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QNAP TS-451D2-2G-US Dual-Core NAS $697.61 Delivered @ Newegg

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Pr33tom on 06/08/2021 - 13:46 newegg.com (439 clicks)
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Been looking for a Intel based 4 bay nas for over 6 months now and finally found one that is under $700.
note i am using a bankwest cc with better exchange rates than paypal. US price is $514.39 including GST

The main benefits for me getting a off the shelf ready made nas is the power consumption and heat output. These devices pulls around 25-30 watts on idle with disks spinning. Your never be able to build a desktop pc with off the shelf parts to get this sort of power efficiency. Since I run mine 24/7 the money I save with diy ill lose in electricity costs after 2 years.

the power adapter will be a us plug but voltage wise it will support Australian 240V.

ram can be upgraded to 8GB max, 4GB sticks of sodimm ddr4 ram is cheap.

https://www.newegg.com/global/au-en/qnap-ts-451d2-2g-us/p/0Y…

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  • cristobaljamesy on 06/08/2021 - 14:01

    The age old question..

    Is it any good as a Plex server?

    • Dubious speculation on 06/08/2021 - 14:04
      +4

      computer says no.

      *I don't actually know, just wanted to use that quote…

    • jasonc on 06/08/2021 - 14:18

      I have a TS451 that I use as a plex server. I upgraded the RAM in mine as 1GB wasn't enough. 2G should be ok

    • Remorhaz on 06/08/2021 - 14:18
      +3

      I have the much older first version QNAP TS-451 and it's an excellent Plex server for me

      • cristobaljamesy on 06/08/2021 - 14:19

        Good to hear, are you streaming up to 4K without any issues?

        • Remorhaz on 06/08/2021 - 14:22
          +2

          Yep - I don't have many 4K files but the couple I do have were fine (streaming to a Samsung 4K TV)

    • boondocksaint on 06/08/2021 - 14:36
      +1

      This should be fine for 4k playback if you have the Paid version of Plex, as to use the iGPU for decoding. I think the CPU may struggle to decode 4k files with the CPU only.

    • chunksandwich on 06/08/2021 - 15:07
      +5

      Answer is very much an "It depends";

      If you have an active plex pass, you can utilise hardware transcoding via the UHD600 GPU that comes with the Celron J4025. That GPU is new enough to include "Intel Quick Sync" which can very quickly and decently encode and decode most media formats @ a single 4K remote stream, or multiple 1080p remote streams (over the internet). YMMV quality wise, but I've never had much of an issue with artifacts or desync.

      Now this doesn't matter one bit however if your use will be primarily limited to playback on your local network by a device that can natively decode formats like h264/h265, eg Android TV embedded/stand alone devices, possibly newer Apple TVs (never owned one, but would assume they're similar). Not sure what the go is with consoles as players - I know that PS4s have no issues decoding x264 however. If the latter scenario is the case, the CPU overhead required is fairly marginal, as Plex will simply be playing the file direct over the network. Remote streaming to a device that can natively decode a video is about the same.

      I've hosted plex on a number of different devices (NAS, Nvidia Shield, NUC with attached network storage etc) and I can say that for someone whose primary need is local playback of 1080p and occasional 4K video, also sharing some content with a few friends remotely, most Celron J series handle this just fine.

      • cristobaljamesy on 06/08/2021 - 15:11

        Helpful information.
        Cheers

        • chunksandwich on 06/08/2021 - 15:20

          No worries!

          I've been playing around with configs for a while, and it's certainly taken me a while to work out what works and what doesnt.

          e.g I couldnt understand why a 4K video was playing with zero buffering at my friend's house, but if I played the same one on my laptop it buffered for an odd 30 seconds, multiple times throughout playback.

          Simple answer: PS4 natively decodes h264, whilst Chrome does not. The moment I switched to the Windows Plex Player app, problem disappeared.

          I didn't exactly advise this above, but if you read between the lines you might have noticed - IF your player can't decode most of your media natively, then a Celron based CPU might not be your best option. I'd always recommend a lower powered but newer CPU over, say, an older gen i7 because Quick Sync is a must if you're not using a discrete GPU (which honestly, I'd never recommend because the wattage requirements vs transcoding benefit don't have the same value as an iGPU does as far as Plex goes; sure the performance may be higher, but so will your power costs)

  • jeppetto367 on 06/08/2021 - 14:11

    I need a 2 bay NAS (or even just raid enclosure) for storing photos, will have 2x 8tb drives in there (one already has the data). Is there a 2 bay version (or similar) thats plug and play and wouldn't risk any issues on my current 8tb drive? Price isn't really an issue (within reason).

    • LoungeLizard on 06/08/2021 - 14:42
      +2

      All standalone multiple drive storage solutions I've seen will format newly added drives. I assume you want to set it up as RAID 1 (mirror?) You might have to get an extra drive, setup RAID and then copy across. It's a good idea anyway to have a spare drive to keep a separate off-site copy of your data (if you're not using cloud storage) and/or have as backup in case one of the raid drives fail.

      • willyroo on 06/08/2021 - 17:44

        You might have to get an extra drive, setup RAID and then copy across.

        This.

        Use an external drive - under $200 for an 8TB box. Backup existing drive, add 1st 8TB drive to new NAS.
        Restore.
        When restore complete, disconnect backup, check all files there.
        Add 2nd 8TB drive, takes 2-8 hours to sync.
        Check all working.
        Use external drive as backup from NAS.

