Lenovo ThinkPad E14 & E15 Gen 2 (AMD) pages are up for Australia!

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Lenovo ThinkPad E14 & E15 Gen 2 (AMD) pages are up for Australia! But prices will remain high for some time before it reduces to be more realistic…


Just found out Lenovo Australia finally has got its pages up for the ThinkPad E14 and E15 Gen 2 (AMD), easier to browse them than looking up all the different SKUs in separate files on PSREF. Using this a bit to lay out the specs and a bit of doing a template for possible future posts, and any discussions really. Happy for anyone to use too.

Full RRP are the usual non-sense, as they are just released, they are sitting at the full RRP atm, but should drop to similar level to its intel counterparts soon, if not cheaper.


ThinkPad E14 Gen 2 (AMD) https://www.lenovo.com/au/en/laptops/thinkpad/thinkpad-edge/… (Australian model is of Type 20T6)
(Official hardware maintenance manual, same file for both E14g2 and E15g2: https://download.lenovo.com/pccbbs/mobiles_pdf/e14_gen2_e15_…):

  • AMD Ryzen™ 5 4500U (6 Cores 6 Threads, 2.3 GHz base frequency, 4.0 GHz boost, 3MB L2 Cache, 8MB L3 Cache) OR AMD Ryzen™ 7 4700U (8 Cores 8 Threads, 2.0 GHz base frequency, 4.1 GHz boost, 4MB L2 Cache, 8MB L3 Cache)
  • Integrated AMD Radeon™ Graphics with updated Vega Graphics (4500U: 6 CUs, Max Freq 1500 MHz; 4700U: 7 CUs, Max Freq 1600 MHz)
  • 14.0" FHD (1920x1080) IPS, Anti-glare, 250 nits, Contrast 700:1, Viewing Angle 170°, 72% NTSC gamut*
  • 8GB Soldered DDR4-3200 + 1 free SO-DIMM slot, up to DDR4-3200, capable of dual channel
  • Up to two NVMe storage drives: • M.2 2242 SSD / PCIe NVMe, PCIe 3.0 x 4; & • M.2 2280 SSD / PCIe NVMe, PCIe 3.0 x 4 (NO 2.5" SATA expansion slot)
  • 1 x USB 3.2 Type-C Gen 1 (power delivery / DiplayPort), 1 x USB 3.2 Gen 1 (always-on), 1 x USB 2.0, 1 x HDMI 1.4b, 1 x RJ-45, 1 x Combo headphone/mic jack
  • Supports up to 3 independent displays (1 native display + 2 external monitors); supports external monitors via HDMI (up to 3840x2160@30Hz) or USB Type-C (up to 3840x2160@60Hz)
  • Integrated 3-cell 45Wh Li-Polymer battery; 65W 3-pin USB Type-C AC Power Adaptor, supports Rapid Charge (Battery life: Up to 13 hours in MobileMark® 2014; Up to 10.7 hours MobileMark 2018)
  • Realtek RTL8822CE, Wi-Fi 2x2 802.11ac + Bluetooth 5.0, M.2 card (OR, Intel AX200! For only $10 extra as an upgrade! However with a brief test, the customisation option is only on certain config. Hopefully it'll be rolled out to more, if not all, as the listings get more polished.)
  • Backlit keyboard, with hot keys for online meetings
  • Dimensions (W x D x H) 12.76" x 8.66" x 0.70"; 324mm x 220mm x 17.9mm
  • starting at 3.62 lb / 1.64 kg (display & bottom cover: Aluminium alloy)

ThinkPad E15 Gen 2 (AMD) https://www.lenovo.com/au/en/laptops/thinkpad/thinkpad-edge/… (Australian model is of Type 20T8)
(Official hardware maintenance manual, same file for both E14g2 and E15g2: https://download.lenovo.com/pccbbs/mobiles_pdf/e14_gen2_e15_…):

