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I'm purchasing a 2nd-hand electric car (Nissan LEAF) and need a home charging station for it, as it doesn't come with one because the original owner has it installed in their house. I was Googling around and most are $1k to $1.5k plus installation. I came across this one on Amazon AU as a Google Ad, it's 'German Designed' (apparently) but made in China. Seems to support all electric cars and has good reviews that I can find. No reviews on Amazon AU, but they have 100% on eBay. Worth a shot at this price and I can return it to Amazon

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mister_snrub on 18/10/2020 - 13:19

+5

Better off getting a portable EVSE that plugs in to a standard wall socket. The Leaf can only charge at maximum 3.3 kW AC (or 6.6 kW on some UK/Europe imports) anyway, so a 32 A charger is way over the top. At 220 V the most the Leaf will take is 15 A.

A portable EVSE with standard three pin wall plug will give you up to 10 A (2.2 kW). Or if you have a 15 A ‘caravan socket’ installed in your garage you could get an EVSE to suit that (with the fat ground pin) and deliver the full 3.3 kW the Leaf can handle.

Portable also means you can take it with you and charge at anyone’s house. I’ve done that at Airbnbs.
- jackary on 18/10/2020 - 18:39
  
  Oh my god I bet the host LOVED that! Good thinking hahaha
  - Jackson on 18/10/2020 - 21:38
    
    +3
    
    They wouldn't even notice, uses the same as any electric heater, a full charge is 3 bucks
    - jackary on 22/10/2020 - 10:42
      
      Don’t think I’ve ever been in an Airbnb that had an old electric heater.
      
      Also a 24kWh battery @ $0.28c/kWh will cost $6.72 to fill, assuming 100% efficiency. In the real world it’d be closer to $7.
      
      “They wouldn’t even notice” isn’t a good reason to do something…
      
      Commenter mentioned above that he’s always asked the host before doing it which is the right thing to do :) I apologise if our moral compasses are pointing in different directions.
      - Jackson on 22/10/2020 - 11:02
        
        @jackary: I also ask the host, and every single one also is fine with it because $3 < $200/night. They are always surprised at how cheap it is. Keep in mind you are never charging from fully flat, and the car has a 'reserve' which isn't reported so there's that. Also once they are a few years old, you will find you are charging about 12kW, which is about 4 bucks at most
  - mister_snrub on 19/10/2020 - 07:06
    
    I always ask the host before arrival. Never had a problem.
- Den on 19/10/2020 - 11:01
  
  +1 here.
  
  10amp more then enough for a Leaf charging at home. 2.2kw (10amp) which is probably converts to 2kw/h juice into the battery, say from 20% to 80% you will need ~7 hours..
  
  For sure enough time overnight, and enough time from 10am-6pm to charge from home solar…
  
  And you can use ANY socket.
Bretttick on 18/10/2020 - 13:32

-5

Op I recommend you buy this based on reviews. Much cheaper also 😂😂

https://www.ebay.com.au/itm/332793862835
- justdigi on 18/10/2020 - 13:38
  
  +3
  
  80W vs 7.6kW, sure thing.
CalmLemons on 18/10/2020 - 14:21

-3

great way to void your home insurance…..
Mainsail on 18/10/2020 - 14:24

Be very wary about buying a Nissan Leaf, and do your homework.

Not sure on the model but did see on YouTube that the batteries are not actively cooled, and have premature failure. And Nissan don't support very well.
- Mainsail on 18/10/2020 - 14:28
  
  https://youtu.be/jUINNMHZxXc
  
  https://youtu.be/J8H6OO7iCS4
  
  Not sure if these were the ones I watched, but it's a start.
  - tonyjzx on 18/10/2020 - 15:39
    
    my feeling about that is that any early leaf is a non starter
    
    the batteries are custom and not fixable
    
    a very very late leaf PLUS maybe your habits dont need active cooling and you're in the sub sub $20k class then maybe its an ok buy???
- Den on 19/10/2020 - 11:08
  
  If your leaf parked outside in 40+deg all the time and the only way you charge is chademo - that is not good choice indeed.
  
  Otherwise if it is for local commute and you park it home in garage and charge at slow rate, - it is not a problem.
  
  I mean, the scenario it is a second car for ~short commute and run around and a way to use your roof solar energy as your own petrol station ;-)
Wardaddy on 18/10/2020 - 14:43

+2

A second hand Leaf. LOL. There's one born every minute.
- justdigi on 18/10/2020 - 14:58
  
  -1
  
  What do you believe is wrong with that? It's a used Jap import from Good Car Co, so has dealer and statutory warranty.
  - Mainsail on 18/10/2020 - 15:42
    
    +2
    
    They don't seem to state they are a licenced motor dealer (LMD).
    
