Suggest ITX Built for Graphics/Web Design

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  G-rig on 06/09/2020 - 11:08

  +2

  That combination looks pretty good for the price, I like how the case can accommodate a standard PSU although people may suggest a SFX PSU for less space/heat/noise perhaps. I'm not really a fan of the cube thou, looks bigger than you think if you've seen some videos. Something like The meshify C with good airflow isn't much bigger, the NZXT h210 wouldn't be much bigger and more workable.

  I got a MSI b450m mortar Max so something similar is good at that price point, features and quality.

  Got that same GPU for a second build, imagine would be good for general desktop work and light gaming, not sure I'll bother with this build at all yet, was going to get a h210 case but bit big for it.

  Edit: it was actually the ASUS RX580 8GB Dual OC PCIe Video Card and i5 9400 2.90GHz 6 Core CPU , both for $400 delivered with the recent computer alliance eBay deal to give you an idea.

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  Diji1 on 06/09/2020 - 11:10

  Going ITX will result in a slower, noisier computer under load with less upgrade options, an ATX mid tower based design would be more suitable albeit probably more expensive as far as case.

  Also I would use Nvidia GPU unless you are fully aware of any shortcomings that AMD may have with regards to the tasks you want to carry out - and even then you still have a less flexible machine if you decide to do something else later such as live streaming.

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    CMH on 06/09/2020 - 17:46

    +1

    Maybe for size reasons go for mATX. Slightly bigger than ITX, and tbh most ITX cases out there are getting into the mATX size anyway.

    Would save a few dollars, I think mATX mobos and cases are a bit cheaper, and if you can use normal sized PSU instead of SFX PSU you save a bit more there too.

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      harik on 06/09/2020 - 21:59

      Yeah thinking to consider mATX based on the suggestions here. Thanks

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  [Deactivated] on 06/09/2020 - 11:47

  +1

  Just make sure the GFX card will fit in tiny case 👍

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  apsilon on 06/09/2020 - 12:12

  If you're not going to be gaming why not just use the integrated graphics?

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    harik on 06/09/2020 - 15:44

    I thought about that too. Lets see what suggests I get here.

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      apsilon on 06/09/2020 - 16:53

      I did some checking and it seems Photoshop will now use the GPU for some functions. You don't say what software you're intending to use but if they also use the GPU then I'd suggest going for one rather than integrated graphics.

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        harik on 06/09/2020 - 22:01

        I'll be mostly using Adobe Photoshop, Lightroom, illustrator.

        Thinking to get one but not too grade.

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  xuqi on 06/09/2020 - 13:40

  +3

  Suggest changing the RX570 to a GTX1650Super, as the Nvidia drivers are far more optimised for productivity app use.
  https://www.umart.com.au/Asus-GeForce-GTX-1650-Super-Phoenix…
  https://www.umart.com.au/Gigabyte-GeForce-GTX-1650-Super-OC-…

  If you can squeeze it in to your budget and with RAM being very cheap just now, I'd go for 32GB.

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    harik on 06/09/2020 - 15:44

    Sounds good. Thanks for the input.

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      smashman42 on 07/09/2020 - 13:07

      The other detail would be the 1650S would run a hell of a lot cooler than a polaris card, if you're sticking with ITX it might matter.

      I have this exact model in an ITX cube and it gets 10c hotter with the lid on than off - so glad I didn't go RX570/80 in that machine

      https://www.shoppingexpress.com.au/buy/galax-geforce-gtx-165… - $229 + shipping

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        G-rig on 07/09/2020 - 13:51

        Always something, may return that card too, or just install in my old Case but pretty big for a media server/tv computer. Onboard would do lol.

        Good point with itx builds though, expensive if you want cool and quiet

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        harik on 07/09/2020 - 14:02

        I've changed the card to 1650S as you recommended. my last comment have new updated parts.

        Also going to consider mATX at this point.

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  conza on 06/09/2020 - 14:01

  +2

  The budget is tight, but if you can carry over an SSD then $1000 should be doable.

  Nothing wrong with ITX, I really like ITX, but didn't see any reason why you wanted it specifically? smaller mATX might be a good option to consider, better bang for buck.