  • AMD Ryzen™ 5 4500U (6 Cores 6 Threads, 2.3 GHz base frequency, 4.0 GHz boost, 3MB L2 Cache, 8MB L3 Cache) OR AMD Ryzen™ 7 4700U (8 Cores 8 Threads, 2.0 GHz base frequency, 4.1 GHz boost, 4MB L2 Cache, 8MB L3 Cache)
  • Integrated AMD Radeon™ Graphics with updated Vega Graphics (4500U: 6 CUs, Max Freq 1500 MHz; 4700U: 7 CUs, Max Freq 1600 MHz)
  • 15.6" FHD (1920x1080) IPS, Anti-glare, 250 nits, Contrast 700:1, Viewing Angle 170°, 72% NTSC gamut*
  • 8GB Soldered DDR4-3200 + 1 free SO-DIMM slot, up to DDR4-3200, capable of dual channel
  • Up to two NVMe storage drives: • M.2 2242 SSD / PCIe NVMe, PCIe 3.0 x 4; & • M.2 2280 SSD / PCIe NVMe, PCIe 3.0 x 4 (NO 2.5" SATA expansion slot)
  • 1 x USB 3.2 Type-C Gen 1 (power delivery / DiplayPort), 1 x USB 3.2 Gen 1 (always-on), 1 x USB 2.0, 1 x HDMI 1.4b, 1 x RJ-45, 1 x Combo headphone/mic jack
  • Supports up to 3 independent displays (1 native display + 2 external monitors); supports external monitors via HDMI (up to 3840x2160@30Hz) or USB Type-C (up to 3840x2160@60Hz)
  • Integrated 3-cell 45Wh Li-Polymer battery; 65W 3-pin USB Type-C AC Power Adaptor, supports Rapid Charge (Battery life: Up to 12.7 hours in MobileMark® 2014; Up to 10.4 hours MobileMark 2018)
  • Realtek RTL8822CE, Wi-Fi 2x2 802.11ac + Bluetooth 5.0, M.2 card (OR, Intel AX200! For only $10 extra as an upgrade! However with a brief test, the customisation option is currently only on E14g2. Hopefully it'll be rolled out to the E15g2 as well as the listings get more polished.)
  • Backlit keyboard, with hot keys for online meetings
  • Dimensions (W x D x H) 14.37" x 9.45" x 0.74"; 365mm x 240mm x 18.9mm
  • Starting at 3.75 lb / 1.7 kg (Display cover: Aluminium; Bottom cover: PC/ABS plastic )

Notes/thoughts:

  • Spec summary used product webpages, and the PSREF files of the base specs for AU models: E14g2, E15g2
  • Display: *72% NTSC gamut - this info is not found on any public accessible sources, but obtained from Lenovo AU's online rep (via online chat function). At the moment, there are no "shareable references" according to the rep. The rep also said the intel based E14/E15 share the same panel as the E14g2/E15g2. Hopefully this is accurate enough and will be consistent for the actual units shipped. In the sense that they won't change to lower gamut panels to reduce cost or other supply chain matters, so it won't be a lottery.
  • Processors/performance misc: It's a bit disappointing to see OEMs mainly just opting for the non-SMT parts to maximise their profits but heavily reduces multi-thread workload performance. I suppose that's one of the banes for the budget market (although non-SMT parts are also observed in higher end product lines sigh). Dishearteningly though, intel line up often have the higher end of the product tiers. The CPU performance of the 7nm AMD Renoir chips are quite extensively reviewed now and they offer the best performance in the same power (and price) category. The GPU just knocks intel's offerings, except for the highest GPU config i.e. -G7 designated chips, which should perform on par for the 6 and 7 CUs integrated updated Vega.
  • Thermal solutions: good to see Lenovo's thermal solution contains at least 2 heatpipes (compared to the single heatpipe Acer Swift and Dell Inspiron). While more can still be desired, let's hope it'll do at least a better job than the Acer Swift and Dell Inspirons (and other single heatpipe solutions) and not throttle the chip too heavily.
  • Storage options: Look like for the portable/<2kg machines of Lenovo's line up is now completely ruling out 2.5" drives? No more 2.5" SATA drive bays, but quite nice to have 2 NVMe slots. The default NVMe option that comes with the device seems to be of 2242 PCIe NVMe format. This seems good as more often it's easier to find 2280 format drives to purchase for own expansion. The location of the slots however, may be of interest for some attention. Looking at the schematics from the maintenance manual, the Left shorter 2242 slot is very close, if not next to, the thermal exhaust fan (not sure how close it really is, as the schematic is angled). Considering the recent testing done by Hardware Unboxed on the ASUS TUF A15, which had the NVMe SSD installed at the slot next to the fan and had very high running temperatures. It'll be good if the 2242 NVMe drive can be installed onto the more thermally vacant Right 2280 slot.
  • Memory configuration: the situation of the soldered memory design will probably be okay for most people, but makes it tricky for people needing >16GB RAM. Adding a 8GB SODIMM memory stick of 3200MHz will get you best performance by enabling dual channel. It'll add a bit of extra cost (~$65 currently) but very worthwhile. For people needing >16GB, there's a max total RAM limit of 24GB, dual channel (if possible) will only be limited to the first 16GB, then single channel for the remainder. Also until actually tested, it's not sure if the dual channel mix mode will actually be functional.
  • Battery life: battery capacity seems to be similar to last gens, considering the chips have improved efficiency, while the quoted spec battery life is quite unrealistic, but there's hope it'll reach 6-8 hrs with realistic use (depending on workload).
  • WiFi: $10 upgrade to intel AX200 available. Enough said.
  • Keyboard: backlit keyboard upgrade now available(just checked again it's the standard option) (although personally I was never bothered without it)

Comments

  • I am a bit disappointed at the weight of the E14. Asus comes in at 1.2kg for the AMD 14" (prev generation, expect the same for the 2nd gen).

