Just noticed these are Half price. Pretty good.
There's also burger patty, but I haven't tried yet.
https://www.woolworths.com.au/shop/productdetails/65260/movi…
Not sure if in all stores. Check your local
Moving Mountains Plant Based Hot Dogs 240g Was $9, Now $4.50 @ Woolworths
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And imagine these started at $12 per pack full price = $50/kg (now $9 is the "usual" price I think)
Bit rude someone negged you.
There's completely valid, a basic product that is supposed to be equivalent shouldn't be 8 times the price.
I didn't neg the comment, but surely they are not comparable products. One is meat-based, one is plant-based.
yeah haha I think that vegans and vegetarians don't eat meat or something…
but surely they are not comparable products.
They are trying awfully hard though to make them look and taste like meat…
Maybe if they priced them like meat, they'd sell more…
@jv: I think they are trying to make them look like hot dogs (not meat).
I suppose that is something about having a product that is encased for cooking.I don't think we can really even compare 'meat' with 'hot dogs'. My (extremely limited) research suggests that common 'meat'-type hot dog ingredients include meat trimmings and fat (e.g. mechanically separated meat, pink slime, meat slurry, etc.), flavourings, and preservatives.
they are trying to make them look like hot dogs (not meat).
a wiener or frankfurter sausage then…
@jv: Again, my (very limited) research suggests that a 'hot dog' or 'hotdog' is a food consisting of a grilled or steamed sausage served in a bread roll or slice.
That seems to be consistent with this product.@jv: But it isn't, is it.
Sure, traditional sausages include some meat 'products', along with other ingredients, fillers, extenders.
But it isn't purely meat.Is lasagne 'meat'?
Is a pie 'meat'?@jv: Just going in circles here; I've already told you what the ingredients for a meat-based hot dog are, and it surely is not 'purely meat'.
I've already told you what the ingredients for a meat-based hot dog are, and it surely is not 'purely meat'.
A hot dog is meat based sausage.
Doubt you'll find any sausages that are 100% meat.
@jv: Again, going in circles, I have already told you that a hot dog is a food consisting of a grilled or steamed sausage served in a bread roll or slice.
I disagree that it has to be meat (and, as you say, traditionally is almost certainly not 100% meat).I have already told you that a hot dog is a food consisting of a grilled or steamed sausage
and a sausage is made of meat, therefore a hot dog is a meat product…
@jv: Sausages have never been 100% meat.
Hot dogs can contain many different parts of many different animals (it depends what your definition of 'meat' is), but they also include preservatives, spices, starch, fats, corn syrup, and water.
@GG57: This guy (jv) supposedly received a scholarship yet now is approaching 80,000 posts on a discussion forum.
I'm not sure continuing the discussion is a productive use of your time.
@GG57: Not sure why you're arguing about it being compared to the meat alternative. The label says Hot Dog, Which is always going to be compared to other Hot Dogs…
@brandogs: I agree that some people (i.e. non-vegetarians, non-vegans, etc.) will automatically do that, but I argue they are wrong in doing so.
This is a different product, aimed at a different market segment.This is a different product, aimed at a different market segment.
It's not a hot dog though…
It's like claiming there is vegan cheese…
sausage
/ˈsɒsɪdʒ/
noun
an item of food in the form of a cylindrical length of minced pork or other meat encased in a skin, typically sold raw to be grilled or fried before eating.
@jv: @jv if you can legitimately say that your biggest problem with this product is that it calls itself something that it most closest resembles and you don't agree; I don't think there's any actual problem beyond your bizarre hangup.
this product is that it calls itself something
It is misleading and deceptive and should not be sold in the meat section of the supermarket.
@jv: It isn't sold in the meat section at my local Coles or Woolies, they both have distinct sections that don't spoil the sanctity of meat. Ask yourself: why would they do that when appealing to vegetarians?
If you've accidentally bought this product that's more on you than any perceived misleading intent or false.
advertising. Just a mildly embarrassing lack of awareness on the buyers part.It isn't sold in the meat section at my local Coles or Woolies
I hope not because other vegetarian products are, trying to fool people into thinking they are meat…… Argued with the checkout chick about these when she wanted me to pay for them…
@GG57: Curious if these do much better on the health front? Binders and emulsifiers are pretty bad for gut health.