    It is going to be a used, grey import.
    You might be surprised how little dealer/statutory warranty you actually have.
    
    I really don't know, but if I was buying if want to know what is really covered.
    
    Consider that even me cars sold in Australia have problems work warranty claims, especially if you look at the Nissan Leaf's batteries as discussed in other posts, and YouTube links.
    - justdigi on 18/10/2020 - 16:44
      
      +1
      
      From their site: Dealers licence number: 6064 (Tas)
      
      2 year battery degradation warranty
      
      6 month mechanical warranty
      
      Dealer cars covered by Australian Consumer law
      
      30 day return policy
  - 1st-Amendment on 18/10/2020 - 17:00
    
    Just out of interest, why did you think the Leaf was a better choice than a regular car? I imagine the resale on this thing will be zero, so TCO, $20k, 5 year old car, with a range of 100km seems like an odd choice to me.
    - justdigi on 18/10/2020 - 17:13
      
      +3
      
      I have a regular car. I want to qualify for free CBD parking for electric vehicles, reduce emissions and charge for free off my solar.
      - 1st-Amendment on 18/10/2020 - 17:19
        
        +2
        
        @justdigi: If you parking in the city during the day, how will you charge it from your solar? Won't the sun have gone down by the time you get home?
        BTW which city has free parking for EVs?
        
        jackary on 18/10/2020 - 18:46
        
        @1st-Amendment: I’d also like to know this?
        
        justdigi on 18/10/2020 - 19:02
        
        @jackary: Brisbane.
        
        jackary on 18/10/2020 - 19:39
        
        +2
        
        @justdigi: So I live in Brisbane and work in the CBD - there is no free CBD parking for EVs. BCC have even previously stated they don’t want “EV parking only” zones within the CBD traffic area as it would ultimately lead to less car parks for all. The state government also scrapped free charging on its network last year, too.
        
        Parking in King George square is half price for EV/hybrid owners and charging is free.
        
        I wish you all the best fighting with the 50 smug, entitled Tesla owners over the 4 charging points every weekday morning…
        
        tunzafun001 on 18/10/2020 - 23:38
        
        +1
        
        @jackary: Two years ago with a budget of $25k I bought a second have mitsi PHEV $17k and 6.6kw solar panels + 13kw solar battery for $5k (under budget..yay!)
        
        Half panels point NE (so car gets some charge in the morning before I leave, and some West (gets some charge at the end of the day). The rest comes from the solar battery.
        
        Now if you don't have a solar battery, it's still doable. You are allowed to charge your car from controlled load power (19c/ kWh). Feed in is 17c/kWh. So pretty close to charging at night with solar.
        
        My next project is to build a cheap carport frame at work, and cover with solar panels (don't need roof sheets, so about $300). Due to what I can only describe as pure government corruption (under the guise of the CEC), Solar panels get dumped by the tonne. So I picked up 2kw for free and used my $500 Kogan credit and bought a 2kw 12v inverter and solar controller. Plan is to use the solar panels/ controller to feed the 12v aux car battery. This then powers the inverter, Inverter powers the 6A EVSE which then charges the drive battery. Need to get the inverter to shut off if the solar controller isn't outputting more than the inverter is drawing. Haven't looked yet, but Arduino / Sonoff should do the job.
        
        A little bit of thinking outside the box and there is no reason for us to be burning fuel really. It takes hours for the car to charge, but who cares as my car sits there while I'm at work anyway.
        
        Even without the new project, I haven't been to a petrol station in 5 months and my power bills are still credits anyway.
        
        PS. I bought a 6-16A generic variable EVSE for $180 two years ago. Has worked perfectly. Did get water inside once when it bucketed. So put a bead of silicone around where cables enter the box and put inside a shopping bag if raining. Sorted.
        
        jackary on 22/10/2020 - 10:46
        
        @tunzafun001: I mean there’s a lot of variables in your above scenario (namely having an employer that’ll let you install a solar carport lol!), and I somewhat disagree with your CEC opinions… but damn you deserve praise for the ingenuity of that setup. If you don’t mind me asking, where on earth did you find a solar battery so cheap? I’ve got solar myself and wouldn’t mind supplementing with a battery.
        