    • I'm fine as long as they are 2kg or under. I personally don't prefer too light, there's physical limitation on how light a laptop can be, and still have adequate thermal solutions.

  • Nice write up. E4xx/E5xx have been one of OzBargain's most posted laptops. Hopefully the new AMD based E14/E15 would drop their price to under $1k soon.

  • I think the page for ThinkPad x13 is up as well, at least I remember seeing it in the edu store..

    • +1

      ThinkPad X13 AMD? Surprisingly it's actually cheaper than the Intel-based ThinkPad X13 (starting $1799 vs $2299) and R5 Pro 4650U is going to demolish the i5-10210U in performance.

      • would be nice if they have a higher resolution screen option, too bad x13 yoga is intel only..

  • There's a great deal on the Education store for these. Got myself an E14 with 4700U and 16GB RAM.
    https://www.ozbargain.com.au/node/549085

    • Should I upgrade the storage and get myself another SSD? Also, what about the other things like the fingerprint scanner, etc…seriously asking. Thanks.

  • As mentioned in the other post. If the E14 AMD is using the same panel as the Intel version I don't think that they are 72% NTSC. According the Notebook Check review, the 250 nits display achieved only 59.6% sRGB, so around 45% NTSC.

    https://www.notebookcheck.net/Lenovo-ThinkPad-E14-Laptop-Rev…

    • =S that's what I feared initially, and without any concrete spec reference that's publicly published, Lenovo can easily just switch and use any panels that suit their profit

  • Thoughts on these for a student? Also, which one would be preferable for someone who uses it to consume content and do college work, with some very, very light gaming?

    • +2

      With the educational offer deal posted above, it is a great deal in general for a student, except for some specific areas of needs:

      • need of discrete graphics (for the fields of AI learning or other computational needs requiring a discrete graphics processor; cad engineering needs; gaming at high frame rates for modern AAA games etc)

      • need of a colour accurate screen of the level suitable for professional work (photography, videography, visual arts)

      That's the two that are on top of my mind. They are usually requirements that you'd know already what to look for.

      Personally I see quite some pluses for the device:
      - price/affordability in terms of hardware (namely Ryzen here) power and capability it offers: best in the same price/efficiency class
      - ThinkPad keyboards: generally well received and considered one of the best in class keyboards - great for heaps of typing
      - current gen hardware that improves a lot of previous shortfall eg battery life, and wifi performance (via the $10 Intel ax200 wifi card upgrade)
      - backlit keyboard option now available for those that need it (didn't bother me personally before)
      - can handle all tasks quite well (unless specified above)

      Gaming metrics will require bit more specifics in terms of type of game, resolution and target frame rate. You'll mostly be targeting 720p-1080p resolutions depending on the game, and 30fps for more demanding AAA modern games. While eSport competitive gaming or settings will achieve 60fps quite okay.

      • Thank you so much for the detailed response! It's really helped. Also, 14 or 15 inches? They're pretty similar in weight, or are there other considerations to take into account? Thanks once again!

        • +1

          14" or 15" is really a matter more of personal preference in terms of portability and screen size, for this gen at least, as the E14g2 and E15g2 has pretty much the same heatsink/thermal solutions.

  • Has anyone who ordered through the education store received any shipping updates yet?

    • Just got one. "Shipped On 02/07/2020" with a tracking number. ETA in Melbourne 9/7. Then probably another couple of days to get to me. That's not bad.

  • +1

    Some early reviews coming in. Main letdown is the relatively low brightness and colour gamut of the screen (59.5% sRGB for E14 and 62.1% sRGB for E15), and downward firing speakers - stuff that we more or less knew already. Thermal performance under load seems good - pretty much in line with the Ideapad 5. Aside from the chassis, there seems to be very little separating the Ideapad and the Thinkpad Edge at the moment - apart from the Ideapad being almost impossible to get at the moment.

    Thinkpad E14:
    https://translate.google.com/translate?hl=en&sl=ja&u=https:/…

    Thinkpad E15:
    https://translate.googleusercontent.com/translate_c?depth=1&…

    Ryzen 4700U benchmarks (from Thinkpad E15):
    https://translate.googleusercontent.com/translate_c?depth=1&…

  • Hi everyone,

    I want to use two external monitors. But if I use the USB-C as display output, does it mean the charger can't be plugged in?

    Thanks.

    • Its serves both - display output as well as charges the laptop.

  • I am thinking to buy this ThinkPad E15 Gen 2 Ryzen 5 4500U for $859 via Student Discount Lenovo.

    The main hesitation has been the 'ships in more than 8 weeks'.

    Has anyone received it quicker?

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