Huggies Diapers from Amazon Are Made in China - I'm Annoyed

Lroozmik on 20/10/2020 - 11:13
Last edited 20/10/2020 - 15:18

On Amazon Prime day, there was a deal on Huggies diapers that a lot of people jumped on as they were really cheap.

I just had a look on the boxes and found out they were made in China.

I feel annoyed about this as I'm trying to avoid buying things from China.. in particular any food & baby products.
Previous Huggies diapers I bought were made in Singapore.

What do other people think? and is anyone doing the same?

edit

https://www.amazon.com.au/gp/product/B076CHSXF2/ref=ppx_yo_d…

The listing itself does not say made anywhere as such, it says "Manufacturer : Kimberly-Clark Australia New Zealand"
In the Q&A for a particular size, someone does say they're made in China - I failed to read the Q&A for every size I bought.

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  • WoodYouLikeSomeCash on 20/10/2020 - 11:17
    +44

    What’s wrong if it’s made in China? Most stuff is, as long as it’s safe and works properly I don’t see the issue?

          • jjjaar on 20/10/2020 - 11:44
            +30

            @roozmik: But does the description say it’s made elsewhere?

            That’s not a problem with the listing, that’s you not doing your due-diligence for things you find important.

            • Chandler on 20/10/2020 - 13:44
              +27

              @jjjaar:

              that’s you not doing your due-diligence for things you find important

              Agree with you there.

              razmoo has a point but - "Manufacturer : Kimberly-Clark Australia New Zealand" is incorrect and misleading. Unless Kimberly-Clark Australia New Zealand owns the plant that makes them in China (unlikely), then they are not the manufacturer. It may be their product, and they may be distributing it, and they may be getting it manufactured, but they aren't doing the manufacturing. It's just like "made" vs "packaged" etc in Australia.

              Even if Kimberly-Clark Australia New Zealand does own the manufacturing plant in China, it's still misleading although technically correct.

              But does the description say it’s made elsewhere?

              It doesn't - it's in the Q&A section which isn't (always) information from Amazon or the seller.

              • jjjaar on 20/10/2020 - 15:01
                +2

                @Chandler: Oh re the where is it made elsewhere - I was making the point that it’s not like the item is lying and saying it’s made in Singapore or something

              • berry580 on 21/10/2020 - 21:51
                +5

                @Chandler: You're assuming they don't own the plant in China.

                Even if Kimberly-Clark Australia New Zealand does own the manufacturing plant in China, it's still misleading because you just wanted an excuse to call them misleading. Lol

          • DoctorCalculon on 21/10/2020 - 16:21
            +7

            @roozmik: Manufacturer and Place of Manufacture are two different attributes.

      • WoodYouLikeSomeCash on 20/10/2020 - 11:29
        +3

        I don't know that it's safe or not safe.

        Just try it. No different to how we use household appliances and phones that are made in China, we don’t know if they’re safe until we try them.

        WoodYouLikeSomeCash on 20/10/2020 - 11:29 (Collapsed - Offtopic. Show)
        • Tomhaigh1 on 20/10/2020 - 12:04
          +12

          Sorry, will never trust food/baby products made in China because of lack in transparency and the scams, and the support of government in these scams. ex. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2008_Chinese_milk_scandal

          • Slippery Fish on 20/10/2020 - 12:08
            +1

            @Tomhaigh1: They are sold in Aus and warranted as such, they will be fine… don't get histerical over nothing.

              • Slippery Fish on 20/10/2020 - 16:52
                -3

                @Tomhaigh1: That was in China, find one case of it sold by an company

                • Tomhaigh1 on 20/10/2020 - 17:04
                  +11

                  @Slippery Fish: Again same question, did you read https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2008_Chinese_milk_scandal?

                  On 29 September, British confectionery group Cadbury was forced to withdraw its 11 chocolate products in China on suspicion of melamine contamination, in turn causing it to close down its three factories in China. The recall affected the China markets, as well as Taiwan, Hong Kong, Japan, Korea and Australia.[100] Tests in Hong Kong found excessive amounts of melamine in China-made Dairy Milk products.[101]

                  On 20 October, the parents of one baby who died from contaminated milk appealed to New Zealand for justice on TV ONE.