@pinchies: No idea, but I'm not aware they are being marketed as being any healthier?
Even the meat-based versions have ingredients that don't sound particularly good for gut health perhaps:
Acidity Regulators (325, 262), Emulsifiers (451, 450, 452), Dextrose (Tapioca, Maize), Antioxidants (316, 307b), Hydrolysed Vegetable Protein (Maize), Maltodextrin (Maize), Garlic, Fermented Red Rice, Sodium Nitrite (250), Yeast Extract, Spice Extracts, Colours (160c,110, 129)Maybe a dietician can advise.
as a relatively new product, it is obviously more expensive to produce. it's only a matter of time before it's cheaper and more feasible to replace meat with products like this.
They are expensive but the challenge with plant based options is always cost. Hopefully we get there especially with labgrown meat but for now, having these types of deals will allow us to slightly reduce our contribution to climate change.
Ps. Billion dollar idea - Develop a supplement for cows that will reduce their burps and farts.
Ps. Billion dollar idea - Develop a supplement for cows that will reduce their burps and farts.
And keep them high and dissociated when all the stressful shit is happening to them.
Develop a supplement for cows that will reduce their burps and farts.
These products aren't solving the problem anyway…
Instead of cows contributing to climate change, now it will be people !!!
Being vegetarian makes 3 fifths of bugger all difference to 'climate change', not that we can do anything about that anyway. If everyone went vegetarian overnight we'd need 5 times the current amount of arable land to support it, which would be an environmental disaster. Vegans need to understand that there is a very good reason why humans consume meat - it's energy dense, so requires a lot less for the same effect (and less impact on the environment).
And what's the idea with making non-meat products look like meat anyhow? You never see the meat marketing board producing hot dogs that look like a carrot.
Vegans need to understand that there is a very good reason why humans consume meat - it's energy dense, so requires a lot less for the same effect
Not only that, but Vegans eat considerably more legumes and contribute far more green house methane than non-Vegans…
Not only that, but Vegans eat considerably more legumes and contribute far more green house methane than non-Vegans…
Are we still joking or now propagating some BS with smart-looking words?
If the first, there's no reason to spell "vegans" with a capital letter. They're not Reptilians.
If the first, there's no reason to spell "vegans" with a capital letter. They're not Reptilians.
Not all Vegans agree with you…
@jv: Apart from headings, which are all capitalised, I don't see any attempts to override the standard grammar on that website. Just curious what you mean.
@redler: i could be wrong but this doesnt sound right. are you including the arable land needed to grow the feed that the farmed animals consume? i thought that was a major use of land/water?
@redler: Bullsh.t. This [bar chart](https://ourworldindata.org/agricultural-land-by-global-diets might dent your confidence and improve your knowledge at the same time. There's plenty more info on environmental and related costs (land, feed, water, energy use and return etc) costs of meat V plant production if you're actually interested.
Billion dollar idea - Develop a supplement for cows that will reduce their burps and farts.
Sorry, you won't make any money with this idea. The total number of cows has already peaked, it is on track to be about 50% of current numbers within 10 years, and then 50% less again in the 5 years after that.
It is not only possible to make commerical-grade beef and dairy without cows, it's actually inevitable and getting cheaper every day. Our grandchildren won't remember what meat is.
Exactly this.
A cow is a meat-printer. It's just a really lousy design.
Any animal raised for meat or dairy is a machine for turning sunlight, air and water into tasty protein… after the sunlight has been pre-processed by a bunch of plants.
In that sense, all meat is plant-based (suck on that, meatheads). If you don't start with plants, the cattle just starve to death which seems a bit pointless.
The problem is that cows (and pigs, goats, deer, chickens etc) were designed pretty haphazardly, and were not initially designed to maximise efficiency of protein synthesis from the plant material they ingest. They produce a bunch of by-products that we mostly don't need (shit, piss, eyeballs, feet, ovaries, thoughts, suffering etc).
