Found this site. Might be helpful for Melbournian's.
Works well using your location or pin drop.
Useful for site context plans of local important services and transport for planning drawings
5km from home
Melb69 on 04/08/2020 - 07:01
Last edited 04/08/2020 - 07:40
Last edited 04/08/2020 - 07:40
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Made me realise that 5km covers a lot and is probably too generous.
Works out to be over 78 sqkm.
1km radius is 3.14 sqkm.
2km radius is 12.56 sqkm.
3km radius is 28.3 sqkm.
10km radius is 314 sqkm.
So even if you live next to be bay / beach, you would likely still have ~39sqkm to live within
I live on a peninsula. :( 90% of my 5km is water.
@[Deactivated]: Sounds ideal to me.
You can still get out to your nearest food/health providers if needed, and the coastline would be ideal for your 1 hour of exercise daily.@GG57: Haha. I'm not actually on a peninsula, more a hypothetical.
I overlook a cove and a peninsula and both my property and the peninsula are not part of the metro lockdown.
I will be sitting on a kayak on the cove sending my thoughts and prayers. :)
@[Deactivated]: Just remember that you can go to the supermarket for an hour with a bunch of strangers, but don’t you dare go stand on your own on a beach with a fishing rod for an hour.
@mapax: It is all about using common sense. The reason they have to have all these rules is because of all the selfish idiots not using common sense and trying to bend and manipulate the rules to enable them to do stupid things that they shouldn't be doing
@slow: Hmm.. so we have people who refuse to follow guidelines and rules. We bumped our heads together and came up with a brilliant plan.
"Even more rules!"
The definition of insanity is doing the same thing over and over again, expecting a different result.If something doesn't work, surely more something will eventually work. - war on drugs and apparently covid also.
(In other news, 800 covid +ve peeps under quarantine not at home.)
@[Deactivated]: I see it differently; there were people who refused to comply with the rules, so stronger rules with harsher penalties are introduced.
The same as ignoring red traffic lights. If a $50 fine doesn't deter drivers, make it $500 etc. There will still be some (but less) that decide the penalty outweighs the act of rebellion.penalty outweighs the act of rebellion.
It only works when the penalty actually makes a net difference to a person.
Take hypothetical me for example. I'm an unskilled 40 year with a nicotine and tobacco habit to support, and a mortgage that any half brained fool will call hopeless.
Oh, is that a $1,600 fine. Oh $5,000? $20,000. How bout just making it a nice round bazillion?
We'll be lucky to not have some of the underground industries mushroom likw it did during and after the Prohibition Era.
@[Deactivated]: If you don't think that the rules / penalties will work, what do you think will work?
@GG57: Actually enforcing self isolation. What we're doing now is shutting the gate after the horses have bolted.
800 potentially infectious people have been moving around. Whats the point of hassling a few million people when the people with the highest potential for infection are just going around. Sure, they'll pay a few bucks for it, but compared to the cost of the lockdowns, to call it a trace amount is being generous.
@[Deactivated]: Like an armed guard at every one of those residences where this has been identified an active case that has not yet been resolved, 24x7 for a couple of weeks?
I'm not sure of the numbers, I think it is a few thousand cases just now.
I suppose the authorities thought we could be treated as adults, but obviously a percentage cannot behave that way.@GG57: Or a mobile phone with tracking turned on.
Video called in at random.
Assuming the phones are single use, that is $400 a pop at the most.
Far far faaaar cheaper than any of their suggested method or implemented policies to date.
@[Deactivated]: And all the physical resources to make and record the calls, and for the overseeing of the call programme, and for the tracking of those that didn't answer the call…
Instead of a mobile phone, why not an ankle bracelet? For a few thousand.
why not an ankle bracelet?
Because
For a few thousand.
And all the physical resources to make and record the calls, and for the overseeing of the call programme
That is going to be required regadless. It exist in the current format. It is far more labour intensive to have two police officers door knock. The same two officers could make at least five times as many phone calls and the management of said officers remain unchanged.
@[Deactivated]: I don't like so proselytise, but if vaping is ever of interest to you, I think I could help a great deal with advice, information, and resources.
I switched because of the cost. I wish it was because of my health, but unfortunately that was not the motivation I needed.
@[Deactivated]: I laughed today when I read the news that people who are meant to be isolating and are found to not be at home will be given a $5000 "on-the-spot" fine.
How exactly do you give an on-the-spot fine to someone who's not present?
It's the same thing with fining homeless people for breaking curfew.@GG57: A parking ticket is associated with a car, which has a registered address.
Someone goes for a covid test, gives a fake address, tests positive, police go to the house and they're not there… where does the fine go?@ssquid: The problem is not in how the fine is managed; the problem is that the person gave a fake address.
Most people would have some form of ID for the test to be undertaken, and I assume would need to explain why that ID address is not current?
@ssquid: License and Medicare card is probably ample ID to track you down (that's what was required when I got tested)
Probably amble for some while quite restrictive for others depending how far from the city you live
I can't believe people have downvoted you. 5km radius is a huge area.
Website wont load on any browser i use.
The Age has a pretty decent tool also
https://www.theage.com.au/national/victoria/interactive-see-…Thanks, it works ok, pretty much the same as a lot of others available just now.
I assume others in Vic are the same as me; have a quick look and work out which supermarkets / butcher / baker etc., are within 5km, and then don't need to look again.
Considering police door knocked 3200 in iso in Melbourne yesterday and 800 were not home, doesn't matter what the radius is.
They didn't answer their door. The media chooses to interpret that as them not being home. In reality it's not surprising that a sick person may not answer a knock at their front door. I don't even do it when I'm healthy unless I'm expecting visitors.
Well they are suppose to expecting police checks so there goes your excuses.
So they just sit by the door all day? Can't nap? Can't watch a movie/play a game with headphones on? Can't take a bath/shower?
@ssquid: So they put a message under the door. person comes out of shower then calls in, a few minutes after the come out of shower. That will cover most of these types of issues
@RockyRaccoon: It's metro Melbourne, everyone has security screen doors preventing access to their front doors and any note left attached wouldn't be found because they're not opening their front doors due to isolating inside their house.
It's as if people blindly accept what the media says instead of being able to think for themselves.
5km is a long distance. Everyone would know that they are pushing the limits if they expect to aim and reach for the 5km limit.
Why don't people just stop trying to push the envelope?The sooner ppl stop trying to find loop holes the better. 5km is generous, but if you take the 4 reasons as the only excuse to go out there is little reason to go out otherwise. The 8pm to 5am curfew is a good idea. Stop the parties at night. Probably abot easier to catch ppl during the day.
Thanks Dedbny, much appreciated.
5km is not long. Should have set the limit at 10km.
I am of the opposite view; I think 2km would have been better.
Not everyone may be close enough to essential stores. It's possible they may reduce the limit even more. They have to set some boundary, but at the end of the day just stsy home.
It is clearly stated that if you don't have an essential outlet (i.e. food, chemist, doctor) within 5km, you can travel outside of that perimeter to the nearest provider.
There would be very few in the lockdown area that don't have those within 5km.It is when people decide that Bunnings is an essential store, or a KFC is essential, and those are outside of 5km that people will cop fines.
@GG57: I do wonder if you're korean but the closest korean shop is 10.2km away, does that count as essential?
@anastasiastarz: Really?
What if the best provider of fresh seafood is in Sydney; can I go there for that?@GG57: I'd say that's an entirely different matter. If your regular diet is Korean food then you can't really get your essentials from Woolies, Coles etc.
…yep. i bookmarked this from reddit on the weekend. good work on the PSA 👍