  I'd also swap in the 2600, but it depends on the programs you're running, maybe they aren't that intensive, 32GB might be a good way to go, possibly even more VRAM? I'm not sure

  See with an SFX PSU (not required but ideal, much easier to build with), and a 2600 you can get it down to below $1000, but there's still no SSD, chucked in an NVME M.2, I don't know if it's necessary, it's possible a SATA SSD will be perfectly fine and you can stretch and extra $20 to get to 480-512GB

  https://au.pcpartpicker.com/list/hjKqx6

  Couldn't help myself, here's an mATX version

  https://au.pcpartpicker.com/list/NsBqx6

  Then one with 32GB Ram and a larger SSD, still under $1000

  https://au.pcpartpicker.com/list/sxC87T

  Selected the Pro-MAX because if you had a reason to use the 3600 this is already bios updated, some older B450s might need a bios update and may need a 2nd Gen CPU to perform this.

  Deepcool MATREXX 30 is small, cheap, comes with a fan which you can remount at the front to have positive pressure and dust filtering

  Silverstone Essential 550W is 80+ Bronze, well known manufacturer and went up to 550W to allow for some future upgrades, 450W would be fine for the current system.

  EDIT Found an 8GB RX 570, I am not sure if you'll need it but it's basically the same cost so why not?

  https://au.pcpartpicker.com/product/GzpmP6/asus-radeon-rx-57…

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    harik on 06/09/2020 - 15:49

    +1

    Wow, This is very helpful, Thank you for your effort. I really appreciate it.

    I want something smaller as possible but the one you suggested looks good too.

    I Mostly use Adobe Photoshop, Illustrator, Lightroom and some Local host apps MAMP/Local etc.

    My Macbook is still working fine with all of these apps but when I process lots of photos on lightroom I feels the lagging.

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      conza on 06/09/2020 - 16:22

      +1

      No worries, enjoy parting stuff out. One last thing I realise I didn't mention, in the ITX build swapped to a CM Elite 130, I quite like the TT Core V1 as well but it went out of stock at $69 and this is a similar case, may be some minor pros/cons to either one.

      But you can see the premium for shrinking down, motherboards are about twice as expensive, PSUs are about 50% more expensive, so are cases (roughly).

      I was interested in the programs to see if there was any general advice.

      For code compiling AMD are the best bang for buck CPUs, more cores and threads are very helpful so I'd remain on this platform for sure, also offers future upgradability for 3rd or 4th Gen Ryzen in the future, Intel at this price point become a problem for cores and threads and also with the latest motherboards memory speeds are limited to 2666 if you don't go for their top end chipset, which don't match this budget.

      For Adobe Photoshop and likely the rest of the suite I watched this YouTube video and based on their advice, I would consider keeping 16GB of RAM and spending the extra money on a higher performing GPU instead
      (Summary @9:30) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=96EEfOeNHDU

      So based on that, I'd stretch to a 1660 Super since 6GB of VRAM is still enough and for the 16 series cards the Supers are the best bang for buck, unfortunately the 1650 Super only has 4GB of VRAM which seems like it'd be a possible constraint

      https://au.pcpartpicker.com/list/jjW9sk

      EDIT: Lastly that isn't the cheapest 1660 Super but it is important to look for a decent cooler at basically any price point, check out other cheaper ones and reviews on them if you want to drill down more, but EVGA are usually pretty decent.

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      pongobyte on 06/09/2020 - 17:42

      Most likely CPU & RAM limited - go for 32GB RAM if you can, especially if you process RAW plus a fast(er) SSD and / or extra browser tabs open at the same time

      More video RAM may help as well when editing in 2k above resolutions
      Choose NVIDIA over AMD GPUs for the Adobe suite, but concentrate on your CPU and RAM for increased productivity both for coding and photo

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        harik on 07/09/2020 - 09:35

        Yeah watched that video. I'll look for GPU part for adobe softwares. Just with the motherboard with wifi would be better I guess

        Thanks again

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  G-rig on 06/09/2020 - 18:34

  +2

  I built a Ryzen 7 3700x and 32gb ram, you could always upgrade the CPU later and another 16gb ram if don't want to now, prices seem to be gradually getting better. Could always get an i5 9400 for about$200, AMD probably better for upgrade ability and future proofing I guess, always limited by ram and mobo so never bother. Should still get better performance than a laptop for the price.

  Case and cooling is always the hardest part, a cheap Itx that comes with two small fans and decent thermals and easy to work with would be ideal, hard to know which one, Also handy if can fit a stock PSU in. Mid ATX probably not much bigger than some of them.