In time, we'll work out how to cut out the 'middle-machine' and generate steaks straight from the source material without having to process everything through an animal that hasn't done anything to merit what's done to them at the end of their lives.
Our grandchildren will know what meat is, precisely because we will be able to fabricate it less expensively than we do now. Protein will be ubiquitous, cheap and genuinely cruelty-free.
They will just be horrified at the way we used to obtain it by ripping gentle animals to pieces after torturing them for a fraction of their normal lives.
(In much the same way: kids still know what horses are, even though the (ab)use of horses for industrial labour largely ended a hundred years ago. The average horse nowadays is pretty pampered - especially in the West - compared to its early-20th-century counterpart).
@Diogenes: Well, when that stuff is on the shelf, it's safe, it's cheap and it tastes exactly like that perfect t-bone, I'll happily buy it. But until the protein nirvana you promise actually exists, I'll continue to eat real meat. But please understand that industrial harvesting of crops also causes a lot of innocent animal deaths. You're not somehow morally superior because you're switched on to vegetables.
But please understand that industrial harvesting of crops also causes a lot of innocent animal deaths. You're not somehow morally superior because you're switched on to vegetables.
Your perspective is on a par with your knowledge. Pretty much all human activity results in animal deaths. Most activities however don't actually have slaughter as their end game, it's a collateral effect, so your statement is classic false equivalence. Time you learnt the difference between incidental death and mass slaughter.
@[Deactivated]: Well I'm not entirely convinced that the animals that die as 'collateral effect' would take great comfort from the distinction. And it's time you learnt that 'slaughter' is not the end game, as you assert. The end game is food for consumption and survival of the species which is perfectly moral and acceptable - unless you're not into survival.
Well I'm not entirely convinced that the animals that die as 'collateral effect' would take great comfort from the distinction.
Good to see you get something right, although you appear to have once again missed the false equivalence of your previous comment We can presume you don't have even the faintest notion of the number of animals slaughtered for human consumption every year. Try google, it's free.
And it's time you learnt that 'slaughter' is not the end game, as you assert. The end game is food for consumption and survival of the species which is perfectly moral and acceptable - unless you're not into survival.
And here I was thinking that millions of animals are slaughtered for human consumption every year. I guess most are road kill or just accidentally run into sharp instruments in purpose-built buildings, and having been dispatched, go to heaven or are reincarnated as human pathogens to balance the karma.
Here's another light bulb moment for you - to go with your newfound understanding of the facts of land use and livestock environmental degradation (/s). It's common knowledge, although not in your circles obviously.
Humans can happily survive without meat, and certainly with FAR less intake of same.
Billion dollar idea - Develop a supplement for cows that will reduce their burps and farts.
You haven't heard about CSIRO et al's seaweed supplementpresumably?
Haha that was a joke but wow they're really working on it.
I will sue them for stealing my idea
@[Deactivated]: Haha not sure if you know so I am just going to say: I was joking (both about the supplement and about suing them). I was trying to be funny but I am probably not since too many people took my comment seriously. Bright side though is that you were able to inform me that someone is actually working on it so thanks for that!
They always seem to be out of stock for this in my area!
Bummer. Order $100 worth for delivery? ;)
If stores have no stock, distribution centre probably had no stock. Delivery will likely be cancelled
In b4 the ironic comment about these hot dogs not containing meat
Well they don't contain dog either so it's just deception all around
They're also not hot. They're sold refrigerated ffs.
Calling ACCC now…
Chock full of lies - that's what they are….! You don't need to cook them either. Boiling them in water just heats them up to make them more palatable.
What a brand name…
Moving Mountains - is that the effect of eating these on your next bowel movement?Nah, it's an English idiom and they refer to the task of withstanding all the laboured jokes about vegans/vegetarians.
"(Love can) move mountains"…
Yes I am well aware of it. But what has it got to to with sausages? A strange branding choice to sell expensive food.Am sure all buyers in supermarkets automatically think of obscure old English idioms when making purchases of sausages!
So what did buyers think of when buying brand names like "Coon"? (Now being removed after years of denying any unfortunate association.)
There are jokes about vegans / vegetarians?