        tunzafun001 on 22/10/2020 - 11:10
        
        @jackary: CEC is a pay per list service. Solar panel efficiency has been advancing so quickly that a manufacturer wont bother to pay to relist the old models. This means that there are brand new panels that have never been installed (no difference in saftey features whatsover to current models) that need to go in the bin. Likewise, if a customer buys a panel/ inverter just before the listing expires (as most don't even know this exists), then tries to modify something in their system (some listings expire this month), it has to go in the bin and start again. That's one under a month, binned. One installer said they alone dumped 6000 tonnes of panels into landfill last year. It's a disgrace of a system! As for the batteries, I got the SA $6k rebate (which is now around 3-4k). So add I guess $2k to the total price. Send me a pm if you want the details. Cheers.
        
        justdigi on 18/10/2020 - 19:02
        
        @1st-Amendment: Brisbane.
        
        nephilim on 18/10/2020 - 20:33
        
        @justdigi: Adelaide has free parking for EV too, but two hour limit.
    - Jackson on 18/10/2020 - 21:54
      
      +3
      
      He is buying second hand, so low resale is a good thing
      
      Battery aside, it's one of the most reliable cars in the world. Multiple awards for this in different countries
      
      Electricity is free from solar, or at hundreds of charge stations, including many council car parks >$2k for most people
      
      He already said he gets free parking in his city (could be >$2k on its own)
      
      It's a great car to drive. Speak to any owner of one and they will tell you it's their best car they owned, not the idiots here who haven't driven one but want to wax lyrical. Better to drive than many other EVs including the ioniq (which main advantage is liquid cooled battery)
      
      Servicing is cheap (89 bucks for standard, 350 for major) but most owner don't bother and pay zero because the car requires absolute minimal servicing compared to ICE cars (>1k/year for most people)
      
      Allows you reduce your tailpipe emissions to zero, so you don't have to breath carcinogens
      
      Also saves carbon emissions at the tailpipe from between 30% (brown coal) to about 0 from renewable like solar
      
      So he could be saving 5k a year driving a car that owners swear by and reducing his environmental footprint. In under 4 years he has saved the price of the car. Battery costs have dropped 85% in the last 10 years, and every new leaf since can have its battery dropped in to this with minimal effort by a person with the right skills. What's not to like?
      - 1st-Amendment on 19/10/2020 - 07:17
        
        -1
        
        @Jackson:
        
        He either keeps it forever in which case the car cost $20k which is hideously expensive, or he tries to sell it which at some point in the future in which case he will lose most of his $20k. The TCO on this is terrible
        
        Reliable when new, like pretty much every car. But when it does go pop, it's going to be expensive.
        
        Nothing is free. If your use your solar to charge your car, it means you aren't using it t power your house which then adds cost.. And that solar system wasn't free.
        
        For 2 hours? Then what?
        
        Haha, I've been in Tesla,and my Audi was better than that. And I'm pretty sure a Leaf is not better than a Tesla. And I can drive further than 85 kms if I want to.
        
        This is true for any car. You can choose to have it serviced or not. I pay $300/year for my Audi only because I want the stamps for when I sell. Every other car I've owned I did it myself
        
        You shift your emissions elsewhere. The ship that brought that car to Australia burnt more emissions than a car will in 100 years. Good one!
        
        False economy See above.
        Also the environment argument is a bit of a con since you can't actually provide any verifiable scientific proof of any actual change. This whole movement is based around 'the feelz'
        Different strokes for different folks I guess, it's a (mostly) free country after all, but this all sounds a bit like the emperor's new clothes..
        
        Stimps on 19/10/2020 - 09:45
        
        +2
        
        @1st-Amendment: Owns an Audi and then berates someone over the total cost of ownership for a 20 grand car. Lol.
        
        1st-Amendment on 19/10/2020 - 10:55
        
        -1
        
        @Stimps: Not berating, just pointing out that the TCO of a Leaf is likely higher than an Audi. If you're going to blow $20k TCO on a car, why not get a good one that you can drive further than 85km…
        
        Den on 19/10/2020 - 12:41
        
        +1
        
        @1st-Amendment: why is $20k on a 3yo car hideously expensive? Please show your basic math.. P.S. just driving 10k a year on ice car is 2k in fuel roughly…
        
        1st-Amendment on 19/10/2020 - 14:43
        
        @Den:
        
        why is $20k on a 3yo car hideously expensive?
        
        A car that costs $30k that you sell for $20k is cheaper than a car that costs $20k and you sell for $0k.
        
        The solar charging is a false economy since you had to buy the panels, then each time you use it to charge your car you are then having to revert to grid power at retail prices for your home. Free isn't free..
        
