Curious as to how the community feels about that.
The Return of International Students
[Deactivated] on 03/06/2020 - 22:00
Last edited 04/06/2020 - 09:40 by 1 other user
Last edited 04/06/2020 - 09:40 by 1 other user
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- 134Too soon
- 31I'm happy to let them in for semester 2
- 2Other
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There are about 500000 international students already in the country. Many of whom have lost their jobs and can no longer afford to pay rent or food, let alone exorbitant tuition fees. They are pressuring their embassies to organise flights to get out of here. I wonder if once we open the border their won't be more students leaving than coming in.
Wasn't aware there were any Australian Government regulations in place to stop foreigners leaving??
There isn't but there is no flight and most countries have closed their borders. Mauritius is one those countries. The first repatriation flight for Mauritians stuck in Oz is set for this Friday.
i heard they were giving out a $200 food voucher to international students in the city (melbourne). i think they had to sign up
I am not sure of how much money they bring apart from course fees. Most work while here under award wages and force wages down for Australia's vulnerable citizens
I say let the Uni's bleed and get rid of International students. Or make it illegal for them to work and doing a degree here does not get auto Citizenship.
Or make it illegal for them to work and doing a degree here does not get auto Citizenship.
Would they come if that was the case? Last time I checked, the university of Melbourne barely made it in the top 50 universities in the world and Monash was 75th. Australia isn't necessarily the destination you go to if you want a world-class degree, despite what most Australians seem to think.
The university of Toronto, for instance, was ranked in the top 20 and they are more welcoming of migrants in Canada than here.Edit: Tsinghua University and Peking university in China are ranked about the same as UOM. Education is not our 3rd biggest export; PR is.
Not sure how much more expensive uni fees are but I remember my friend in high school paying private school rates at a public school. So I'm assuming uni's get a fair amount of money from international students.
Also, I don't know about the stats but I've encountered many international students at uni that don't work and are financially supported by their parents. They go shopping, eat out, pay for rent/boarding, watch movies, travel etc. which all bring money in.
Also, one of my uni lecturers once told our class about the lack of funds Aussie uni's face. I think he said compared to America, Aussie graduates don't really donate to their alma mater once they graduate. So I think the uni's probably need the money from international students.
Edit: LOL! I didn't realise I was replying to a 2month+ post. Please ignore…I'm suffering from boredom due to the coronavirus lockdown.
I'm also replying to a 2 month+ old post too because it's worth pointing out that the average international student in Australia puts around 45k+ into the economy for every year of their studies in Australia. Not just course fees, also rent, discretionary spending, family visiting and spending money here, etc. etc. Most international students who go home after their course finishes return for a holiday when they get older and get married too, plus big soft power gain when they get home and tell their friends how great it was.
UQ will be happy.
Does UQ being happy makes you happy?
No. Like many Australian Universities they're bending the knee to Beijing.
Would China allow their students to come to Australia? There's some bad blood there despite both countries denying it.
Kow Tow. Bending the knee is a western thing. Forehead knocking on pavers is what Chinese prefer.
A lot of international students left before covid and couldn’t get back. Many probably wouldn’t have left if they knew they’d not be able to.
As long as they’re quarantined for 2 weeks, then they should be allowed back.
I do feel for many of them. Especially those in their final year who are so close to finishing.
A lot of international students left before covid and couldn’t get back.
Most students were distance learning including those who were in Australia.
Yes, in semester one. We don’t know what semester 2 will bring. And also, uni isn’t just about attending and passing classes. Imaging have lived in Aus for 1,2,3 years and not being able to come back to see your friends or, if in the last semester, pack up your life and say goodbye to where you called home for many years.
It’s not just about being able to attend classes. It’s about letting people continue living where they were, and where they’re allowed to, until their studies are over. It is their home for that duration, they should be allowed to be here.
I agree but you and I, who see them as people first rather than cash cows to be milked, are in the minority.
Get them to pay the 2 weeks accommodations and food costs.
Who are "they"? China may not allow their students to come to Australia. As for students from India and Nepal, they rely heavily on working while they are studying to support themselves. I don't reckon they will come knowing that there is no work to be found here.
Temporary visa holders and international students.
They're here to learn not to work also their visa states that they have to have sufficient funds in case of an emergency. 10k i think.