You must tell us some!I believe they mean changing society's meat-eating habits, which seems to be a one tall order.
@pizzaguy: Yes, that is a belief!
But the reality is… so many in countries that previously could eat little or no meat are changing rapidly to meat eating.
Talking with uni graduates in China in the 90's, they aspired to eat Western fast foods like KFC & lots of meat.Only relatively wealthy people can afford meat alternative convenience foods. It's a luxury food price, but lacks a luxury taste.
So it really changes little except possibly those people's health (but since when is eating any processed food like sausages healthy?) & thoughts about themselves.
This product just reminds people of what they are missing out on - the real thing. So why pay more for less taste.
Just try tastier & healthier vegetarian / vegan food instead.
Businesses are just cashing in on meat alternatives to make a profit based on people's beliefs. The owner of this company values the business at approximately $180 million.
All these vegan paying 10x just to say they have better morals
never understood vegan and vegetarian versions of meat.
If you dont want to eat meat, why do you weant to eat a fake version of it?
There are great vegan and vegetarian meals. They often take time to prepare & aren't fast convenience foods.
That's the main advantage of sausages - fast food you can hold in one hand.
And you can blend in with the meat eaters without having to explain you don't eat meat. Not everyone wants to loudly announce "I'm Vegan!".
Was at a political BBQ event with a choice of vegan or meat sangers - no one ate the artificial looking vegan ones as they just looked unattractive & unlike sausages on the BBQ. No one wanted to take then home & even the dogs rejected them.
Pretty silly question isn't it? :/
I've asked a well known Ozbargainer (a vegetarian) the same question. Why do non-meat eaters want food that looks like meat based food?
I don't think he appreciated my genuine question.
He was promoting vegetarian food, selling it at a festival. I pointed to much more interesting & tasty vegetable based foods.
It's a matter of convenience, of what could be quickly cooked, sold, & what the potential customers wanted.
I'm by no means Vegan, but definitely see the multitude of answers to that very question.
@MBix: It's replicating a quick food we are used to rather than trying new foods. And at a much higher price!!
@INFIDEL: I think for the most part that's the key but also tastes can play a big factor. But end of the day it's just different for every person. But you're right as far as hot dog and burger patties go too, there are rolls and buns to make it easier to eat too!
@MBix: Taste of sausages is a lot from the caramelized outside, & often the charring. Replicating that taste is harder in non-meat food.
A lot of supermarket sales are based on what to feed children, usually at a low price. Convenience, price, & acceptability to 'fussy eaters' are primary concerns for many parents.
Cheap white bread, cheap bland sausages, lots of cheap sauce (& maybe onions) - the perfect quick supermarket (or Bunnings) meal!
Sausage alternatives fit all those buying conditions but the price. So the likely buyers will be adults moving away from meat, who can afford the relatively high price.
At age 14, I was taken off any meats after my Father had a major heart attack - possibly due to our family's high meat based diet. So look-alike vegetarian foods were easy to replace the meat foods. Ate quite a few lentil burgers - the main fast food available. Never missed the fast foods. So many years later only eat as a rare quick meal.
Some people still crave meat but don't want to eat it for their own ethical reasons. I eat meat but don't crave it so i can't imagine the mental turmoil, but each to their own.
Russel Brand is vegan or vegetarian and explains how he sees it:. https://youtu.be/Tvi5S6gg33k
@rodericb: The owner of this business said he set it up after needing to change his diet due to high cholesterol.
But he already had an eco detergent business, so I think that's more spin. He seems very focussed on profits & value of his $180M business.Craving foods - often the smell, then the taste is common. Jewish friends used to crave bacon. The mere whiff of coffee is too much for some.
Only trouble with giving in to cravings, alternatives can be disappointing.
Forbidding foods may lead to cravings, then having it more often. It's a very human trait.
I just have small amounts of meat as a treat - preferring vegetables & low processed foods. That's typical of most Asian food.
10 minutes of the "Thoughts of Brand" is too much for me.