        Den on 19/10/2020 - 15:14
        
        @1st-Amendment: mm.. I would count that LEAF in 10 years will go down close to zero IF the replacement of the battery be still expensive and there will be other cheaper evs.
        
        At the moment all generations of leafs have practically compatible batteries (physical size), but we are still talking about 10-15k$ for going from 80km range to 200-400km. Which is ok, so the price probably might go under 10k but not much if everything else is in usable condition.. and because there are a lot of used leafs some cheaper labor markets are repacking new cells into these packs getting 40-60 kw in them..
        
        Den on 19/10/2020 - 15:18
        
        @1st-Amendment:
        
        each time you use it to charge your car you are then having to revert to grid power at retail prices for your home
        
        nope, this is "you are not receiving your feed-in tariff" or even wasting energy if you have export limiter.. but agree, not entirely free.
        
        Jackson on 20/10/2020 - 14:28
        
        @1st-Amendment: You are wrong about the solar charging, the car draws as little as 2300W, solar panel systems on houses are usually between 6.6kW and 10kW, and there's also a rule that says you can have an excess of panels above your inverters rating, so there's heaps of overhead to charge a car and still run your appliances. It seems you've deliberately taken and overly pessimistic view to backup your points.
        
        1st-Amendment on 21/10/2020 - 09:01
        
        @Jackson:
        
        the car draws as little as 2300W, solar panel systems on houses are usually between 6.6kW and 10kW.
        
        2300W when trickle charging overnight, Do you see the problem there if you are relying on solar?
        Or, if you plan to do it during the day, that's an entire day that you can't use your car. (Assuming you get the required 7.5 hours of solar generation which is unlikely for most of the year)
        I don't know about you, but a requirement of my car is that I can use it whenever I feel like it.
        
        It seems you've deliberately taken and overly pessimistic view to backup your points.
        
        Practical is often seen as negative by people who don't consider all the variables.
        
        Jackson on 21/10/2020 - 13:02
        
        @1st-Amendment: Most often people only use a small fraction of the charge when driving, so often the trickle charger at home is plenty to top up between trips. Also there are chargers out there similar to the one posted but 'smart', and these will actually measure the amount your solar is making, is being used in the house, and charge with the leftovers (Zappi brand). These only cost about 1k, which in the scheme of things is well worth it if you have solar and have the need.
        
        I also think you are overestimating how much your appliances use in the day. The average fridge is 250W and is probably one of the most power hungry appliances, for dedicated freezers that number is 100W. Hot water is almost always on gas or off peak so this doesn't matter. What do you think the average person is running during the day? Even if we fudge that by multiplying by 10, which is no one ever did, he can still run the above charger at near full speed during the sunny parts of the day (10kW solar (-250W-100W)x10=7.5kW leftover). Futher at that speed the car will be charged in just a few hours. A/Cs use more, but the beauty of those are when it's hot, it's sunny. When it's cold, they don't really use that much, depends on the size of your place. Some new vehicles can even be used as a home battery, to charge in the day and then power your house at night, further improving their use.
        
        It's a common misconception that people won't be able to drive their car when they want. When I got mine, I didn't drive my ICE car for a full 3.5 months straight, and when I did it was to move it out from under a tree where is was getting crapped on by birds.
        
        Regarding convenience, there's is a factor of convenience with petrol but for people who've done their numbers, and this guy clearly isn't dopey about working that out for himself, benefit hugely from driving an EV. Never have to visit a servo, pay an equivalent of $15 per tank of fuel, don't have to visit service departments anywhere near as often, no changing oils and filters yourself if you DIY, brakes last forever (300k km) due to regenrative braking, 12V battery lasts forever, tyres lasted 60k km, no breathing carcinogens, quiter than a high end luxury car costing much more, cleaner for the environment, there's literally dozens of reasons to get one. In a few years internal combustion will be limited to heavy trucks, planes, other specialty uses (esp. once hydrogen becomes common).
        
        1st-Amendment on 21/10/2020 - 15:20
        
        @Jackson: Cool story but none of it addresses the original point. A kw you take from your solar system for you car is a kw you can't use elsewhere including feed in tariffs, so this comes at a cost. It is not free.
        
        Jackson on 21/10/2020 - 16:04
        
        @1st-Amendment: This really proves you are either not paying attention or not good at maths. A lost feed in tarrif compared with paying for petrol is night and day cheaper when a tank costs around 80 bucks and electricity feed ins are about 15c, so I'll correct myself, an equivalent tank of fuel for him will be not $15 bucks but $7.50. Of course it's not free, but you are now arguing about the cost being 10% of petrol. So I guess I'm 90% right?
        