                  The scandal began with revelations of contamination of Sanlu milk products. The New Zealand dairy cooperative Fonterra, which owned a 43% stake in Sanlu, said they were alerted to melamine contamination on 2 August (almost a month before the issue became public), and have said to have pushed hard for a full public recall. Although there was an immediate trade recall, Fonterra said that local administrators refused an official recall.[36] A Fonterra director had given Sanlu management a document detailing the European Union's permitted levels of melamine, but Fonterra chief executive Andrew Ferrier has stated that at no time did Fonterra say small amounts of melamine were acceptable.[37]

              • trinkasharma on 22/10/2020 - 09:39
                +1

                @Tomhaigh1: New Zealand's Fonterra owned 43% of Sanlu. So they are responsible for this too.

          • WoodYouLikeSomeCash on 20/10/2020 - 13:46
            -7

            @Tomhaigh1: You’ve really cherry picked that haven’t you? There are a lot of foods and drinks that are regularly being recalled that are made in Australia.

            • Tomhaigh1 on 20/10/2020 - 13:54
              +4

              @WoodYouLikeSomeCash: Totally different case, I am more concerned about the government officials corroborating in the scam, and we have no transparency, the link given by you shows level of transparency in Australia.

      • Duckie2hh on 21/10/2020 - 09:27
        +1

        Do you buy australian garlic?

        • roozmik on 21/10/2020 - 09:34
          +44

          Yes, I most definately do.. well Australian or Spanish.. anywhere but China.

          After watching a doco about Chinese prisoners forced to peel/process garlic with their teeth, it's really turned me off.

        • whooah1979 on 21/10/2020 - 09:34

          No. Spanish grown garlic.

        • R4 on 22/10/2020 - 22:56
          +8

          Absolutely. It's damned expensive but still buy it.

          I try not to buy anything made in China (admittedly, not always possible), but I definitely don't buy food made/grown in China.

      • capslock janitor on 21/10/2020 - 09:41

        trying to avoid buying things from China..

        "Manufacturer : Kimberly-Clark Australia New Zealand"

        Try harder or refund for misleading.

      • kaitoivan on 21/10/2020 - 11:44
        +19

        The phone you're using is made in China too. Quick! Burn it!

      • cydia9k on 21/10/2020 - 12:00
        +3

        How do you determine that anything is safe or not safe?

        • MadMaxBargainRoad on 21/10/2020 - 21:00
          +14

          According to Murdoch owned media of course; otherwise how can you amount the hypocrisy in this thread.

      • Martian on 24/10/2020 - 15:09

        Mobile phone - Do you own one? Do you touch it? Is yours made in China? (not trying to challenge you here)
        If you are trying to avoid things from China - try to avoid food related products form there will seems reasonable… I say.

        • roozmik on 24/10/2020 - 15:30
          +3

          My Samsung was made in Vietnam but not really the point? It's more than two years old now and I won't be replacing it with a phone made in China.

          Babies basically wear nappies 24/7 and are exposed to whatever may leach out.

    • No Username on 20/10/2020 - 11:36
      +84

      Zero trust in China when it comes to health or baby products. They've been known to cheap out and opt for more dangerous and cheaper resources like lead paint in kid toys which caused serval deaths. Some of the clothing made in China have also caused peoples skin to itch. Even China doesn't trust China when it comes to baby food or baby formula.

      • roozmik on 20/10/2020 - 11:38
        +37

        Even China doesn't trust China when it comes to baby food or baby formula.

        Exactly my thoughts! I have no problem buying a keyboard or mouse that's made in China (espeically when there is no choice). Just certain things I have a preference with.

        • competecarrot on 21/10/2020 - 10:22
          +28

          The human-rights abuse in China is really concerning. Both South Korea and Taiwan have world beating brands that manufacture outside of China (from Gigabyte to Samsung), so I always choose the product made outside China where possible

          • No Username on 21/10/2020 - 10:32
            +12

            @competecarrot: Apple really needs to wake up. Apple is always boasting about BLM and being socially responsible while meanwhile their paying laborer's in China $2 an hour and putting up suicide nets in their factory.

