Advice Needed for a RTX 3070 Gaming PC Build

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  Stucgm on 30/10/2020 - 20:44

  +1

  This looks like a really nice build! (I might be a little biased, mine is pretty much identical in every specification except 9700k and 3600Mhz memory).

  I'm not a CPU expert, but I would lean towards the i7-10700F for your choice. (I believe) this will give the best gaming performance, with the 3600 being (I believe) a slightly better choice for non-gaming functions.

  Memory and SSD look good to me, the only suggestion might be to go for a higher clock speed memory (3600Mhz), but it ultimately won't make too much of a difference. I think it will end up being a nice PC.

  Enjoy your new H1!

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    ghostdom on 30/10/2020 - 21:28

    thanks for the advice. I do more lean towards a I7 build.

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  mizx on 30/10/2020 - 20:51

  i5 10600KF ($359) + ASRock Z490M-ITX/ac ($279) = $638

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    ghostdom on 30/10/2020 - 21:29

    would such a small case be ok for some cpu overclocking? might be a silly question. just wonder. thanks for the advice.

    also a fixed 650W psu can handle?

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    ghostdom on 30/10/2020 - 21:38

    also, I did look at the Asrock z490M. but seems review of it does not sound well.

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      mizx on 30/10/2020 - 21:43

      650W can handle both fine. This Asrock one is a budget one, the next decent one is the $449 MSi one.

      For overclocking, depends on your tolerance to noise and temperatures.

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  iamapineapple on 30/10/2020 - 20:53

  +4

  If you are willing to wait, I would very strongly recommend being patient until November 5th when new gen Ryzen will be released - if you have kept up to date with the news, Ryzen will now be the fastest gaming chip at a cheaper price than intel, breaking that old mantra that @Stugm alluded to.

  Further, if you do buy an intel cpu from the suggestion above, you are buying into a dead-end platform. 11th gen will only be supported on the Z490 chipset, so you have little, if any, room to upgrade with your B460 choice.

  My opinion would be to choose the AMD B550 board but you have chosen an unnecessarily expensive one unless you are (really) serious about overclocking…you can get cheaper B550 boards. This choice will allow you to upgrade at least one (maybe two) generations. Also any reason to stick to mini-iTX?

  Edit: sorry some more suggestions, if you are set on spending that much on a motherboard, then I would recommend at least upgrading to the 3600x - better overclocking support, and does not come with a cooler - which you won't need with your AIO.

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    ghostdom on 30/10/2020 - 21:36

    I will surely consider wait for the 5th Nov. of amd announcement. but let's say if I change the option 3 3600 into 3600x pairing with the B550, which will end up same price as option 2. then which will be a better deal here?

    as for the mini itx, I just growing so much on the nzxt H1 and it will suits well in my current setup on the table.

    also could you please share me some light, for similar price between option 1 and 4, which seems more good at gaming 1440p.

    thanks.

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    [Deactivated] on 31/10/2020 - 07:20

    I would very strongly recommend being patient until November 5th when new gen Ryzen will be released - if you have kept up to date with the news, Ryzen will now be the fastest gaming chip at a cheaper price than intel, breaking that old mantra that @Stugm alluded to.

    presumably what you meant is 5600X? this is what I still don't quite grasp the idea of AMD launching 5600X particularly if we compare that to 3600/3600X, the performance pretty much comparable.

    5600X vs 3600/3600X

    Cores/Threads: 6/12 vs 6/12.
    Base Clock (GHz): 3.7 vs 3.6 (3600X is 3.8).
    Boost Clock (GHz): 4.6 vs 4.2 (3600X is 4.4).
    L2+L3 Cache (MB): 35 vs 35.
    Package: AM4 vs AM4.
    CMOS/Package: TSMC 7nm vs TSMC 7nm.
    TDP (W): 65 vs 65 (3600X is 95)..
    Price (AUD $): ~450 vs ~300 (3600X is ~350).

    to me, it is no-brainer, 3600 seems to be sufficient. I don't know but I don't feel the price difference justify the performance gap.

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      iamapineapple on 31/10/2020 - 19:09

      +2

      Unfortunately you cannot compare number like this as you are comparing chips between architectural generations - Zen 2 (3600x) vs Zen 3 (5600x) represents a new architectural design from AMD. What is important is the IPC (information per clock) gain which is cited to be between 15-19% higher when comparing the 3600x vs 5600x - this is a HUGE performance uplift, the like which has NOT been seen since at least 2003 when AMD launched Athlon 64 or potentially the first Sandy Bridge chips from Intel.

      to me, it is no-brainer, 3600 seems to be sufficient. I don't know but I don't feel the price difference justify the performance gap.

      I don't necessarily disagree with this, the 3600 would certainly be sufficient, but I don't think you are getting the bang for your buck…prices for old hardware has not dropped despite all of these new announcements and I feel saving your money now will get you easily 75% of the way to one of the new chips!

      Just my $0.02

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  garetz on 30/10/2020 - 21:08

  Wait for the new ryzen, will be best bang for the buck.

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  This Guy on 31/10/2020 - 00:29

  +1

  The smallest PSU I have found in a review for your card is 850W. While the 3070 doesn't clock high enough for power quality to be an issue like the 3080/3090, LTT reported tripping short circuit protections with 650W PSU's in their founders edition 3070 review.

  I would consider a different mini itx case, one with better air flow. As far as I can tell their are no intakes on the H1 mini ITX, meaning it will work more like an oil heater compared to a space heater (ie very poorly).

  I would wait for the 5600X. Passmark has it as 24% to 28% faster than the 3600 and 10700F respectively (yes, that seems wrong)

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  ghostdom on 31/10/2020 - 11:16

  hi folks,

  thanks for all the advice. very helpful indeed.

  I have completed my build as below:

  CPU: I7 10700f $449 mwave
  MB: Gigabyte GA-Z490I-AORUS-ULTRA $329 skycomp
  RAM: Corsair vengeance 16GB 3600mhz $119 mwave
  GPU: Gigabyte RTX 3070 gaming OC $1069 mwave
  SSD: Samsung Evo 970 1TB NVMe 1.3 M.2 $189 mwave
  CASE: NZXT H1 $629 mwave

  so total: $2784

  I know the techfast 3080 build is more value. but just sick of the waiting and so loving the H1 mini itx case.

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    iamapineapple on 06/11/2020 - 02:38

    +2

    big man, in case you didn't pull the trigger yet, PLEASE go out and get yourself a Ryzen 5600x - the CPU has released as well as the reviews, Intel legitimately just got decimated. You will be going backwards if you buy the 10700f. Available on PCCG at least and is in-stock. I will try to snag one myself tomorrow.

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  iamapineapple on 03/02/2021 - 00:58

  Hey Ghostdom! I can't believe I still remember that you wanted to get a H1 but I just wanted to let you know about a new recall for the NZXT H1 - the PCIe riser cable in the H1 has a chance of catching fire. I just wanted to do my due diligence to my common man and let you know.

  This blog post has instructions on how to temporarily treat it, if you hade not done so already —> https://blog.nzxt.com/details-on-h1-case-safety-issue/

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  MJi on 03/02/2021 - 08:31

  3600 with 3070 VS 5600x with 3060ti
  In some titles, the latter wins. Check this video: https://youtu.be/KL63dwnxqVg
  None of those tested games utilize 100% all cores. So it's not simply CPU bottlenecked. It's the single core performance that matters in those games.

  So think about it when you choose your cpu.