Even if we have a quarantine, we are putting the military, police, health services and whole country at risk. The unis are in the business of selling Aus citizenship, not education. If you talk to international students, 95% of them care most about getting a job here, not the education.
And then PR status , and then ship their family in!
95% of them care most about getting a job here, not the education.
And PR.
Because that's how it's sold them. Realistically, no one is going to pay $75k + for an Australian university degree. They are paying that to get PR.
So if you believe that your heading should be changed to
The Return of International PR Applicants
So everyone is commenting on the same point.
International students are a subset of all PR applicants/ temporary migrants. At the moment, there is only talks of letting international students in the country.
@[Deactivated]: We count money that they earn from jobs here as part of the education export. That is a complete joke.
+1
Selfishly, it I believe it is time to open up the borders so I can fly out of the country for touristic purposes.
And I will own being 100% selfish because at the end of the day we are living on our lives, to our best personal standard.
Nothing like massively increasing the risk of another shut down, affecting the whole country, so the unis can make some quick cash.
@theMindSetTraveller
Given that ALL of the latest cases are from returning quarantine, I'd think it'd be a waste of the economic nuclear bomb we just did.
From a disease control POV, charge all returning tourists the full whack to quarantine for 14 days at a hotel, and full cost of treatment if you effectively willingly infected yourself with covid-19. 2 weeks in Bali would be $ plus $$$ and reduce (not eliminate) the spread into locally acquired clusters.
Holiday here/spend here, give your neighbours/local industries your business, insist on Australian manufactured, reinvest in Australia with your holiday dollars. Bali etc. will always be there. I'd rather go when it's enjoyable than when you've always got to be on your guard about every little cough when walking past someone that wouldn't make it a nice trip would it?
On an upvote side, at least you can acknowledge being a kn*b about wanting it, and aren't pretending it would be in anyones interest except your own selfish ones, so kudos for that!
at least you can acknowledge being a kn*b about wanting it, and aren't pretending it would be in anyones interest except your own selfish ones, so kudos for that!
unlike the Vice-chancellors of the top 10 unis in Australia, who are pretending it's all for the country when really it's all about them and their $1 mil+ salary.
I agree, does anyone remember how the Uni's were basically bragging about helping international students "avoid" quarantine by "self isolating" in a third country first? The student then went on holiday, partied, caught and spread the disease, and then came here!
It seems as though the University system is reliant on this money. I wouldn't begrudge a top academic contributing to the sum of human knowledge a massive salary. I would however questions their moral compass when they put money before their own students welfare.
VCs get paid to manage, not to contribute to the "sum of human knowledge." RMIT's vice-chancellor, Martin Bean, for example, does not even have an academic background. He only holds a Bachelor of Education which in Victoria would only qualify him to work as either an early childhood educator or a primary school teacher. Yet, he gets paid $1.1 million.
@[Deactivated]: I'll have to hold my response (furiously logs on to apply for a bachelors of education)!.
I guess that's the difference between facilitating change and being the change. A lot of research wouldn't exist without some sort of structure (however insanely remunerated) so there must be some value in it. Like I said, I couldn't imagine any job being that highly valued, but they obviously do somehow!
And, to be fair, you'd need balls of steel to be a primary school teacher, they can be feral!
@seraphim2017: Too bad they didn't use their power to facilitate change when international students were at risk of becoming homeless and starvation. Everyday Australians had to step in and offer them shelter and local businesses gave them free food.
As for applying for a bachelor of Education, don't mother. My son's kinder teacher is happy to step in if they ever need a replacement for Martin Bean. She has the kind of leadership skills that you can only dream of ;)
Here comes the 2nd wave of COVID19
Get ready everyone
Stock up on facemasks and hand sanitizer whilst you canPSA: TPs are half-price at woolies this week.
Fact check. International students do not come to Australia for its superior education. Honestly, its worst than most developing countries. Students are attracted through pathways to citizenship and deliberate loopholes like a "strict" 20 hours work per week. You substract citizenship from the menu - you loose billions of dollars (32+ billion dollors per anum) that students bring into this country. They work, pay the fee, pay rent, pay for transportation, pay for groceries and more than that pay higher fee than the locals do for the same course and they know it.
need a poll option 'As soon as it is safe to do so'
They bring a truck load of money into our economy without them Unis will be bleeding cash!