@INFIDEL: Yeah, everyone has their own reasons to (or not) do it. The Russel Brand link was due to how he conducts himself as a vegan, that is he doesn't really care if people are vegan, vegetarian or whatever and he doesn't evangelise veganism. I would suppose it changes when someone can make a buck out of it! It's the virtuous position which people love to take which annoys me, especially when they display other attributes of their life which are diametrically opposed to the reasons for their activism.
@rodericb: I've travelled & lived overseas in areas where being vegetarian is normal. It's religious or cultural.
I've been vegetarian & a meat eater at different times. It's no big deal for me. It's a personal choice with health, financial, ethical & other implications.
It's a personal choice.People promoting their own choice as necessary for everyone, usually treat others with disrespect.
That certainly does not mean all vegans & vegetarians are like that! Most I know are great.
But a vegan I spent many hours talking with, a Vegan campaigner at festivals, justified his horrific abuse of a woman - because she eats meat, so deserved it!
Such ignorance while claiming to be aware! I never want to meet a person like that again. But he was not a typical Vegan!Similar to some prothletising strong religious or political beliefs. Strong beliefs can be refuges for people who want to control everything.
And like with strong religious beliefs, there's a lot of money to be made with the right products!
It's pretty simple. It's the taste without all the animal abuse and suffering and also environmental impacts.
It's the taste without all the animal abuse
Most farmers do not abuse their animals…
Most farmers do not abuse their animals…
Yeah… about that, a cow has to be constantly pregnant to give milk, you know.
You don't need to beat or shag a cow to abuse it, no matter how new or funny it sounds to some.
a cow has to be constantly pregnant to give milk
Nothing to do with hot dogs (unless you're also ordering a milkshake…)
They can usually be trained to
That would go against nature though… Just like a vegan hot dog…
@jv: The "Bible" is full of things we should not do because they go against nature…
Apparently I'm going to Hell😉The "Bible" is full of things we should not do because they go against nature…
Wasn't Jesus a vegan ?
@jv: So those sandals were made of what?
And those references to eating fish - were to fish alternatives?So those sandals were made of what?
PU sacrificial lamb…
And those references to eating fish
He died shortly after eating it…
@jv: Oh you aren't even trying!
There are very old plant based alternatives in making sandals. I've made rice straw sandals in the mountains of Japan.
Met a 72yo Yamabushi (山伏) (religious "mountain man") there who proudly told me he had walked 600 miles on mountain paths in his.PU leather took a little longer to be developed. Required a lot of lambs to be sacrificed!
Eating fish is not vegan.
The consequences are obviously dire😉
What would you call it when the animals are penned up in the back of a truck for the trip to slaughter? If that's not abuse, let's hope your kids get to experience it.
By all means close your mind to the fact that the last hours of these animals' lives is spent in terror - with no idea what awaits them… and then a building that stinks of death.
The fact that you pretend to be oblivious in order to attempt to score puerile zero-value internet debating points, says more about you than it does about anything.
The immorality of eating meat has been understood since Pythagoras, Zeno, Epicurus and Theophrastus, and down to the present day. (It says bad things about me that I still eat some meat - but I am not such a moral fraud that I would defend my actions).
Also, you're an historical ignoramus - on a par with most Americans, frankly.
Look up the etymology of the word "meat", you dill. (Do the same for the French 'viande': you'll get an identical story).
The original meaning of the word was any food - it was not until the 13th century that the word started to mean "animal flesh prepared for consumption", but even in Shakespeare (and in the KJV) the word "meat" usually just means "food".
I'm not a vegetarian but I would consider meat alternatives for the reduced environmental impact if they tasted close enough and were similarly priced. Taste is getting there so I'm waiting for price which I assume will go down as the segment grows.
Why go for such a processed food if that is important to you? There are so many great tasting vegetable based foods.
I've been eating far less processed vegetarian food for decades - the price of convenience plant based foods hasn't fallen in my experience.
Unfortunately soya production is having huge environment impact on the Amazon basin & potential global warming!
I prefer the taste of meat. Unfortunately I wouldn't really consider those other vegetable based foods as a substitute at all.
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Still $18.75/Kg, which means at full price they are charging $37.50/Kg 😬
Compared to meat hotdogs at $5/Kg