Soon Be Charged for Exporting Power into The Grid
Most likely put off a lot of people considering Solar.
Just want to see what others think ?
Australians with Rooftop Solar Panels Could Soon Be Charged for Exporting Power into The Grid
DannytheMan on 25/03/2021 - 08:14
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Isn't solar instantly disconnectable? I can certainly instantly disconnect my rooftop solar, is it more complex for large installations?
won't it just make batteries a more worthwhile investment?
also it's not that hard to consume more power - we are usually worrying about the opposite
just leave more appliances onThat is what I was thinking bargain huntress, wonder if you could export your excess to your own battery and if you had an EV be able to charge your EV from your battery? Don’t have rooftop panels or an EV, just trying to think this through out loud with you clever buggers….
Some home EV chargers have the option of charging from your battery or grid or both, so very possible.
and what appliances were you thinking of leaving on for longer or more often?
airconditioners, heaters, fans
- how many people live with some environmental discomfort to save electricity
entertainment appliances - music, tv, game consoles
- can put them on low or mute to prevent noise pollution
- potential increased security
lights are an option
- increased security
- but light pollution is such a big problem so not ideal at all
- could go nuts at christmas
recharging batteries for everything that needs batteries
I can also think of lots of lovely new things I could help pay for with the savings of avoiding the fee;
battery storage like i mentioned.
increase food storage capacity with cooling / refridgeration / freezing
- extra fridge, extra freezer, cool room / cellar
- could then buy more food in bulk
- preserve more food
- grow more food - long storage for crops and seeds
- also useful for ornamental gardening - chilling and storing bulbs
indoor plant growing set ups like dust mentioned
crypto mining set up like dust mentioned
volunteer grid computing set up
electric vehicles like hedgehog and garethb mentioned
It’s money gouging plain and simple.
In SA they have already used new powers to shut down solar to drop voltage to the system.
They can’t get increases in service charges past the authorities because they can’t justify them.
So they are diversifying their income stream, and they want to have this well in place before our generation system prices coal and gas out, and renewables and hydro/batteries etc become the system.
That way solar owners will pay for the problems in transition that they will have due to abysmal policy by COALition and pretty pathetic showing by the other mob as well.It will start to really hit when coal fired stations continue to shut, but batteries and pumped hydro are not yet on line, approved and started too slowly because of the lack of enabling policy by the Gropers of Parliament.
Who did we all think was going to pay for the lack of policy that energy analysts said was going to cost us - fairy godmothers? There are real costs and we’ll pay them because we are content to vote for that level of incompetence.
Don’t get me started on all of the coal mining and power generating communities that have been sold out by these idiots……
Regressive and ridiculous.
Pump money into the fixing the grid so it can sustain all of the rooftop solar.
The only reason we are even remotely meeting international obligations in regards tro reducking emissions is due to rooftop solar.
Do not make it less enticing.
It’s the result of a government with no energy plan. Solar has been encouraged and subsidised. Sales people show magic graphs showing huge returns on your investment. Then one day somebody mentions that the infrastructure can’t deal with all that extra generation because the system can’t cope because it’s old tech especially transformers in your neighbourhood. Now people are being refused permission to plug into the grid. On the other end of the argument the charges are pretty small that are being proposed. In the range of less than $100 a year. The solution is to upgrade the infrastructure but the cost is huge that nobody wants to pay. Oh and another thing, once Electric cars are the norm all that electricity will be needed but that’s for another whiney day.
Yes, if EVs were encouraged they would easily draw power and solve the problem.
Hang on - that doesn’t net the power folk any extra money. Stuff that idea…..!!!
https://amp.abc.net.au/article/100029636
Looks like people with solar should pay, so as to reduce the power bills of people living beyond their means. $1300 a quarter! Does the ABC not fact check anymore?
no… not for some years now, and the piece is good propaganda for introducing the charge is it not?
It is, I thought the ABC had some sort of journalistic integrity still though.
not for a long time.. it just works harder at its image but that's bolstered by the crocodile tears of the government, who fund it.
typical Australia
anything green = tax it
long story short, we need more money but we will spin some bs story
billionaires to support , liberal donors and foreign investors - largely yanks.
Solar system owners are already being charged for exporting power to the grid. I get 9.5c/kwh for export and get charged 22c /kWh to import. That means someone else is getting a 57% cut already. They also most likely sell that power they got for 9.5c to other customers who have opted for "green energy" which they are selling for more than 22c /kWh.
I thought that cut was supposed to be used to maintain the grid and infrastructure that they are now whining about.
The core of the problem is privatisation. So what they will do is charge for solar export to entice people to buy batteries, then put in legislation to take control of peoples batteries to stabilise the grid instead. Of course, they will then discharge your battery into the grid instead of powering your house, and charge you for the export.
subsidize batteries hardcore (not just panels) so they are economic and people flood in to install them, only allow exporting from batteries during periods where exporting is low. Once your battery is full and if the network is clogged - trigger the solar panels to stop exporting / stop generating.
offer bargain basement battery loans (like loans under 1%)
all easily solved with firmware or hardware updates to your inverter
batteries are not economically viable yet (price v warranty) so people just load up on panels and forget about the battery
could you imagine if EVERY household with solar panels above X Kw had a tesla style battery, we could close fossil power plants overnight
eventually someone has to make some decisions which PROMOTE and ENCOURAGE green energy and green investment (EV cars, residential batteries). VW has already come out swinging at the government regarding EV cars and how we are basically 3rd world when it comes to the technology
building wind farms and grid solar is nice and fluffy - but what about the huge investment needed for transmission which does not exist yet?
but we have a huge part of the solution already - massive residential solar installations and marketable residential batteries which is fit for purpose for a huge percentage of the population already
3rd world is where we vote to be.. ain't gonna change until aussies wake up to whats happened, which is extremely unlikely.
Batteries on a household level to solve a whole countries energy problems would be super expensive and inefficient
maybe, but we are happy to pour subsidies into other areas.
you wouldn't even need to subsidize it much - subsidize it enough so the economic v warranty benefit exists OR low interest government loans
building new green energy in bumfuk no where then spending billions on transmission infrastructure is not the answer either. building in the middle of no where is old thinking, a "new" problem requires new thinking. power stations were built in the middle of no where previously because its either where the fuel was, pollution, size of land required or all three
Thousands have been spent on this major investment thinking it would pay it self off in no time. Come in spinner.
anyone who was fooled into buying solar as a "money maker" didnt buy solar for the right reason and will be left high and dry and rightly so
you bought complex infrastructure from sales people running off a script who sent you dodgy assumptions about ROI using perfect conditions
It'll take 12 months to 2 years and it's not a overnight change.
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If they give you an option to stop exporting if the grid goes negative then it'll be fine. But conversely they should open it up to the user benefitting with greater buyback rates if there's a shortfall.
I do remember i think it was in 2019 when the energy cost went negative and the solar companies were getting charged for every kw they produced, meanwhile the coal power station upped their output to make it worse on the solar providers knowing that the coal station would recover it in the long run.
Shifty coal peeps.