        1st-Amendment on 22/10/2020 - 10:01
        
        @Jackson: The claim "charge for free off my solar."
        
        You have created a strawman and are arguing against that.
        
        Your lower cost of fuel is offset by lower resale value, he also can't drive further than 100-180km in one go. That is another cost. So if you want to argue economics you need to take into account ALL the variables, as I already stated.
        
        EV enthusiasts are the new Vegans…
Steptoe on 18/10/2020 - 15:11

Your choice to buy a LEAF. Are you sure you need the power? Might want to check the onboard charger rating as other say most are 3.3kW. Some UK versions had 6.6kW.

Just charge overnight from a GPO at 10A using the granny cable. Get a 15A GPO if you want more.

Also look at used LEAF on CarSales closer to 10k. Then replace battery with a used 40kWh if it doesn’t do the distance you need.

What is your use case? i.e. likely daily distance between charging.
- justdigi on 18/10/2020 - 15:25
  
  +3
  
  Onboard charger is 6.6kW as it's a JDM import, not Australian model. All JDM appear to be 6.6kW onboard? I can't see any listings with 3.3kW.
  
  Was looking at used on Carsales for around $12.5k, this is $18.5k with the better charger, less usage (<30k km) and with dealer/statutory warranty.
  
  Daily use is 2km to school drop off, 8km to work and back, so ~20km daily. This is a 2nd car for city usage to replace a petrol vehicle. We still have a 4WD for 'weekends'.
  - Steptoe on 18/10/2020 - 15:33
    
    In that case the granny cable will be plenty, charging overnight.
    
    Are you buying to order, or from stock? Are they stating Battery Bars remaining? Do they guarantee 110km at highway speed, or just the GOM (guess-o-meter)
    
    Get LEAF Spy app and Bluetooth dongle to sus out the battery before you commit.
    
    Also check auction prices via search of j-spec
    - justdigi on 18/10/2020 - 16:54
      
      To order, but having second thoughts now with all the negativity in this post. Guaranteed battery health over 85%, 2 year warranty on battery degradation, 30 day no questions return and specifically mentions ACL dealer provisions. I was doing as part of a group buy, so prices better than list price. I can see how much they get them from in Japan, so they are making profit, but it saves me the hassles and has warranty.
      - Steptoe on 18/10/2020 - 21:34
        
        @justdigi: In your situation I'd haggle hard on a demo Zoe as they are listing more and more at lower and lower prices so no shortage. Double the battery of the old Leaf. If you need a car now maybe different story though.
        
        The Leaf will be a dog to sell once you are over it. The Leaf 1.1 is not that much better than the original. Were you down for S, X or G spec? S has no regen, and resistive heater. Not that heater in Brisbane is a concern.
  - mister_snrub on 18/10/2020 - 16:52
    
    +1
    
    If it is a first generation Leaf from Japan it is almost certainly 3.3 kW. I don't know about second generation cars.
    
    I have a 30 kWh first generation Leaf I imported personally from Japan. I bought at auction myself so no middle man. Best car I've owned. Don't listen to the naysayers who have never owned one.
    - 1st-Amendment on 18/10/2020 - 17:02
      
      -2
      
      I've never eaten a shit sandwich either but I'm pretty sure they don't taste good…
      - tonyjzx on 18/10/2020 - 17:33
        
        +5
        
        @1st-Amendment: even if you have a 1st gen leaf and your uses are just commuting then i can very well believe its the 'best car he's ever owned'
        
        my commute is something like 10km
        
        you could conceivably charge on weekends using your solar then drive all week to work
        
        its not going to suit everyone but it seems like the two owners here actually looked at their usage case and bought the best value car for their use
        
        if that car doesnt work in every case… ie. a bunnings run… then they have an SUV
        
        good on them… smarter than a lot of others
        
        jackary on 18/10/2020 - 19:37
        
        -1
        
        @tonyjzx: Ummmm… pardon? It’s certainly not the best value, for ANY use lol.
        
        Your hypothesis doesn’t add up either. As has been pointed out in this thread, 100km seems to be the consensus of “range” on a Gen 1 Leaf - so let’s then assume (as it’s all the dealer is guaranteeing) that the battery only retains 85% SoC. So we’re now talking 85km of range. Your battery will be flat by the drive home Thursday in your scenario. And you won’t be “using solar to charge” over the weekends either unless you have a home battery to store energy through the week, another significant cost, OR you’re prepared to wait, and wait, and wait. And if you devote all of your solar to the car, how will you power your house? You’re robbing Peter to pay Paul. Have either you, or OP actually crunched the numbers on value at all?
        
