Currently have my eyes on the Canon EOS 90d with EFS 18-55mm f/4-5.6mm STM Lens.
Prices ranged from $1200 - $1600 so considering highest price, $1,600, are there any cameras under this range that is better than the 90D? And includes lens.
Better than Cannon 90D (+Lens) around $1,600
Koipanda on 12/05/2021 - 02:35
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No I'm open to mirrorless and DSLR.
I was sitting on the fence with the Canon M6 mark ii but got scared with the non-weather protection.
I haven't found a mirrorless as good as the 90D with the weather protection.
On weather protection, my eos M5 isn't rated as weather protected, but when living in Vietnam it both dealt with the heavy humidity as well as being used uncovered in numerous storms without any issues.
Not something I'd necessarily recommend doing with any camera as you never know, but also not something I'd be overly concerned about. What type of weather are you planning to use it in?
Honestly im just scared of the risk of not having weather protection especially on something $1000+.
@Koipanda: Just remember that even if it isn't rated for weather protection, it likely still has some, they just don't want to make claims of weather protection without thoroughly testing. It's like how a lot of mid range smartphones are water sealed despite not claiming to be, due to manufacturers not spending to get them rated. If you aren't planning to use it in heavy rain regularly i'd say it really shouldn't be a concern. A little light drizzle likely won't bother any camera.
@witheredcouch: yes, DSLR's are quite robust and reliable. Me and my mate both had Nikon D5200 back then and had used them in all sorts of tropical weather. But both of them are still being used by the new owners without any issues.
@bazingaa: Thats one of the reason im leaning into DSLR. For that long life. Even though $1500ish isn't considered 'high end' I don't intend on ever 'upgrading'.
OP, what is your current camera? and what are the feature you are interested in like photos or videos etc.?
Don't have one but its time i get one :)
Looking for both photos and videos, an all-rounder pretty much.
Mostly scenic and portrait photos and good for travelling.
@Koipanda: I just asked it because, if you are not that into videos, you can even get a used body for few hundred bucks and a good prime lense as your first DSLR and learn the stuff. I can certainly recommend something like Nikon D5xxx (D7xxx is better) + 35mm f/1.8G lens (may be around $400 for both ?). But, if you need 4K video, you need to get a newer camera.
The main point is that you can buy old lenses as long as they are compatible, because they will last long for multiple camera generations. For an example, Nikon F mount lens will work with any Nikon camera from 70's (of course, with focusing limitation with camera's without internal motors). I had a Nikon AI-S 50 mm / f1.4 from 70's or 80's which gave me great night/astro photos with D5200.
It all depends on your requriements.
I prefer turbo lasers over cannons
nah you gotta get railguns
interesting fact, Canon is named after the Buddhist bodhisattva Kannon or Guanyin or Avalokiteśvara. Very popular Buddhist icon in most of Asia. Also, the Dalai Lama is suppose to the reincarnation of Avalokiteśvara
Having moved from a Canon 60D, to mirrorless Canon (eos M5), and now Full Frame mirrorless Sony, I don't see the reasoning to go DSLR unless you are already locked into an ecosystem, unless you are just really set on the superior ergonomics of the chunkier DSLR body.
The DSLR glass is bulkier and heavier, and as an overall system I imagine Canon are on track to phase out the EF mount. If you can deal with the awkward shape of the body (not my first choice ergonomically), something like a Sony A6400 might be a better choice. The fact that my full frame Sony feels more easily transportable than my Crop sensor DSLR did means I use it a lot more.
Obviously you have an optical viewfinder in the 90D vs an EVF in mirrorless, and that will take some getting used to, but as you haven't mentioned an existing camera it seems that you likely won't have a preconceived preference one way or another, and even with a decade of DSLR use I found an EVF didn't take too much getting used to.
Agree with the comment above
The Canon 90D is a solid option.
