I know I am…given the terrible 3080 launch from nvidia. That and a new ryzen platform for Xmas.
Waiting for big navi?
NotAnAudiophile on 05/10/2020 - 19:30
Last edited 05/10/2020 - 20:07
Last edited 05/10/2020 - 20:07
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No i'm waiting for stock on a 3080 ;/
10gb ram is a joke ..
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3080 really should have at least 16gb ram
@Zachary: No, he's right. The RTX 3090 (Ampere Titan?) is a 4K card. The 3080 is about 10-15% slower, so naturally it is a proper 4K card also.
I believe we will see a 2x 10GB VRAM version of the RTX 3080 sooner than later. Otherwise, it can come in the form of a RTX 3080-Super, or an RTX 3080Ti. So this 20GB model (extra memory) should alleviate concerns.
The industry has established that 4GB VRAM is the base level for 1080p gaming, whilst 8GB VRAM is necessary for 1440p gaming. For 4K gaming the standard will be 16GB VRAM. Right now you could get away with only 8-12GB VRAM for 4K-gaming, as many older and current titles scale up decently. However, games coming in the near future will have higher fidelity as they've more immersive textures and assets, thanks to the next-gen consoles. You really don't want to bottleneck your system. This could be a slow or few-thread CPU, not enough DDR4 System RAM, very slow storage, network issues…. and as alluded to not having enough VRAM.
@Zachary: It *might * do 8K, but expect that in something old, ugly, and easy like CS:GO. Donut expect proper 8K Gaming on a more current title like CyberPunk 2077.
Remember 8K resolution is 7680 x 4320…. that's x16 Times more pixels than 1080p. If we take the GTX 1650 (4GB, Non-Super, PCIe Low Profile version) as the standard for 1080p gaming, and we expect to increase performance by x16 fold, well the RTX 3090 doesn't cut the mustard. Going off the raw hardware specifications, the difference is around x5. And by synthetic benchmarks, it's (rounded up) 13,000 / 2,000 (rounded down) = x6.5 at best case scenario. I would think it's going to be closer to a x4 difference in real-world use which is a far cry from the x16 figure, but bang-on for proper 4K Resolution scaling (3840 x 2160).
Donut
MMmmm, donuts…..
well the RTX 3090 doesn't cut the mustard
So we need to wait a few more generations before 4320p gaming becomes a thing?
Enjoy the wait, im loving my RTX 3090 that i have right now.
Why the downvote, I wonder? Just because you're clearly filthy-rich? 😁
Not after buying the 3090. I feel like Nvidia pulled a fast one considering the minor performance/$$$ compared to the 3080.
It's definitely a premium over the 3080, I don't mind though I had saved up enough money and simply wanted the best 3000 series which is the 3090.
Just deciding if i should take the plunge and attempt a custom watercooling loop, though i think i may end up waiting for either the new AMD CPU's or new Intel to replace my 9900kf first.@Axelstrife: Have you looked into undervolting or deshrouding?
I'm tempted myself for the next build.
Definitely at least 10-15% richer than the rest of us lol
The 3080, PS5, and Xbox pre-orders have been 'terrible,' because of COVID's impact on global supply chains + unprecedented uptick in home entertainment = demand vastly outstripping supply. What makes you think Big Navi's launch will be any better? Given that AMD is also making Zen 2 chips for the new consoles, it's entirely plausible that Big Navi will be just as, if not more, supply-constrained than the RTX 30XX series.
Ryzen, yes. Navi, no. AMD just can't match Nvidia's tech especially DLSS & CUDA, Reflex, Broadcast, Studio etc.
Raw performance is only half the story if other things aren't equal too.
TL;DR - Don't believe in "Fine Wine", and stop listening to AMD fanboys.
The announcement will be full of exaggerations. Only wait for proper reviews from professional, unbiased, trusted, third-party enthusiasts such as HardwareUnboxed.Long rant:
What's funny is that Maxwell to Pascal was a bigger leap in performance, and in value too.Yet that was not hyped as much as what we have with the RTX-3000 series. And for those forgetting, during Pascal's early days everyone was waiting to see how AMD is going to respond. Why? It was because AMD was kinda ahead/competitive during the 28nm launch (GTX 680 vs HD7970), and they were ahead/competitive the (GTX 780Ti vs R9 290X) next generation too. So it was a fair assumption to think that with the next big node jump (28nm to 14nm) that AMD would surpass Maxwell and catch up to Pascal. That didn't happen. However, people made the excuse that AMD was simply releasing their Small Polaris cards, and Big Polaris was what was going to defeat Pascal. Well, Big Polaris was scrapped/changed to Vega. And then that launched as the Vega56 and Vega64 to extremely disappointing results. Then they leaped ahead to 7nm, with the Radeon VII, and even that wasn't impressive against Pascal despite the huge lithography difference. Now, RDNA is an architecture built upon GCN, but it's different enough and advanced enough that we saw AMD claw some market back last year. The next series will use the same 7nm-TSMC node, so all improvements will come from their architectural improvements and GDDR6/X.
So I'm extremely skeptical of AMD. It's going to be very hard for them to make a 2021 RX-6000 (or 7000 ?) series card that's significantly faster than the RX 5700XT in games. I hope they prove me wrong. My guess is at best they will equal the RTX 3080. At worst they will equal the RTX 2080-Super (RTX 3060 ?). Highest probability is they will be slightly behind the RTX 3070 (IN GAMES !!) based on my sense of things.
Curious to see what the overclocking headroom is for the 3070/Ti since Nvidia have pushed the 3080 quite far to its limit. Also curious to see what the difference between GDDR6 and GDDR6X (and/or HBM) is when everything else is the same, but probably won't get that.
Unless AMD is going to make X370 compatible with Zen3 (not going to happen), don't think I'm going to care too much about it, though it is very nice to see AMD make such progress in this space. What's next for CPU though? I think there's a wall somewhere above 5GHz for single core performance where it gets too hot (70 degrees+) to go any further.
I'm super excited about Navi, hoping it's going to be killer GPU sitting between the 3080 and 3090 in peformance. The only thing I have seen so far is the usual rumours etc. that aren't particularly reliable. Heard a theory that the "Big Navi" preview in the Zen 3 launch wasn't their biggest Navi and they were saving that for the launch. Who knows, fingers crossed.
All I know is we desperately need real competition from AMD, there a few things I'm very unhappy about Nvidia at the moment. At the same time can't get on the hype train too early and get too excited. How many times have AMD been a mild disappointment with GPU launches the last few years?
All the best to you my friend xx