Motor: High torque 250w Brushless Rear Drive Motor
Speed: Max. Speed Up to 25 Km/h (Australia Legal Speed); Can unlock speed limit to 32Km/ h.
Battery: 48V / 15Ah Li-on Lithium
Frame: Super Light Aluminium-Alloy Frame
Front Fork: Lockable 100mm Suspension
Gears: Shimano Altus 9-Speed Cassette with Shifter
Brakes: Front & Rear Disc Brakes 180/160MM
Handler Bar: 71 cm Aluminium-Alloy Bar
Wheel & Tyre Size: 26” x 1.95 KENDA TYRE
So don't unlock it…
Same with NSW.
@mrtee: Are you sure?
https://roads-waterways.transport.nsw.gov.au/documents/roads…
The important part are:
It doesn't mention that if the bike have the capability to unlock the higher than 25km/h speed = illegal.
However if the bike dont have that EN 15194 label then the cop probably can book you regardless of what speed you are riding it on.
ORLy?
@bobzor: The law says that it cannot be capable of doing that speed, so if it is possible to unlock it, it is illegal.
@jv: Do you have a link to the relevant law/act with this capable wording?…
Vic Roads wording says:
and cuts off once a top speed of 25 kilometres per hour is reached
https://www.vicroads.vic.gov.au/safety-and-road-rules/cyclis…
and this bike meets that requirement…
Do you have a link
Just drop in to your local police station and ask them…
In VIC, they are not legal.
@jv: You're quoting this as fact so I assumed you had a credible source, hmmm… I guess we should just take was you say as BS then…
@jv: So what you are claiming isn't actually written in legislation?, it's just word of mouth from some random copper?
So what you are claiming isn't actually written in legislation?
Nope, I never made that claim.
@jv: Ok, so you got it from a random copper at a police station and it "may" be in an act somewhere but you have no idea where?
Ok, so you got it from a random copper
I don't believe they were random. It was a scheduled shift at the cop shop.
They are the ones booking people, so should know the law.
Why don't you go to your local police station and ask… This is only for VIC by the way. I've no idea what the other state laws are.
@jv: I suspect your copper might have got his wording wrong, I guess they cant be expected to remember every word of every act hey… You'd think if the relevant law/act used the wording "capable" and that is the big deal you're making here, Vic Roads would have used that same wording…
So if what you claim is true, how do the police know if an e-bike is "capable" of being unlocked for higher speeds? (which the majority are)
how do the police know if an e-bike is "capable"
Ask them…
They booked a scooter a couple of weeks back because is was "capable" of doing more than 10km/hr
@jv: But e-bikes don't have a speed limit as such, you can do 100km/h down a road that is signposted for 100km/h if you like, as long as the electric motor stops assisting you once you get over 25km/h…
you can do 100km/h down a road that is signposted for 100km/h if you like
That would be illegal most likely as it is not safe.
@jv: The only speed limits on bicycles on the road is the sign posted speed limit, maybe go ask your police contact about it ;)
@jv: and where does it say that?, and who's the judge of what is dangerous speed?, is 60kmh in a 60 zone dangerous and illegal?, is 80 in an 80 zone dangerous?…
Surely if there was a speed that's classed as dangerous there would be a max speed limit…. like the existing sign posted speeds?
and where does it say that?
https://www.amygillett.org.au/wp-content/uploads/2015/12/Bik…
It is also a serious offence to ride at a dangerous speed.
To ride safely you might need to ride more slowly than the speed limit.
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and who's the judge of what is dangerous speed?
The police officer charges you and the magistrate will judge you…
No different to dangerous driving in a car…
@jv: So cruising down a 100km/h highway at 100km/h is fine and legal if it's safe to do so, the same as when you're in a car…
So cruising down a 100km/h highway at 100km/h is fine and legal if it's safe to do so
Not safe on a bike though. Unless maybe you are wearing your leathers instead of lycra…
That would make almost every e-bike on the market illegal, most are capable of being unlocked (one way or another) due to them being made for other countries with higher limits and for people that want to use them offroad….
@FLICKIT: public off road use at higher power/speed would still make them illegal in oz. only place you can use them with higher power/speed in oz is on private property (that isn't a road related area)
can you point to where in the details it mentions this bike is only usable on public roads and property?
where did i say it is ?
"The fact that it is unlockable makes it illegal, at least in VIC it does"
you're covering an entire state with your comment.
another quantity over quality post count for your monthly report :/
"The fact that it is unlockable makes it illegal, at least in VIC it does"
Correct…
The comment in that thread is about use on public roads and public land…
I don't understand why you're being downvoted. The law states anything with the capacity to go over 25km/h is illegal so this by definition is illegal.
This, however, does not mean it'll be enforced lol but I think it's pretty stupid for a rep to be advertising illegal specs. Just stick with "It does up to 25km/h as per law" and ozbargainers will chip in the comments section and give an essay on how to unlock the speed :)
Is this legal in Sissy Australia?
Yes, you can attach a sissy bar…
Are you the bike police?
what is the bike police?
any independent reviews on those ?
Sure…
They look "Ugly"…
High torque and 250w shouldn't be in the same sentence….
how heavy are these electric bikes?
(Not including the rider…)
OP what is the amount of torque?
Can you even get fit on one of these bikes if it does all the work?
They don't do "all the work", they're only pedal-assist, they just help you along a bit…. and yes they can be a good workout it all depends on how much effort you want to put in… At the end of the day whatever gets people out about and moving, get the heart rate up and such, it's all good….
Yes
It certainly move active than sitting in your car seat + you can turn the assist down if you want to work out
… but you are right if fitness is your primary aim just use a normal bike.
They are also heavy and unwieldy many real cyclists hate them for good reasons.
I think its a matter of if its too hard some people won't cycle at all so ebike is a "gateway" drug to actual exercise.
I use my e-bike to reduce cost of commute and for fun.
Anyone got any insight into a crank motor vs rear motor? JV, love ya weird head…but you can sit this one out.
I have both, the mid drive motor is a more natural feeling power to me, it applies power based on how hard you are peddling, the more effort you put in the more power that is applied. The Hub drive motor applies power as soon as you apply pressure to the pedals, as long as your legs are moving the motor applies power. Where this is noticeable is if you are stationary with one leg on the ground and happen to apply weight with the other leg on the pedal, the bike can feel like its going to take off, this is a lot less noticeable on a mid drive motor. That is purely my observation.
That being said, a hub drive motor e-bike is generally a lot cheaper than a mid drive. I had one of these bikes delivered today for my wife, the bike is basic compared to my Focus Jam2 but its seems great value for money to get members of the family outdoors.
Cheers, what about strength / longevity?
Looking for something that can handle a bit of impact when riding downhill trails…Well need it to help get back to the top. Will a rear hub handle it? Also, if I bend the back wheel, is the whole drive hub stuffed with it?
For that type of thing it "seems" mid-drive is better because it runs through your gears, a hub drive is like a direct drive on the rear wheel….
(FYI: I've recently built a mid-drive bike and that's all I've used, I've never used a hub-drive so I cant offer any real experience)
@FLICKIT: Good point re gears. I'll keep my eyes open for a good mid drive unit. Will probably follow your lead and add my own.
jv on 17/08/2021 - 13:07 Comment score below threshold.