        The power for the batteries doesn’t come from thin air - a 24kWh battery will cost $6.72 to charge (at 0.28c/kWh). So $6.72 to travel 85, maybe 100km - and this assumes 100% efficiency (not bloody likely). My Volkswagen Up! averages 4.6L/100km (80% city 20% highway) any day of the week - at $1.20/L, that’s $5.52/100km. I can refill from empty to full in minutes, and I don’t have to worry about an unreliable, expensive battery going bang at any minute. I can use it to commute, I can use it for longer journeys, I can use it to go to bunnings. And if my car went bang, a mechanic won’t refuse to touch it like many do when it comes to Hybrids/EVs. What am I missing here?
        
        There are several things to consider here absolutely (namely how important that EV wank factor is to you), but suggesting a 10 year old car full of degrading batteries is “better value” than say… a brand new Kia Picanto and 3-4K worth of petrol, is utterly preposterous. The Kia will be cheaper to buy, cheaper to insure, cheaper to maintain, has a longer warranty, and I think you’d find that if you actually sat down and crunched the numbers, is probably just as cheap if not cheaper to “commute” in, regardless of use case or scenario.
        
        In fact OP hasn’t used the word “value” or “smart” anywhere in this thread that I can find - the decision seems to be based more on “saving emissions” - equally preposterous considering the environmental impact of mining and additional emissions created by the batteries themselves, “free CBD parking” (in which city?), and the “ability to charge with solar” (see above).
        
        I appreciate that a lot of the above hinges on “assumptions” however most if not all of them are reasonable ones. I’m a huge proponent of electric vehicles but as others have pointed out, an 18K leaf just doesn’t stack up. An Ioniq or Zoe might if you plan to own it over a long period of time, but at additional upfront cost.
        
        For the most part, at least right at this moment, NO electric vehicle makes sense.
        
        They’re too expensive, the technology isn’t there yet, nor is the infrastructure, and with the greatest will in the world, we haven’t worked out a way to mine or recycle Nickel or Lithium in a way that isn’t environmentally catastrophic, making a complete hypocrite out of you in your “clean green EV”.
        
        It’s a “lifestyle choice”, and if that’s your choice, all power to you! OP I hope I haven’t offended with any of the above! Just pointing out that if emissions and the environment etc are actually important to you, you can do better with less money.
        
        Stimps on 18/10/2020 - 21:19
        
        +6
        
        @jackary: Whenever someone talks about how bad lithium mining is for the environment I think back to deep water horizon and the 3.2 million barrels of oil which leaked into the gulf.
        
        jackary on 18/10/2020 - 22:30
        
        @Stimps: For brevity, I agree with you.
        
        Lithium is “less worse”.
        
        tonyjzx on 19/10/2020 - 03:31
        
        @jackary: and the fallacy that you're blaming EVs on lithium nickel alone… i'm sure you own a phone or laptop right?
        
        i'm on the fence but right now i'd rather be happy for the people who spend $20k this and hope it works out for them
        
        what do i know, i own two SUVs
        
        jackary on 22/10/2020 - 10:08
        
        @tonyjzx: No fallacy, you just can’t read. Did I blame electric vehicles alone for… well, anything?
        
        From my last paragraph “It’s a “lifestyle choice”, and if that’s your choice, all power to you!” - I hope it works out for them too, it doesn’t mean we shouldn’t be realistic about what those ownership prospects look like. This is a bargain forum, not validatemyEV.org
        
        mister_snrub on 19/10/2020 - 07:37
        
        @jackary: There’s a fair bit of misinformation in your post based on assumptions.
        
        Here is the range I get with some real world experience in my Leaf:
        
        Car: first generation Leaf with 30 kWh battery, used import from Japan.
        
        Odometer: 60,000 km
        
        Battery ‘state of health’ (SOH): 84%
        
        Typical range (summer, city driving): 180 km
        
        Worst case range (sub-zero outside temperature, highway driving, cabin heater on): 100 km
        
        So yes, the car isn’t for everyone. But for the vast majority of city commuting, a used Leaf will be just fine.
        
        The economic comparison for ownership will be different for everyone. For example if an EV gives you free parking, or lower registration costs, or if your employer or local council offers free charging. A used Leaf was the cheapest option possible in my situation (even compared to buying a $1000 old banger). But it might not be for your situation. Remember, the big savings come in reduced maintenance costs. An EV has almost no maintenance costs. I’ve only had to replace the cabin air filter and some wiper blades. Total maintenance costs during two years of ownership = $50.
        
