Opening a Vanguard (VDHG) Account

It seems like it is no longer possible for individual investors to invest with Vanguard directly. When I try to open a VDHG account online, it forces us to also open an Vanguard Personal Investor (Investor Directed Portfolio Service) account, which is a fancy interface we have to pay extra for (account fee of 0.20% pa).

1) Is there a way around this? The management fee for the VDHG is 0.27% pa. If I open silly Vanguard Personal Investor account it will be total fees of 0.47% pa for something that doesn't feel like much value.

2) What are the advantages of the Vanguard LifeStrategy High Growth Fund (the managed fund equivalent of the VDHG)? The costs for this fund is 0.9% pa for first $50k, 0.6% pa for next $50k and 0.29% for balances over $100k? Is there anything this fund has that the VDHG doesn't? VDHG is already diversified so wouldn't think there would be any need for rebalancing etc.

Assuming monthly deposits with flat $9.5 SelfWealth brokerage ($114 pay):

$10k investment: ETF has fee 0.27% + 1.14% = 1.41%.

$20k investment: ETF has fee 0.27% + 0.57% = 0.84%

$50k investment: ETF has fee 0.27% + 0.25% = 0.62%

$100k investment: ETF has fee 0.27% + 0.11% = 0.38%

Would I be right in saying for larger investment (greather than around 20k), ETF is better value through SelfWealth vs the managed fund?

Comments

  • +1

    Oh I didn’t realise they’re forcing people on to the new one now.

    Best bet would be to buy the ETFs directly through a broker

  • +2

    Best bet would be to buy the ETFs directly through a broker

    Buying it direct is a thing?🤣🤣

    Just use whatever platform you normally buy shares with?

  • You can invest in Vanguard ETF products through your chosen platform. Send me a DM if you need any help.

  • i have a few ETF investments on commsec pocket, the market is up 15% since i purchased in april/may

    • If one or more of your ETF's involve the NYSE, then consider the following stats for the year-to-date:

      S&P 500: +2%
      Combination of Facebook, Amazon, Apple, Alphabet, Microsoft: +35%
      Combination of the remaining 495 companies: -5%

      There are only a few NYSE stocks that have been doing the heavy lifting for the index.

      • you forgot telsa in that list.

        • I don't have the stats that include Tesla, but their market capitalisation is a lot less than the above.

          • @kahn: ~380% up YTD

            • @[Deactivated]: I just realised that Tesla isn't yet in the S&P 500, hence the actual reason it's not included in those stats. Here's an interesting article about Tesla and the likely inclusion in the S&P 500.

  • Can we just buy that share through any online broker?

    • Yeah think we can buy VDHS through most online exchange as its an ETF. The managed fund is only available through Vanguard though.

  • +1

    1) No way around the fee

    TL;DR:
    For larger amounts you're correct, it's probably cheaper through SW, even taking into consideration investment frequency.
    I have a small balance (<$50k) and irregular income. Fund allows more flexibility for me because I can invest smaller amounts and more frequently. Since I need/prefer this flexibility, it's "cheaper" than SW, but essentially all I'm doing is paying a small fee for the flexibility in the way I invest.

    I invest in the index fund so the fee is less (0.16%) but concept is the same anyway:

    Personally, I have a smaller balance <$50k and probably won't be getting there for a while, as a student.
    I have irregular income as a casual worker + side job and I prefer to invest as often as possible rather than saving up monthly, or sometimes even less frequently, to invest. Since my income is infrequent and irregular it's difficult/annoying to automate how I distribute it between savings, investing in the fund, and other assets.

    If I did this with ETFs and an external broker the brokerage fees would eat me alive. I estimate that I would trade ~20 times a year=$190 with SW. For Vanguard to be more expensive, I would have to have an account balance of more than $50k (i.e. $190 would have to be a smaller percentage of my account balance than the management fee + account fee).

    Distribution re-investment is also more flexible for me since buying into the funds is only $1-2 per share, as opposed to $50-70 for ETFs, and my distributions are obviously smaller. :(

    Rebalancing is the other positive to funds but as you mentioned you have no need for it.

    These are just the reasons I invest in the fund as opposed to the ETF but obviously this is just because of my circumstances. Once I start a salaried job this is all irrelevant and I'll probably change in ~4-5 years.

    For larger amounts you're correct, it's probably cheaper through SW, even taking into consideration investment frequency.

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