            • whooah1979 on 21/10/2020 - 10:51
              +2

              @No Username: iPhone are made in the PRC by Foxconn. Foxconn is a Taiwanese company.

            • Maxxjet on 21/10/2020 - 16:12
              +2

              @No Username: you really haven't read the news lately have you? I don't defend over there the workers are treated badly but Apple is not a good example to advance your argument.

              https://www.macrumors.com/2020/09/29/foxconn-factory-running…

              • No Username on 21/10/2020 - 16:44

                @Maxxjet: What's your point? The article talks about cancelling workers' holidays and introducing mandatory overtime with additional bonuses for longer-serving staff.

                • Maxxjet on 22/10/2020 - 17:54

                  @No Username: my point is they were paid not bad,…. the labor envinorment in China is vastly differernt to that of Australia, it is really good for someone to have such good bonus - especially the assembly job is considered as low-skill work… they don't get paid $2 /hr rate… It is unrealistic to compare the working conditions in Australia which is one of the best even in the west world. These Chinese workers certianly get paid more than their counterparts in countries like Vitenam/India etc….

                  • No Username on 22/10/2020 - 18:11
                    -1

                    @Maxxjet: You realise that this is a one time bonus right. Would you be happy if you had a big holiday lined up with the family and now your boss has canceled your entitled leave hours and are forced to work long hours. If this happened to you'd expect there to be a bonus. Seeing that China is a Communist country maximum working hours, minimum age and working hours won't be enforced.

                    This is why everything is made in China because it's dirt cheap and exploitable. There are multiple reports that employees are paid an average of $2 you have sources form Tech Insider, The Verge, Business Insider and Apple Insider and if you average their reports it's pretty close to $2. When compared to other countries like Vietnam and India, China is is the only country I've seen utilising suicide nets as in the past employees were fed up with the low pay and conditions and committed suicide as a way to grab media attention and shine on the issue.

          • berry580 on 21/10/2020 - 22:13
            +15

            @competecarrot: Human rights abuse is really concerning in China so you're not going to buy made in China stuff??? Lol

            What about Middle East? (Fkn everywhere)
            America? (G Bay, police brutality, etc)
            India? (Extrajudicial killing, rape, torture, etc)
            Any human rights abuse there?
            Do I need to keep going?

            Is Scomo being all worked up about it and banning Middle Eastern oil, American tech, Indian curry, etc from ending Australia?

            If you just don't like China, go for it. But keep in mind there are plenty of other countries doing similar or worse things that our government is choosing to not go haywire about as it doesn't suit their agenda at the time.
            Looks like you're singling Chinese products out because your emotion is being used like a tool by the politicians.

            • portraitly on 21/10/2020 - 23:18
              -6

              @berry580: You're comparing rogue elements in a country vs state-sponsored brutality. Apples vs Oranges

              • berry580 on 21/10/2020 - 23:54
                +5

                @portraitly: If a police force systematically picks on black people and bully them for 100+ years. Is that a rogue element or stated-sponsored?
                You think the US govt doesn't know about it? They do nothing about it, i.e. they're sponsoring it.

                Think North Korea executing political enemies with anti aircraft guns is bad? (yeah, I admit it is bad).
                How about using civilians and reporters for target practice with anti tank machine guns from an Apache helicopter?
                You think the US govt doesn't know about it? They do. When it gets leaked, the whistleblower gets thrown into jail. People assisting the whistleblower gets accused of rape for consensual sex (without condom).
                Rogue element or state sponsored? I don't know which is which, but it definitely looks like an on going state secret (used to be at least).

                Do I need to keep going?

                When are we going to stand up for justice and embargo the US? lol

                • haemolysis on 22/10/2020 - 09:29
                  +1

                  @berry580: I think there’s a distinction between buying a product from a country with human rights abuses in which the product might not be directly involved vs buying a product very directly from the labour of slavery.

