Need Suggestion in Job Hunting - IT

Lrozerthat on 16/02/2021 - 09:46

Hi Fellas,

I have been working in the industry for the past 4 years and possess knowledge in Cloud, Computer Network and Security. I currently have CCNA and CCNP. My Current Employer is a D******D. He doesn't want to review my salary coz he's needs money to spend on his fancy CARS and feed bunch for Sales People. From my experience you should never work for an individual rather a corp. For the past few months I have been applying for jobs related to Cyber Security and Cloud but not much luck. Got a interview with one, only to find out they were looking to an experienced one to work at their Help desk answering calls and doing a bit of desktop support LOL. From an own research, it pertains unless I have certs in Security or cloud it would be hard for me to get in. What are your thoughts on it?

Thanks

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Comments

  • Bargain80 on 16/02/2021 - 09:54
    +13

    You'll be surprised that Corporation is not significantly better.

    • rozerthat on 16/02/2021 - 10:02
      +1

      They have tools and business processes to do carry out day to day work. Here it's a mess coz its a family business and capital restrictions. I feel when you have worked for big corp and you don't want burn outs then you can fall back on these companies on a more senior role.

      • apsilon on 16/02/2021 - 10:35
        +3

        I've worked in IT for everything from self employed to small business, through medium, national and household name multinationals. There's little to no difference. They can all have PITA management and staff, they all have budgets (maybe official and KPI vs just can't afford it but bottom line is no spend) and they can all be a complete mess, even the ones with supposed processes for everything. If anything the larger the corp the bigger the pain because you'll find people in management positions that don't actually want to make a decision and risk getting it wrong and processes over ride the work. I used to spend easily 30% of my time just on admin for business process/performance/KPI stuff rather than doing actual IT work. At least with a smaller business it's easier to speak directly with the top of the food chain and have a chance of sorting an issue. The grass is always greener as they say.

  • spook290 on 16/02/2021 - 09:58
    +2

    Cybersecurity is competitive, what are you working as now?

    Are you going to meetups & networking? Or just applying online? You might find it tough to stand out by just relying on your resume, knowledge doesn't equal experience which a lot of employers will be looking for.

    A lot of people I've seen make the move have been experienced System Admin/Engineer, done some upskilling & certs, then taken a slight step back to get experience.

    • rozerthat on 16/02/2021 - 10:07
      +1

      I am working as a network engineer for the past 3 years and also have fundamental understanding of security from a Firewall and IDS point of view. For now i am just applying online through LinkedIn and Seek. Happy to take a step back, I can take two forward in no time.

      • Icecold5000 on 16/02/2021 - 10:10

        If you get another job you will have to go through a probation period again. Jobkeeper ends in March and the economy might fall off a cliff. In this environment i would be risk adverse since you could be let go without any redundancy entitlements.

  • conan2000 on 16/02/2021 - 10:00

    I'd suggest you definitely need to look at some certs in whichever of those fields you want to work in. There is a lot of competition on the market for jobs there, and despite their being a "skills shortage", that's generally only at the experienced level, not at the entry level, which is where a lot of employers would see you unless you have specialised in Cloud/Security previously.

    We get a lot of people applying for entry level grad roles in cyber security and they already have a bunch of relevant certifications/courses which even if they don't say much on their own, it does show a willingness to learn and push themselves into the field, it will be hard to get your CV above them.

    What we do see, is that people looking to transition their career from IT/Support/Networking roles into security will be viewed quite favourable to a grad with no experience (if they have the certifications to show they are trying to change paths), but you may have to accept a short term drop in pay to make the move as well.

    • rozerthat on 16/02/2021 - 10:11

      Thanks, I started working as a NOC engineer and then transition over to Network Engineer (after getting my certs). Over the past 3 and half years i have gained reasonable amount of experience in infrastructure and Computer networks as a whole. I have also setup, configured, monitor and tshoot Firewall and IDS. I have already booked Security+ exam for next week. What Certs do you suggest?

      • conan2000 on 16/02/2021 - 10:24
        +1

        Do you know what area of cyber security you want to go into?

        E.g. Pen Testers you'd be best looking at OSCP/OSCE

        Security Management - CISSP/CISM

        Security Architecture - SABSA

        There are countless others as well. Security+ I haven't seen a lot of in Australia, from what I gather it's an entry level/general security cert, and more popular in the states, but definitely can't do any harm having it.

        • rozerthat on 16/02/2021 - 10:26

          Thanks, I had a look at OSCP but the thing is I wanted to work in the field before getting certs, looks unlikely as of now.

          • conan2000 on 16/02/2021 - 10:32
            +1

            @rozerthat: Yeah, almost definitely has to be the other way around these days. It shows a base level of skill to obtain it, plenty other people looking for these roles will have it, so you're at a disadvantage straight away without it.

