Hi,
I'm looking for a car for mum. I've got it down to two. A 2017 Qashqai or 2018 Ford Escape.
Which one would be better? Base model for both. Similar price. Similar km.
Thanks
Looking for Car: Nissan Qashqai 2017 or Ford Escape 2018
follow on 25/02/2021 - 17:34
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thanks for response. why do you say that? she is on a budget and found these cars.
doesnt mind eitherjust remembered you are a dealer in perth as well. any decent cars you got in the under 25k range?
I'm in new sales - nope!
do you think Vitara better than these options? it's in the price range
@follow: If you are thinking of the Vitara, get the 1.4L with Turbo. I own a 2020 1.4L Turbo and Tested the 1.6L.
1.6L ok to drive around, the 1.4L Turbo feels better to drive and the Vitara's doesn't have a CVT Automatic as well
None of both.
why so?
Both not reliable cars.
how is it compared to asx? that can also be an option
Oh dear
All 3 are average, middle-of-the-road cars. Either you'll have lousy engines with no "go", or features/design that make you go wtf. Or both.
None of them are highly desirable on the used market, which is why you're getting near new cars within budget
Also crappy CVT gearboxes.
@Hybroid: Yeah, at least the 1.5T of the Ford seems to get positive reviews.
But then comments of the A pillar being huge. Which is a personal hatred of mine, having to peer around it at roundabouts
None of them are highly desirable on the used market, which is why you're getting near new cars within budget
That doesn't align with the sales numbers. Mitsubishi has always been a value-oriented brand, yet at present they are offering far more value than brands like Mazda and Toyota which have inflated prices, and in the case of Mazda the cars are overrated with too much buying emphasis placed on design and acceleration, while compromising practicality and versatility compared to other cars in their segment. Speaking from experience with a CX-5.
That doesn't align with the sales numbers.
How doesn't it? Toyota and Mazda are the top 2 brands and have been for a while, with Hyundai and Kia coming next. Mits, Nissan and Ford are pretty far down the rung
@spackbace: Not highly desirable doesn't mean undesirable. The Mazda 3 sales numbers have been falling as they keep adding price premiums every year, however what is keeping their sales up is the introduction of new models. Ford being down the list is expected, they're slowly exiting the market. The other brands aren't actually that far behind.
behind.
But…. they are behind.
Lower down in sales numbers = less sales = less desirable
How is that difficult to comprehend?
If it was popular, it would be the top selling in it's category… Guess what, none of those options are the top selling. This is the reason why they're so much cheaper than the competition on the used car market, at a point in time where many near-new cars are selling for new car prices. But these aren't.
@spackbace: It's not difficult to comprehend. Lower sales numbers, but at higher prices and with less exposure to consumers, causes reduced demand, and the response to that is reduced supply which in turn increases exclusivity further. That mechanism in itself increases prices further as the vehicles are not mass market, however they generally have higher profit margins.
Increasing prices automatically restricts what is called the consumer surplus. Some brands, such as Euro brands, lower down in the top 20 are inherently more exclusive.
Not Qashqai. Get Dualis instead.
Bit long in the tooth now aren't they? I wouldn't trust a CVT that old
Yep. Had to replaced the CVT oil on my former strong old Dualis, at 10 yrs mark. Other than that it was a durable car, with the least recall issues compared to other brands.
Traded it for a new Qashqai 2019, the first 3 months nothing but troubles. Would not recommend Qashqai.
My mum had a Dualis that would have been about the same as yours. CVT went after about 10 years so she got rid of it.
I got a Qashqai when they were first released here in 2014, had it until last year and it didn't miss a beat apart from the seat heater which got done under warranty.
Go Euro or go home
i missed on a 2017 koleos sold moments before me
That's not a Euro
isn't renault french?
@follow: Yes, it’s a euro brand, but it’s made in Korea.
Some bits are same as Nissan Xtrail.
I guess a bit like Toyota, Honda etc a lot are made in countries other than Japan. But they are still a Japanese car.We have had a koleos for years, the current shape one. It’s been a great vehicle and a lot nicer than the xtrail (had the xtrail before it). Was a heap cheaper than xtrail too and servicing was way cheaper.
@follow: Stay away from Euro.
Go for a Toyota, Honda, or Hyundai… whatever is in your budget. I think Kia has longest warranty out of all, so even getting used should be covered for a decent time like some of the new cars.@Kangal: What a ridiculous statement. Volkswagen, Skoda etc are bland, I agree, however Peugeot make vehicles with fantastic interior and exterior design, and practicality, at a price lower than the luxury brands. For example, the Peugeot 5008 costs less than $50K, has heaps of features, 7 seats with a massive boot and 2 rear seats that can be fully removed, and excellent dashboard design.
Whereas Renault make great value vehicles for people who want something different (and they have their vehicles stand on their own merits, such as excellent boot space, cabin space and comfort, and heaps of features). They made a mistake not selling the new Clio here which has the best design & biggest boot in the class, and a new infotainment system.