                  • berry580 on 22/10/2020 - 17:32

                    @haemolysis: I find it difficult to image slaves in China making nappies. But if you've seen evidence, I'm all ears.

                    Where's the evidence may I ask.
                    Is the source from China hawks?
                    You know, kind of like the basa fish equivalent sort of propaganda doco aimed at swaying public opinion?

                    • haemolysis on 22/10/2020 - 20:21

                      @berry580: Well, I’m not really trying to make a claim about the nappies per-se - people have gone on some tangents here and started talking about all sorts of products - for instance, garlic, iPhones, etc.

                      I’m just emphasising the distinction between buying a PRODUCT OF slavery vs buying a something from a country with problems.

                      If you’re a direct beneficiary I think it’s a bit more of a problem than talking about say… what the military happens to be doing…

                      • berry580 on 23/10/2020 - 08:10

                        @haemolysis: Ok, if that's all you got, it sounds like you're chiming in the China bashing out of fashion.
                        E.g. iPhone. They're made by Foxconn, the workers in China are all paid, they're not slaves. They can quit their job at will.
                        Yes i understand the working condition might not be as good as yours in AU, its high pressure, people suicide, there's collusion between Foxconn and certain education institution etc, but that doesn't make them a "slave" by default.

                        As with garlic, I'll comment after watching the Netflix doco.

          • Barbequemilk on 22/10/2020 - 03:26

            @competecarrot: You want cheap labour? You can buy slaves in country call USA, very cheap $1-2/hour. That's the human right, lol

        • Yotta00 on 23/10/2020 - 18:51
          +2

          Japan makes really good keyboards like realforce, filco and hhkb. Leopold make good keyboards in South Korea. Razor now makes its mice in Taiwan.

      • gromit on 21/10/2020 - 15:40
        +12

        China make both some of the worst and best products. The reality is it isn't a problem with china, it is with the company that outsources it to china that determines the quality.

        • No Username on 21/10/2020 - 20:04

          So Hasbro and Mattel wanted to use lead based paint?

          • gromit on 21/10/2020 - 20:05
            +6

            @No Username: Hasbro and Mattel wanted to do it on the cheap without good QA!

            • No Username on 21/10/2020 - 20:07
              -7

              @gromit: So because of this China thinks it's morally right to poison kids. Were Hasbro and Mattel ever aware of the resource deviation from the original paint choice.

              • gromit on 21/10/2020 - 20:22
                +5

                @No Username: It is THEIR responsibility to do QA if they are going to outsource to the cheapest bidder. That is what is destined to happen when your primary motivation is money. This isn't limited to china either, dodgy shit happens when you pay someone what seems far too little for the quality of product you expect.

                • No Username on 21/10/2020 - 20:28
                  -4

                  @gromit: So your saying illegal practices are a ok in China and as a result China has no warrant with the underlying issue. Both parties are still at fault. China for its plan deviation in disregards to the manufacturing specification and swapping out the materials last second for higher marginal gains and Hasbro and Mattel for not ensuring proper QA.

                  • gromit on 21/10/2020 - 20:35
                    +2

                    @No Username: illegal practices happen EVERYWHERE, including here in Australia. of course the outsourced manufacturer has liability, but the end liability rests with the company that had it manufactured and distributed, they have a duty of care which in those cases they did not do and suffered the legal and financial costs of that.

                    It is also interesting to note the hasbro lead paint was NOT china, but india and both Hasbro and Mattel accepted responsibility for their failures in QA and accepted the fines. Mattel is now regularly used as a case study of poor QA of the supply chain and the consequences.

                    • No Username on 21/10/2020 - 21:01

                      @gromit: But my point is that both parties are still at fault. China still held part of the blame and played devil's advocate with peoples lives. In the end the factory owner saw his mistake and even committed suicide. Also did not neg you.

                      • gromit on 21/10/2020 - 21:11

                        @No Username: Yes it is a dual responsibility, the dodgy party was not China but the factory itself and Mattel. In the case if Hasbro it was not India, rather Hasbro and the factory. If you don't do proper QA these incidents happen regardless of country, especially when trying to cut costs to the bone.