        A used Leaf was not a lifestyle choice for me. It was an economic choice to achieve the lowest possible ownership and operation costs for the two year period I need a car.
        
        1st-Amendment on 19/10/2020 - 15:06
        
        @mister_snrub:
        
        Remember, the big savings come in reduced maintenance costs.
        
        This is mostly a myth. If you want dealer servicing and log book stamps this is true. If you have a 5 year old+ car you just replace the oil regularly and keep an eye on any belts or chains that might need replacing (ie <$100 year)
        
        It was an economic choice to achieve the lowest possible ownership and operation costs for the two year period I need a car.
        
        Did you pay cash for the car or finance? What was the resale value? TCO might not stack up as much as you think when you really include all costs.
        
        jackary on 22/10/2020 - 10:14
        
        @mister_snrub: No misinformation, I just think you’re a little biased in your views. I’m happy for you to cite where I’ve gone wrong but it seems you did/could not… just an ambit claim…
        
        For starters, OP is considering a 24kWh Leaf, not a 30kWh one - so any range assumptions you’ve used are incorrect. In any case, you are yourself conceding that in the correct conditions only 100km of range is attainable.
        
        Please show your working on how your 20,000 Leaf affords you a lower cost of ownership over 2 years compared to the “$1000 banger” you described - say, a Hyundai excel.
        
        Den on 19/10/2020 - 13:06
        
        @jackary: Assumption is the mother .. (c)
        
        retains 85% SoC. So we’re now talking 85km of range.
        
        new 24kw Leaf will have ~170km range, 85% SoH (not charge) will have ~140km range.
        
        Depending on other factor you can still top-up in mornings/evenings from home solar, free charge in the city, or add some juice (at 0.28c/kWh or whatever)
        
        expensive battery going bang at any minute
        any proof of that? any time? they do degrade, but that takes time…
        
        the technology isn’t there yet, nor is the infrastructure,
        that's just false
        
        An Ioniq or Zoe
        
        for 20k budget? show us, please…
        
        we haven’t worked out a way to mine or recycle Nickel or Lithium in a way that isn’t environmentally catastrophic
        well, that is not true anymore as well. It is now cheaper to recycle, and Tesla will be mining lithium from clay in Nevada..
        
        you can do better with less money.
        do your math better for a particular use case..
        
        jackary on 22/10/2020 - 10:28
        
        @Den:
        
        Assumption is the mother .. (c)
        
        No follow up to that? Other than on range (and that is clearly debatable, read just this thread), you haven’t pointed out where my assumptions were incorrect.
        
        new 24kw Leaf will have ~170km range, 85% SoH (not charge) will have ~140km range.
        
        Above user gets 100km on a hot day from a 30kWh Leaf, not a 24kWh one as in this discussion. I think 100km is a pretty educated guess on the range of a decade old 24kWh air cooled leaf.
        
        Depending on other factor you can still top-up in mornings/evenings from home solar
        
        When? If you work 9-5 in the Brisbane CBD and live in the suburbs, you’re left with very few daylight hours to charge in.
        
        free charge in the city
        
        There are 4 free charging points in the King George Square PAID car park. So you trade $0.28c/kWh for $15/hr. There is no free EV charging in Brisbane CBD.
        
        any proof of that? any time? they do degrade, but that takes time…
        
        Sure, seeing as you asked so nicely
        
        the technology isn’t there yet, nor is the infrastructure,
        that's just false
        
        You obviously don’t live in Brisbane, where OP and I live? You still can’t get to Rockhampton let alone Cairns from Brisbane on the M1 in your electric car, unless you know a few mates along the way. The infrastructure is not there. And if the technology was there, we’d all be driving EVs by now.
        
        for 20k budget? show us, please…
        
        Answered in my first response.
        
        It is now cheaper to recycle, and Tesla will be mining lithium from clay in Nevada..
        
        Cheaper doesn’t equate to economically viable, and it’s estimated less than 10% of all Lithium produced is actually recycled. For instance, we know glass can be recycled but (notoriously) it has been stockpiled for the best part of a decade because it’s too expensive. New glass is cheaper than recycling old glass. The same is true of Lithium and Nickel batteries and until something changes from either a technical or legislative standpoint I can’t see that changing in the short term future.
        
        do your math better for a particular use case..
        
