so I'm one of the more sensible ones.

                    Find I lock in with 7-11 app and struggle to see sense going down to fill up. Also noticed to get to lowest price of the cycle it isn't only Wed/Thu every week but also every 3 weeks look at the Petrol Spy App graph.

          • fantombloo on 26/08/2021 - 14:30

            @JDMcarfan:

            and so it hasn't skyrocketed but instead what you see are market prices.

            Pretty sure most skyrocketing is caused by market prices.

            I love my cars and drive a v8 as my daily… I want the world to transition to greener energy sources… or more efficient ICE's

            Weird flex but ok.

            • JDMcarfan on 26/08/2021 - 14:45
              +1

              @fantombloo: I should’ve posted the full response (didn’t because I didn’t want to take too much space) but was replying to a person blaming fuel prices being a result of greedy tax collection.

              And wasn’t trying to flex. Just a petrolhead who accepts reality and would happily daily an EV/hybrid and keep a toy for the weekend. Whilst it would cost me more, I’d happily cough up more in fuel taxes if it went to worthy environmental/infrastructure projects over corporate fuel/toll pockets

        • Dslrfirst on 27/08/2021 - 10:51

          Was in the high $1.90's + years ago in far north west Australia.

    • crentist on 26/08/2021 - 10:52
      +4

      Could have worked out pretty well if they hadn't shuttered the car industry.
      Theres no way to keep going against the grain while being entirely dependent on it.

      But given the resistance to electric, we'll probably see left hand drive cars allowed on the roads so we can import the last scraps of petrol, when they've been phased out of global production.

      • netjock on 26/08/2021 - 13:58
        +2

        we'll probably see left hand drive cars allowed on the roads

        No thanks, our drivers are already bad enough.

        Most of the world is LHD, might as well convert to LHD.

        • ProlapsedHeinous on 27/08/2021 - 23:10
          +1

          Could you imagine how much havoc that would cause. It's bad enough for all the senior citizens to drive on the correct side of the road at the best of times.

          • ItsMeAgro on 30/08/2021 - 16:24

            @ProlapsedHeinous: They did it in Samoa just a couple of years ago.

            But yeah, I don't think it's worth switching - changing every sign and intersection and freeway ramp in the country, etc.

            It's not like Metric vs Imperial where one side is actually better than the other.

  • solidussnake on 26/08/2021 - 10:44
    +1

    I had an EVO 8 GSR with all the bolt ons fun as and that turbo spool 😋

  • slknv on 26/08/2021 - 10:57
    +14

    What car/cars do you think are "must own/drive" before you shift to an electric car?

    The vast majority of the population don't really give transport a second thought. My wife is happy with any car as long as it's blue. My uncle buys a new Camry every 5 years and never cleans it for the next 5. On the other hand, if you're into cars, you tend to have friends that are also into cars as well, and probably spend way too much free time browsing for the next project car.

    Personally I've just ordered the new Z - as a middle-aged JDM fanboi, this is likely to be the last real old fashioned Japanese sports car. Proper three pedal manual, twin snails, RWD, underwhelming interior quality and lacking storage space and practicality… exactly what I want. Got a couple of european sports cars…. 40% of the time, they're reliable 100% of the time. Planning to get rid of them next year.

    As for EVs…. wife's next car will probably be an EV. As long as it's in blue.

    • jzdhgkd on 27/08/2021 - 23:40

      Wait how did you order a Z?? I haven't heard anything about early or preorders?? Or do you just know the right people

      • slknv on 28/08/2021 - 09:28
        +2

        Just call your local dealer and throw money at them, they won't say no. Paid a deposit subject to final price and delivery date. Can't decide between yellow and blue, both are awesome.

        • jzdhgkd on 28/08/2021 - 12:21

          Nice!! I don't have the confidence to order one without a test drive at least but given the specs… .I doubt anyone would come away disappointed.

          Enjoy the Z when it comes ;)

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