          • berry580 on 21/10/2020 - 22:22

            @No Username: Troll

    • CocaKoala on 22/10/2020 - 17:17
      +8

      What’s wrong if it’s made in China?

      Why do people like you keep asking "what is wrong if it's made in China"? It's made in China - that's what's wrong. It's my money, and I don't owe anyone any explanation on why I buy one thing over the other. Why would I give my money to a country who is hostile towards my society? This should be easy to understand but some of you keep asking why. And then a bunch of you go on downvoting people who say they won't buy made in China, like if it's going to change anything - go nuts with the voting because it absolutely doesn't matter.

      The OP may be looking to actively avoid made in China products like many others including me. I will use the products I already own that are made in China because I've already purchased it, but will be replacing them all with products that are made elsewhere. Already replaced a phone (made in Korea), laptop (made in Japan), dishwasher (made in Europe) and a large set of pots and pans (made in India).

      I could have purchased a made in China product in all those instances at a cheaper price, but I can afford the slightly higher cost, but the products are also noticeably better quality in most instances. I'll reassess this if and when China becomes a proper democracy, and learn to respect the values of the west.

      • oztite on 22/10/2020 - 19:13
        -2

        Whenever people feel this way, I just remind them that:

        1. While it is made in China, it is likely designed in California, or <insert 3+ syllable European city>

        2. That the parent western company, in this case Huggies, likely retains 90%+ of revenue, and that the Chinese workers get $8 a month…

        3. Point number 2 is the values of the west, so China is already respecting it

        4. Now go back to worship the high quality iPhone and Model S from GigaShanghai (not China - Elon will never go to China for production because he cares about quality).

        • roozmik on 22/10/2020 - 23:41
          +5

          If people stop buying good made in China, the companies or designers might start to move their factories elsewhere.

          Many businesses are already in the process of doing so.

      • roozmik on 23/10/2020 - 00:15
        +6

        @CocaKoala agree with everything and am doing the same.

        I'm not bagging anyone that doesnt care where things are made. I used to not care too.. but now I do and that's my choice.

        Thread was simply because I felt mislead by listing and wanted to know if anyone that jumped on the deal felt the same.

        I've contacted Amazon and they've said will change the listings.

        • CocaKoala on 23/10/2020 - 09:40
          +5

          Thread was simply because I felt mislead by listing

          Exactly. Wonder why they publish "Huggies Australia New Zealand blah blah" I'm big bold letters and then conveniently omit the made in China part. They want to mislead people.

      • berry580 on 24/10/2020 - 22:26
        -2

        Make sure you don't buy Middle Eastern oil as well.

        • CocaKoala on 25/10/2020 - 03:50

          I'll buy what I want with my money - a concept some of you seem to be struggling to get.

  • bobbified on 20/10/2020 - 11:19
    +2

    Previous Huggies diapers I bought were made in Singapore.

    When was the last time you saw them made elsewhere? This suggests that they moved their manufacturing to China in July 2019.

    • roozmik on 20/10/2020 - 11:22
      +8

      I'm using size 5 Huggies pull-ups picked up at Woolworths or Coles and they're made in Singapore.

      Woolworths diapers were made in Thailand, and now they're made in Australia.

      • bobbified on 20/10/2020 - 11:25

        Interesting - perhaps they've only moved certain range of products.

        • Gaz1 on 21/10/2020 - 14:51
          +2

          Or they have old stock?

  • Porker on 20/10/2020 - 11:27
    +12

    As a parent, I understand the concern for wanting the best for your child/baby. But you've 'assumed' an aspect with your purchase rather than checking it.

    With the world moving so rapidly and things changing, it may be that you need to be more aware of your purchases to avoid your future annoyance.

    • ykwon10 on 20/10/2020 - 11:43
      +1

      This.

      If you are strongly against products made in China, you should have checked and be more aware.

      Can you try returning to Amazon?

    • roozmik on 20/10/2020 - 11:56
      +5

      Noted. Well I'll be avoiding Huggies in future.