        I did, and I don’t appreciate the condescending attitude. I did my maths, you chose to ignore or berate it. That’s your choice. If you would like to engage in a useful discussion, I’m only too happy to do that, but do it in a way that is respectful.
        
        For someone who’s criticized my “assumptions” I’d like to see your own working. Make a 20k 10 year old electric leaf make financial sense to me. Any use case you like. I’m genuinely happy to be wrong. As you and others have completely ignored, I’m not here to rail against EVs. I’m just here saying it doesn’t make fiscal sense, which I would have expected to be a fair enough thing to point out in a forum for cheapskates.
        
        Den on 27/10/2020 - 18:28
        
        @jackary: Did not mean to disrespect.
        
        20k 10 year old electric leaf
        they only started production in 2011, so it's a miss. 20k will give you ~4year old with 50k mileage and and 11bar 80% soh battery which will equate ~ 120k range, usable 110 in city, on highway much less.
        
        My commute is 10km each way so it's only 20km a day, maybe 30k so I usually charge once a week (weekend morning-midday). So yes, need to charge in middle of a week sometimes, though I also ride bicycle to work and motorbike on a good day. Can't remember a day when I had to pull juice from grid.
        
        2 or 3 times that I used public chargers was mostly for test..
        
        It is not cheaper in 2 years comparing with 1k$ banger, but it's vastly different cars as well, compare with other 20k 4 year old car..
        
        It is now cheaper to recycle, and Tesla will be mining lithium from clay in Nevada..
        Cheaper doesn’t equate to economically viable,
        
        cheaper then mining, seen last tesla presentation? their first model S now 8 years old and they started replacing batteries and recycling packs.. that's what they said.
        
        1st-Amendment on 19/10/2020 - 07:22
        
        -2
        
        @tonyjzx: Even smarter would be to ride a bike and save the world from all the mining, manufacturing and transport emissions of bringing an imported car to Australia wouldn't it?
O15 on 18/10/2020 - 15:29

How fast will this charge a Note 7?
- plmko on 18/10/2020 - 15:49
  
  +1
  
  You might be looking at the next big bang.
  - jackary on 18/10/2020 - 19:52
    
    Taking all bets - which will explode first? The Note 7 or the decade old car in a tropical climate with air cooled lithium batteries?
ebemc on 18/10/2020 - 20:08

-3

Is this compatible with a 2006 Volkswagen Jetta?
- jackary on 18/10/2020 - 20:14
  
  +1
  
  Yes
  - YRT on 18/10/2020 - 21:15
    
    too expensive for a trickle charger.
    
    charger probably worth more than the car!
demod on 18/10/2020 - 22:34

Yeah, don't listen to all these keyboard hero experts. I got a 2016 30kw g spec leaf from Japan. Only a few thousand K on the clock. . Cost about 23k, arrived like new. Has been rock solid for 1.5 years now. I have a 10 amp or 8 amp selectable charger on a standard outlet charging off solar. It's great for short trips around town. Done a few moderately longer trips. Fast chargers can get you back to 90% in about half an hour. Lots of aftermarket options popping up now days for the leaf, so I'm not worried about batteries if I ever need then replaced. I got my charger from evolution Australia. Who I also got to convert my dash to english. These guys would be who I'd check with for a new battery if I didn't want to do it myself.
- netjock on 19/10/2020 - 10:40
  
  It isn't keyboard heros when you heard it from Youtubers (who just want to make a video to get some eyeballs to make a few dollars).
  
  Owners vs the people who always want to crap all over you for saving a buck instead of buying what is more expensive. Nothing wrong with being cheap. Everyone is on here waiting for Telsa to put the decimal incorrectly to the left and buy 10 to put on eBay.
  
  Glad that you enjoy your car and correcting people.
jihape on 19/10/2020 - 12:42

I would've gone for a Toyota hybrid if it was my money and I wanted a car with electric motors.

Hope the Nissan will serve you well.
starter on 19/10/2020 - 14:14

+2

This might help

https://trials.originenergy.com.au/trial/s/ev-personal
- justdigi on 19/10/2020 - 18:30
  
  +1
  
  Now that should be posted as a deal. Ends up costing $1. I’m going to see if I can get on that program instead.
  - starter on 20/10/2020 - 10:33
    
    You can do the honours
- Steptoe on 19/10/2020 - 22:12
  
  When did it open for applications?

This was posted 4 years 1 month 6 days ago, and might be an out-dated deal.

Electric Car (EV) Home Charger - 32A Level 2 SAEJ1772 - $371 (30% off) + Delivery ($0 with Prime/$39 Spend) @ lefanev Amazon AU

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