        I use an external drive for local backup, and 2 Onedrives for remote backup.

      • jeppetto367 on 06/08/2021 - 18:10

        Great, thanks for that. Any you'd recommend? Doesn't have to be a NAS but I imagine that would be best? I don't know much about these. Looks like most are around $200-300?

  • sachz on 06/08/2021 - 14:54

    that power consumption is wrong.

    the 4x HDD's alone would consume about 4 x 5W = 20W and that's idle.

    r u saying the rest only consumes a few more W's ?

    ps.im a big fan of QNAPs, have 3 already, one of my 8 bays is dieing (given me 10 yrs of service, cant complain) so im looking for a deal on a current model 8 bay.

    • r33tom on 06/08/2021 - 15:08

      nas hdd when idle its more like 2-3watts https://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/desktop-hdd.15-st4000dm…

      and more power consumption tests here
      https://www.kitguru.net/professional/networking/simon-crisp/…

      the intel celeron cpu only draws 10 watts. idle its using a few watts.

      its amazing how efficient these devices are.

      • sachz on 06/08/2021 - 15:14

        yea double checked, think ur right.

        the 8 bay ive got with 8 hdd's idle only consumes 30W in total. amazing.

        still waiting on a deal for a current model 8'er…. thnx :)

      • cristobaljamesy on 06/08/2021 - 15:43

        Is the power lead something that is interchangeable or must I use an adaptor?

        • r33tom on 06/08/2021 - 18:34
          -1

          The power lead will be interchangeable on the power brick.

    • LoungeLizard on 06/08/2021 - 15:24

      Power sounds right to me. My unraid server running on a J3455 m-itx board, 4 x drives, 8 gb ram, 2 x fans uses about ~30W.

  • snep on 06/08/2021 - 16:16
    +1

    Your never be able to build a desktop pc with off the shelf parts to get this sort of power efficiency

    You can buy the same kinds of low TDP celeron chips on embedded boards from the likes of Asrock (e.g. this one). That's what I used to build my nas, looks like the price has jumped a bit since then though.

    Also, don't think I'd ever buy QNAP after all their security issues, seems like there's a new vuln every few months… taking a scroll through their subreddit's top all-time posts is rather informative.

    https://www.reddit.com/r/qnap/comments/iec8ht/if_you_value_y…

    https://www.reddit.com/r/qnap/comments/dvh7n2/qsnatch_malwar…

    https://www.reddit.com/r/qnap/comments/aq0gmi/qnap_malware_d…

    https://www.reddit.com/r/qnap/comments/mwo72h/with_all_the_r…

  • AlexF on 06/08/2021 - 16:30
    +3

    No-one should be buying any QNAP gear before reading Security Now! transcript.

    • willyroo on 06/08/2021 - 17:46
      -4

      1) Don't use default admin - you get this warning everytime you log on
      2) Use 2FA eg MS Authenticator

      • g1 on 06/08/2021 - 17:52
        +2

        That articles discusses vulnerabilities that can not be mitigated by either of those recommendations.

    • g1 on 06/08/2021 - 17:49

      TL:DR:
      “if you already have QNAP devices, find some use for it inside your network. Remove it from the public Internet. I don't think there's a safe way to have these things exposed on the Internet“

    • r33tom on 06/08/2021 - 17:59
      -1

      I don't understand why would anyone want to have their Nas publicly accessible. With poor NBN upload speeds on all home plans you can't consume much before your brick walled by upload speeds.

      Run it over a VPN if you really want to access your content when away from home.

      I have no concerns over those security vulnerabilities as this device is going to sit securely behind a firewall and will not have direct access to the internet.

    • BlitzR on 06/08/2021 - 18:44

      I was one of many people who were affected by the qlocker ransomware vulnerability. I contacted qnap for support.After a long wait, the reply I got from them was to go read a thread on bleepingcomputer.com for help.

      Yup. They gave me zero support for a vulnerability that they allowed to happen. Instead of selling my nas, I simply drive over it a few times in my suv, then threw it in the bin rather then sell it, because I didn't want a similar thing possibly happening to a buyer.

  • wt860 on 06/08/2021 - 16:35
    +1

    Using a retired workstation E5-2630L v3 with Unraid as plex server for half price now. Power consumption is around 38w on idle with much more potential in virtual machine if swap to other more powerful Xeon CPU

    • r33tom on 06/08/2021 - 18:02

      I highly doubt it will be around 38 watt. The CPU tdp is 55watt.

      Your also be using an atx power supply which has woeful efficiency. At best a 80% efficient PSU. So your going to have to factor in and add 20% additional watts on your devices.

      Best case your device will be idling at 80watts with 4 HDDs.

      • wt860 on 06/08/2021 - 19:45
        +1

        I thought the same way before I set up the system but my UPS shows output only 38w in idle. TDP is the maximum output when CPU is under 100% load. In fact I never see overall load go above 20% when use it as plex server to output to 3 TVs. PSU is custom OEM 685w 80plus gold and Xeon is more efficient than I imagine. I don't really mind extra power consumption but productivity and potential so just take it as another fridge. Quite satisfied with this powerful beast upgradable to 22 core Xeon and 256GB ECC memory now and there are also other free solutions like FreeNas and OMV.

        • r33tom on 06/08/2021 - 20:57

          Interesting that it's got such low power draw.

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