There are brands like Opel considering a return to Australia - the only good hatches/sedans sold by Holden were produced by them.
@Techie4066: Did you miss the part where he stated their budget is under $25k ? If you're wealthy enough to buy new and replace it after 4-5 years, sure Go Ahead!
Many people aren't. And around the midlife point (sometimes earlier) these Cold-Climate oriented Euro cars start deteriorating under the Hot-Climate of Australia. Then you have mechanics who don't have experience with these machines, parts that have to be special ordered, long-wait times, and large fix costs.
For those reasons, stick to what is going to give you minimum hassel after +5 years and is going to cost you the least upfront. Anything deviating from that, and you're basically choosing based on your subjective preferences.
@Kangal: Did you miss the part where Renault is selling the Kadjar for $29K drive away, new? Volkswagen is doing the same with some vehicles. They have never been considered luxury brands, in fact OP's first choice was the Renault Koleos. Cold climate/warm climate factor is bs, they're all built up to scratch, in fact Renault manufactures some vehicles in the hot Turkey.
You should've gone for the Koleos, they are great cars. Great price and one of the most practical 5 seaters available, with a unique design.
that was the plan 😥
@follow: Anything used available, or interstate? I saw someone else enquiring about it and other Euro SUVs here, who also lives in Perth. They went around to dealerships and were told stock is months away.
@follow: Some dealerships are willing to transfer stock from interstate at no charge. I've heard of it before.
Renault?
Wait, you're not that guy ;)
inside joke? don't get it
Meh or meh. May as well toss a coin.
To your witcher?
The better list:
- Kia Seltos
- Hyundai Kona
- Mazda CX3
- Honda HRVcx3 and kona is too small. others are out of price range
Does she have to buy any of those sizes? What about a sedan? A Toyota (Camry or Corolla) would be cheaper and more reliable. If your mum doesn't have young kids then she might save money to buy a sedan, I think.
she insists on an suv
Found a couple of Kia Seltos S demos at just under $25k drive away with a quick search.
Full disclosure: I have a Seltos Sports+ 2.0l and love it.
Not dissing the others.
A friend had a qashqai for around 3 years. They loved the car, thought it drove nice, and reliable. 2 adults and 2 kids.
Now they have an xtrail as they wanted something a bit bigger now the kids are older. They are happy with that as well.I really love my Qashqai, but am contemplating upgrading to a 7 seater XTrail for flexibility to pick up my children’s friends too.
I got a 2018 Outlander LS for $20k about 9 months ago. Would buy the same again over both the options you suggested in your post.
What about a 2017 Hyundai Tucson? Should be able to get a base model one of them for around the under $25k budget…
i would get those if i could. searched for a bit. couldn't find any in that price range in WA
What is that budget she is on?
Under 25k. 2016 and above. looking for a car with same or close face as the latest
We got a new ASX advertised on runout for 22k…. Not a bad car, but the CVT works but not a fan personally
negotiated? I'd get that but nothing on offer like that atm
@follow: Run out
Mitz website at moment says 27k drive away… you should be able to get 24/25k drive away base model.
Bu its the whole supply and demand issue at moment… they dont have much stock to sell, so hold on harder… but wait till end of month… like right now.
Forester?
out of price range
I just did a quick look on carsales, heaps of options 2016-17 under 100k KMs, well under $20k?
in WA? i didnt see any
Look at Kia Sportage, Kia was top vehicle manufacturer in recent JD Power reliability survey in the USA. JD Power gain their warranty / service data direct from the respective manufacturers . Their rating was for normal vehicles, was only topped by Porsche and Lexus, but each in the prestige segment. The advantage of USA data is that it is a much larger volume of vehicle data compared to Australia, and many are similar vehicles but with the steering wheel on the other side!!. If you want a laugh look at Landrover!.
We had a 2014 Qashqai Ti from new until last year. Didn't particularly like the CVT but overall the car wasn't bad.
Only issue we had in that time was the base pad on the driver's seat heater stopped working on high.
Sold it for a bit over $20k with 150 on the clock from memory. Covid definitely helped as we looked at selling it a year prior and would have struggled to get 17k.I'd definitely recommend her getting a Ti over a base model ST though. A lot better spec'd. Something like this isn't bad buying really. Don't believe the write up though, it's not the right car lol
The Escape hands down.I use to own a Qashqai TI variant,lovely car,absolutely no issues with it,but a bit down on the old herbs.I have just purchased a ZG Escape Titanium,just absolutely stoked with it.Fantastic power in these things(178kw & 345nm) class leading power.Nothing in its class comes near them.Ecoboost engines are pretty bulletproof.All the tech as well.Go & drive one,very impressed with it.Use to own a G6E Ecoboost quite a few years back,the thing went like a scalded cat.Forget anything else in its class,they do not even come close.Ford have also gone back to a traditional torque converter gearbox,so the transmission woes are well & truly behind them.(I would not have gone near one if they had still been using the old box.Diesel though has a DSG box in it.
just found that it is only premium unleaded.😅
I have only used 98 in my cars anyway.95(I believe) will eventually be the default octane.91 is just rubbish.