Pros: Good all rounder, good battery life, cheap lens options
Cons: DSLRs are getting phased out, but that does mean you might be able to pick up some cheap second hand lensesOther options:
Fuji XS10: Another good all-rounder $1435
https://www.parramattacameras.com.au/fujifilm-x-s10-body-bla…
Pros: Probably better spec-ed than the Canon option - good stabilization for low light. Good potential for future upgrades as well
Cons: Bad battery lifeNikon Z5 - a bit over your budget but a class above ($1689 after cashback)
https://www.ozbargain.com.au/node/621841
Pros: Full frame, much better IQ
Cons: Upgrade costs will hurt your walletSony A6100/A6400 ($1200 - 1500 when on sale)
https://www.harveynorman.com.au/sony-a6400-e-mount-mirrorles…
Pros: Best autofocus in the business
Cons: Bad ergonomics, bad battery lifeSitting in between the Nikon Z5 and Canon 90D.
A con on the Z5 is the inability to face the LCD screen for a selfie.
But mirrorless is seemingly a better investment than DSLR :(
What to do what to do.
Are you thinking of getting more lenses in the future?
There are much cheaper options in the Canon 90D camp from $150 - $3k new and a large second hand market as well.
But there won't be any new lenses as Canon's new lenses will go towards their really good but super expensive R mount mirrorless cameras.
Nikon Z5 lenses will be $1k - $3k new, but they're all good and they'd better be for that price.
Well the Fuji has a selfie screen :)
@hangrydude: No, I don't think I will be buying any other lens. The basic kit one will do for me.
Hoping it will last me 10 odd years in a casual use basis.
@Koipanda: In that case you should consider getting a lens with a bigger zoom range. I.e 90D + 18-135mm lens $1700. The Z5 equivalent 24-200 costs $1400 by itself.
Mind I ask what Sony mirrorless you have right now and if you would recommend that our another Sony model
I have an A7III, which I would say is likely overkill and out of budget for what you want, and that the extra $ spent for full frame and needing full frame lenses would be unnecessary. My usage is around 40% photography, 60% video so my requirements are likely different to yours. The A6400 is what I would go for in the sony range if I were you, but I would also give Fuji a strong look.
The Fuji XS10 reccomended above is probably a strong option and much nicer to handle than the APS-C Sonys.
Also, out of the ones you recommended and 90D, which one do you think has the best user friendliness?
@Koipanda: Both the Nikon or Fuji should have good user interfaces from what I've read, Fuji has pretty good profiles out of the box, but I haven't used either.
The 90D feels a bit outdated, and with the Sony's you can get a lot out of them but there's a bit more of a learning curve to begin with.
Probably best if you could try them at a camera store.
@Koipanda: I agree with hangry dude. Sony are not great user interface wise, it is my least favourite interface I have used and of the many camera systems I have spent time with it took the longest to pick up. I find dslr's really just feel like old tech now, and it's hard to get excited about them.
Fuji will likely suit, but go to a camera store and play around, you'll likely know at least what you don't like handling pretty quickly.
"Better" is very subjective. A Sigma Merrill dpX will likely give a better photograph, but is horrible to use. Mirrorless cameras are lighter and smaller. Full frame dslr cameras are bigger and will have better low light and depth of field capability.
In other words, it very much depends on what you want to use it for.
Pretty much all-rounder use, photo and video.
Mainly going to use it for travelling and scenic photos.
Still depends. I have a DSLR, if I were buying again, would probably go mirrorless. Smaller means you will likely get it out and carry it with you more. Another option is a quality fixed lens like a Ricoh GR or similar.
the 7d mk2 should have been a good choice in that price range sadly its discontinued. but you might be able to pick up a bargain if you fine it in stock.
Looks like a great all-rounder body. You can get the body + a 35 mm (so 56 mm equivalent in full-frame) / f1.8 prime lense or 50 mm / f1.8 prime without an EFS 18-55mm f/4-5.6mm STM kit lens and then look into some good lenses later.
Do you prefer DSLR over mirrorless ?