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  harik on 07/09/2020 - 13:22

  Update so far based on your suggestions

  PCPartPicker Part List

  Type	Item	Price
  CPU	AMD Ryzen 5 3600 3.6 GHz 6-Core Processor	$309.00 @ JW Computers
  Motherboard	MSI B550M PRO-VDH WIFI Micro ATX AM4 Motherboard	$176.00 @ Newegg Australia
  Memory	Corsair Vengeance LPX 16 GB (2 x 8 GB) DDR4-3200 CL16 Memory	$95.70 @ Newegg Australia
  Storage	*Crucial P1 500 GB M.2-2280 NVME Solid State Drive	$73.50 @ Amazon Australia
  Video Card	GALAX GeForce GTX 1650 SUPER 4 GB EX (1-click OC) Video Card	$219.00 @ PC Byte
  Case	Deepcool MATREXX 30 MicroATX Mini Tower Case	$45.00 @ Umart
  Power Supply	*Antec NeoECO Gold ZEN 500 W 80+ Gold Certified ATX Power Supply	$101.00 @ Skycomp Technology
  	Prices include shipping, taxes, rebates, and discounts
  	Total	$1019.20
  	*Lowest price parts chosen from parametric criteria
  	Generated by PCPartPicker 2020-09-07 13:21 AEST+1000

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    conza on 07/09/2020 - 20:31

    I still really like my build list haha, take another look, I don't think the 3600 or the extra money on the newer chipset board will help very much, so putting that into a GPU, especially the extra VRAM will be better for Photo editing I think, 4GB of VRAM is cutting it a bit fine. Also not sure about that PSU, might be ok. Ram is fine actually, but this kit in my list is a good bit faster and is only $14 more so, yeah.
    https://au.pcpartpicker.com/list/jjW9sk

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      harik on 07/09/2020 - 20:54

      +1

      Actually I already ordered Ryzen 5 3600 from KOGAN since I had $20 credit offer from AMEX. But still thinking on GPU and rest of the things. I might consider 6GB GPU from your list.

      There are so many things to consider so when I change one thing there is another thing comes up lol.

      Another dilemma is on motherboard. I'll need WiFi so not sure if I should go with cheaper board and get pcie wifi card or get inbuilt Wifi Board.

      Please give me some ideas :) Cheers

      UPDATE: G.Skill Ripjaws V 16GB (2x8GB) 3600MHz CL18 DDR4 Desktop RAM Memory Kit is on $99 from shopping express what is your thought on this one..?

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        conza on 07/09/2020 - 22:13

        Yep, I'd get it, you should be able to manually tune the timings down to CL16 in the bios, and if not should be fine.

        3600 is great, I have one it will offer much better single core performance over the 2600, but it does lock you into a B450 motherboard with a bios update for Zen2, if you want wifi you could get a board with wifi on board, that's what I do but it's a premium, you could also get a USB Wifi dongle and then a board with plenty of USB ports instead. Ultimately you'll be in the same spot but do you want to spend $70 on integrated wifi or less than that on a Wifi dongle?

        1650 Super is my favourite of the 16 series, I wouldn't look at any non supers or Tis, if you are going for this route given you've spent more of your budget on other parts, then an RX 570 8GB like before or a RX 580 8GB if it's not much more, might be a better way to go. 1660 Super is still good value, very close in performance to the 1660ti, still has 6GB of VRAM, but it is 50% more expensive.

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        G-rig on 07/09/2020 - 22:25

        If keep that MSI B550M PRO-VDH WIFI Micro ATX AM4 Motherboard, $176 is cheap and it comes with a m.2 heat shield and wifi (I bought both of those for MSI b450m mortar max board which was the same price, USB wifi costs $15-30 for a decent one, nice if built-in. Changing boards is annoying, you may lose other features. USB C header is nice, but no USC C or optical output on rear, all minor differences.

        Ripjaws v is good too, I got the 3200mhz version, but 64gb. Don't think you'd notice much MHz difference between 3200-3600, currently the sweet spot.

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  teximushin on 07/09/2020 - 17:31

  Legality issue aside, should op keeps the AMD graphics card so that the option of trying hackintosh remains open?
  Haven't really tried to build a hackintosh myself but heard that newer Nvidia graphics cards don't work well with hackintosh
  Bringing this up because op said he's been using macbook pro

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    harik on 07/09/2020 - 19:36

    +1

    Yes, I've been thinking to play with Hackintosh, in the beginning I was thinking to stick to intel so It could be easier to play hackintosh but according to this https://amd-osx.com/faq/ It shouldn't be a problem.