      • capslock janitor on 21/10/2020 - 09:46
        +1

        I'm giving free huggies to everyone after crona 🤗

        • Antikythera on 21/10/2020 - 11:14
          +3

          You gave me snickers already.

          On a related note i've stopped buying Snickers Fun Size multi-packs as they are made in China.

          • stygian on 22/10/2020 - 09:54
            +1

            @Antikythera: All Snickers are made in China now, not just the Fun Size. Haven't had a Snickers for a couple years now.
            Mars Bars are still made in Australia, though.

      • cloudy on 23/10/2020 - 19:55

        OP, let amazon know you feel mislead for the reasons you have stated. Ask for a refund and offer to ship the product back. Hopefully they understand and work something out for you.

  • sagrules on 20/10/2020 - 11:27
    +29

    Chinese factory caught recycling used nappies to make new ones
    https://www.kidspot.com.au/parenting/real-life/in-the-news/c…

    • pegaxs on 20/10/2020 - 11:45
      +2

      Omg, what next? Recycled condoms out of Vietnam?

      • Slippery Fish on 20/10/2020 - 12:11

        You would think with how cheap they are that wouldn't be cost effective lol

        • Baghern on 21/10/2020 - 19:54

          it would take extreme circumstances for it to be, if it were there would be more of them doing it

      • SF3 on 20/10/2020 - 23:39

        Face masks?

    • bluesky on 20/10/2020 - 18:31
      +2

      Oh dear, the article you posted also says:

      In 2007, a Chinese manufacturer was found to be recycling used condoms and turning them into hair bands. Last year plastic pellets discarded as part of medical waste were recycled into children’s toys and plates.

    • neonlight on 21/10/2020 - 10:31
      +1

      Huggies are now 100% China, that article is incorrect.

      Do not support illegal nappy recycling!

      • whooah1979 on 21/10/2020 - 11:04
        +2

        Most of the cobalt in the world comes from the DRC using illegal child slavery. People that have a problem with unlawful business practices should return their smartphones and other widgets to retailers in protest.

        • MadMaxBargainRoad on 21/10/2020 - 21:33

          Hey hey get that logic and critical thinking out of here.

  • [Deactivated] on 20/10/2020 - 11:29
    +3

    Without getting into the moral justification, a boycott of Chinese manufactured goods is probably impossible

    • abb on 20/10/2020 - 11:59
      +24

      Only a sith deals in absolutes.

      Without getting into morality, if you have some reason to do a partial boycott it's still doing something.

      • RogerSyd on 21/10/2020 - 11:41
        +7

        Absolutely.. Difficult to boycott 100% but try and avoid wherever possible.

        • Kangal on 22/10/2020 - 22:51
          -1

          I'm afraid the "enthusiast" here make up a small niche/minority of the total buyers. The mainstream "sheep" make up the huge majority. So it's a difficult/losing battle.

          Rant:
          With that said, the mainstream consumers could change things for the better. They simply need to vote with their wallets. Or vote with their feet to enact some (consumer-protections) legislation in place.

          But they won't.
          In free market economics, the cheapest product wins, or the highest value product, or the outright best product. So the mainstream consumers will have a natural tendency (like evolution) to create better and cheaper products. BUT we don't have (total) free markets, because of marketing. These guys are masters of manipulation, exaggeration, lying, and even fraud… because they understand how the human psychology works and they actively exploit it. So the mainstream consumers continually get duped into become sheep, and the consumerism cycle that began in the 80's continues on. Case in point: smartphones, each year since 2014 we've lost features, had stagnation, yet prices kept soaring because of marketing.

  • sagrules on 20/10/2020 - 11:51
    +3

    This is one of the reasons i would not buy huggies nappies.
    https://www.choice.com.au/babies-and-kids/baby-clothes-and-n…

    Aldi nappies (Mammia) and Babylove pull ups, rascal & friends nappies, all significantly better.

  • Ryanek on 20/10/2020 - 12:11
    +13

    Huggies Australia even posted an import alert.

    I think you're justified in raising concerns for Huggies not made for the Australian market, but you have to do some due diligence when it comes to buying online.

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