  • pharkurnell on 16/02/2021 - 10:08
    +2

    He doesn't want to review my salary coz he's needs money to spend on his fancy CARS and feed bunch for Sales People.
    Thats just about anywhere now…
    I work for a multinational and they could give a shit about people leaving due to poor pay and over working them to the bone.

    • SF3 on 16/02/2021 - 10:14

      Yes, Fooled by Randomness.

  • SF3 on 16/02/2021 - 10:14

    Grasshopper.

  • Cheaplikethebird on 16/02/2021 - 10:15
    -4

    Sounds like you don't know how to kiss ass properly.

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  • paulh1977 on 16/02/2021 - 10:15
    +3

    Get some certs under your belt to support your experience. Network like hell, don't forget the Sydney IT world is actually quiet small in comparison to other cities/countries. Line up some coffees with good recruiters who specialize in IT. They will be able to give you a guide on roles, salary etc.

  • rollin on 16/02/2021 - 10:36
    +3

    Contacts > Experience > certs.

    Meet as many contacts as possible. Get some certs but they are a more of a tick the box exercise. All else fails, apply for AWS. they have a large turnover and are always looking for people. Once in, you can generally move around.

    P.S dont forget we are in the middle of a pandemic. Most dont expect pay rises anytime soon and just appreciate a job. You also have to realise Sales is very different to the technical side. Way more money spent on the sales side normally.

  • mskeggs on 16/02/2021 - 10:48
    +6

    Also, if you are applying via a written process, ask somebody with good written skills to review your application. There are a number of errors in your post and comments that would count against you if your application was in a big pile with others that don’t have them.

  • whooah1979 on 16/02/2021 - 10:51
    +1

    CCNA and CCNP

    These are pretty old. Every man and their dog have a few of them collecting dust.

    People should look into a nascent industry that has been growing and growing for the past decade. Follow the money.

    • rozerthat on 17/02/2021 - 10:55

      LOL..I feel the same. Thanks for your feedback mate.

  • 87percent on 16/02/2021 - 10:54
    +1

    Also, make sure your LinkedIn profile is up to date. Even though I’m not actively looking, I’ve had a couple of asking if I was interested in a position

  • Drakesy on 16/02/2021 - 11:52
    +2

    Kudos to you for going out to the job market when your employer won't give you a pay rise.

    It's been a recurring trend of people asking employers on here for pay rises and getting knocked backed, yet not willing to go out to the job market for leverage.

    Wage growth has been zero for years now, while business profits have never been higher, along with executive pay packets. Unfortunately pay rises are becoming few and far between. With job applications, its a numbers game. I would've applied for in excess of 65 positions prior to getting my first grad interview. Honestly do the hard yards and you'll be rewarded, don't pigeonhole yourself into one industry.

    • rozerthat on 16/02/2021 - 12:11

      Thanks mate!

  • Hardlyworkin on 16/02/2021 - 12:17
    +3

    It would be interesting to get your employer's perspective on your work.

    Also, it might be best to not only ask for advice from 'fellas' and work on your written communication skills.

    • davide14 on 17/02/2021 - 13:13

      Also if he owns the business he can spend his money how he wants. Sales people generate the income that keeps the business going so you have to pay them accordingly. If you don't directly generate revenue, even if your role in IT/security is vital, then your overhead. If you want more money from your current role you need to expand on what you do and your worth to the business. If it is a mess then improve. If its disorganised then organise it. Working for a large corporate makes you dispensable but making yourself more valuable to a smaller business makes you indispensable.

      I worked for a business run by an individual, who loved cars, for 10 years and I found pay rises came down to skill + attitude. When asked to do things I always said yes I can help/do/etc. Some individuals complained they didn't get pay rises but were inflexible, didn't want to interact with customers, didn't want to go outside the scope of their role as they saw it, were difficult to work with, etc.

  • bweiss on 17/02/2021 - 12:13
    +1

    If you're looking to perform work in the Cybersecurity field then you need some form of certification.
    In the corporate space cybersecurity is mostly about meeting requirements for insurance purposes.
    If you have someone doing cybersecurity work for you, but you can't prove that they know what they are doing (by an independent certification) then the insurance organisations won't consider that person as competent.
    This also applies for consultants.. if you run a consulting company, but your employees don't have cybersecurity certifications, customers simply will not accept them to perform cybersecurity work.

    I personally think that any certification that has the term 'hacker' in it is really just a w@nk-fest… but in the IT realm something from Cisco is probably ok, in the OT realm then something from ISA..

    • rozerthat on 17/02/2021 - 12:59

      Thanks mate, appreciate your two cents.

  • ECE on 17/02/2021 - 13:06
    +2

    You sound well competent so why don’t you work for yourself and put to good use your credentials?

    • rozerthat on 17/02/2021 - 13:19
      +1

      It is something that I have in my mind long term but don't know where to start and how to? Initially thought of starting off by selling hardware and build a good will, then expand on to services over time. However, haven't put anything to motion. Your suggestions are welcomed.

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