Second the Ford Escape.
Qashqai 100%, not too heavy, good size and engine, good range of features. Ford SUVs are bland and behind the times, lazy steering and inefficient, and the Ecoboost engines have a liking for spontaneously combusting.
Ford will likely be leaving our market in the next years, their sales numbers keep declining for good reason.
Err,no.That issue was resolved a long time ago.You need to research a bit better.
It was, but I didn't see other manufacturers having specific engines have widespread failures? Why buy a car from a brand that has a proven track record of not helping customers? Ford Australia is a joke.
I have never had an issue with them,in regard to warranty claims,servicing done properly.Have always been looked after.I have a good working relationship with my selling dealers servicing dept.I have had many Fords,without any major dramas,issues.The Escape,is a very reliable SUV.They ditched the dual clutch auto.They now have a traditional torque converter trans.I do not expect any issues @ all.I think you need to look @ other manufacturers issue,they all have problems,period.Ford is certainly not alone.
@Hackney: No issue on our Ford Focus too.
Ford Sync 3 is easily one of the most user friendly GPS/informant system out there. (Comparing to Subaru, Audi, Lexus, BMW, Toyota, Mazda, and Honda that I've used regularly).
The active safety features are also one of the best tuned one too. ("Borrowed" from Volvo when they used to own them).
Such an underrated car, both the Escape and Focus (LZ onward when Ford reverted back to torque convertor).
@[Deactivated]: Mondeo, EcoSport, Endura. The Focus and Mustang will be the next under the axe for Ford Australia. Why would you pay $5K more new than a Cerato, $3K more than an i30, or the same price as a Corolla, for an objectively worse car? Heck, it even makes sense to pay the same price for a Subaru Impreza, arguably the best of the bunch.
The funny thing is that Ford does all of their design and manufacturing in Germany now.
@[Deactivated]: I am fully aware. Person I was replying to was referring to their experience with the Ford Focus.
@Techie4066: M… okay. Well, no issue with the focus at home to far. In fact, now it is the daily driver. Excellent fuel econmy on the 1.5L T, and pretty much fully opt-ed for convenience.
Never had a cerato, cant comment.
When the focus was bought in 16, it was the more complete (equipment, power, fuel economy) car at that price range. Dont think paying rrp is a thing with Ford.
M… okay.
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The anecdote provided by the person I was responding to doesn't really support the case of OP buying a Ford, because their experience with other vehicles that cost less or the same could've been vastly better. That is why I compared the Focus to alternatives.
@[Deactivated]: Sync3 is one of the best out there @ the moment,have it in my GT.Escape is a very much underrated car.It is far better than its equivalents in the same category.Blame Ford for that,they just did not push it hard enough.Stonking engine in it.Trans issues are pretty much behind them now.
@Hackney: Toyota only had DPF issues with the new Hilux, which has been recalled and fixed.
Ford has left many customers in Australia with lemons, without compensation or assistance - this depends on the dealership and Ford Australia. I remember seeing an ACA story covering a few customer's complaints with new cars that have dead engines etc, with repairs costing thousands. The Kuga and other vehicles with various Ecoboost engines were exploding globally. A manufacturer that can't even get engine quality control and engineering correct shouldn't be trusted. Ford Australia axing the Endura is not a good sign, is it? Ford as a company is not keeping pace with the innovation found in Asian and Euro brands.
Dual clutch auto is efficient and smooth when done right - the Euro brands have figured that out. You don't need to look further than the Renault Megane to figure that out.
@Techie4066: The Kuga engines ‘exploding’ globally’,was a fair way back.The issue has been resolved well & truly.As I alluded to,the Escape runs rings around its competitors.If it had a Toyota badge on it,I suspect it would have been one of the best SUVs in the country.It does very well in Europe & the UK.So,stop banging on how bad they are.The Endura,is a very capable & good vehicle.Fords biggest(& stupid) mistake was to not bring in a 7 seater variant.Just plain dumb.They paid the ultimate price,failed sales.As far as innovation goes it is up there with the majority of brands,electrified,Phev etc.They have a lot of tech in their vehicles,very much so.Every manufacturer has issues(yes,shock horror,even Toyota.) they are not alone.
I’ve got a 2015 manual Qashqai and I love it. I’ve never had a day of trouble from it, except from some issues with my rear camera.
You still have it! Good see you are having no issues with it.We sold ours last year.
We sold ours last year.
Why did you sell it?
What was wrong with it?
Nothing,just wanted a change.
Which one would be better?
What colours are they?
do you pick cars based on colour? there are different colours mostly white and blue.
do you pick cars based on colour?
My wife does…
haha true, but should be fine unless it's too out there like pink or yellow
c) neither
Which does she prefer?