I ordered some sunglasses from sunglasshut and when I went to track, it said it's coming from China. Is this normal? Considering these glasses are 'Italian Made', do they just store it in China? Also, funninly enough DHL can ship from another country than AusPost can ship from my neighbours to mine. Ordered Adidas shoes that were shipped about a month ago and it seems like it's hardly even left where they dropped it off.
What if the handle says made in Italy? Is this false information?
You know that a lot of old Tag Heuer watches say made in Switzerland on the face? They used to make the cases in China, buy a cheap ETA movement from China, ship them both to Swizterland and put them together.
It's just praying to people's vanity, like Burberry sunglasses.
I'll leave this here to appeal to your vanity:
https://www.pinterest.com.au/pin/427349452139618322/
This is what most of the world associates with the Burberry brand.
Well no, I don't really care for specific brands or where it's made, my question was more so why is being shipped from China if it's made in Italy as someone said earlier, it's just a distribution centre. It's a mother's day gift and I just wanted to buy her something nice for a change now that I make money. I didn't pay a large amount of money for it either, it was on special. Actually, I couldn't really care less where it's made, nor does my mum even know the brand, I've just had bad experiences with cheap unbranded sunglasses that break relatively quickly. My mum doesn't care about brands either she's been wearing the same $10 Harris scarf clothes for years. I know I'm paying a premium, but branded things from my experience last a lot longer, e.g shoes. I hardly even knew Burberry before I bought it, it just matched my criteria as my mum has glaucoma, size, polarized and looks so I bought it. Brand wasn't even a consideration. We used to not have much money and could only afford cheap items that frequently broke or tore, like bags and shoes. My first 'expensive' bag was nearly $200 and it's lasted me over 10 years. Nike shoes last me at least 5. Again, I couldn't care less what the brand is, so don't say it's appealing to my Vanity.
However, I didn't want to buy something that was made in China but claimed to be made in Italy. I wish they were more open. Regarding the watches, yeah that's fine, whether the case is made in China or Switzerland, it would be roughly the same. How it's constructed is what matters.
@[Deactivated]: You should have bought your mum a bag of weed.
And you're not understanding my point about the watches. And it's not fine if they advertise the watch being Swiss made, and it's Chinese.
@[Deactivated]: and you're not understanding my original question, it was just odd it was being shipped from China since I thought it was Australian stock and the speed is amazing compared to AusPost. They get parts from china and china gets raw materials from Australia, is it Australia made then? China doesn't necessarily make bad products. Also, what I meant by it was 'fine' was that it doesn't bother me.
@[Deactivated]: Mate, you're not getting the point @Burnertoasty is saying, just because something is label "Made in Italy" doesn't really mean it is. There's legal definitions like in watches, parts made in China but assembled in Swiss can legally be claim as "Made in Swiss". I don't know what the limits are on sunnies, it could be some design in Italy, x% parts made in Italy, and rest of the parts made in China and final assembly in China, so legally allowed to labelled as "Made in Italy" - its shipped from China likely because its final assembly is in China and/or warehoused there.
And yes this is pretty common, not just in Australia, in a lot of countries they have different definition and tolerances on what "Made in xxx" is. Hardly any items are entirely made in one country nowadays with globalisation. Even a lot of our produce are exported to be processed outside the country to be imported back in like say canned goods, etc.
So to your question is is false advertisement, No it is not legally if it fits the legally allowed definition. By normal laymen definition yea, but not much you can do about it lodging formal complaints to say fair trading if they haven't breach any legal definitions. If you're really really sour about it the proper channel is to get whatever law that allows it amended via your council member.
@arislan: No I get that, as long as they're not breaching legal definitions then can't complain. As I said, I don't mind, not everything made in China is crap. You should be telling Burnertoasty, he's the one who said, and I quote, "And it's not fine if they advertise the watch being Swiss made, and it's Chinese.". I was just curious as to whether they were breaching any legal definitions.
I'm not sour at all, I was just confused when he said I bought it to appeal to my vanity.
Franchises like Sunglass Hut pay for the brand. How they get their stock made or which distribution centre they get it from is up to them. Obviously it has to be legitimate and sanctioned by the brand name but it can come from anywhere in the world. About 5% off the actual glasses are made in Italy. That's why you're better off getting good knock offs. Basically what you're paying for anyway.
Yes they are, but in factories made up of Chinese workers.
Located in China
Yes, some outright lie and just put the label on without a care. But a lot of Italian factories have been sold off to Chinese companies and entrepreneurs, and are located within Italy to keep the “made in Italy” label, but are run and staffed exclusively by Chinese people.
What makes you think they're 'Italian Made'?
The closest I can see to that being true is "Designed in Italy, Made in China".
Aren't are authentic Burberry made in Italy?
Seeing as Burberry is British, highly doubtful. I think they are produced by Luxottica like most sunglasses in the world.
So when it says made in Italy on the handle, is this false information?
I think most online orders from Sunglass Hut ship from China. I've ordered a few pairs and the same thing happened to me. You should receive them relatively quickly with DHL.
I see, thanks! Glad it's normal
The parent company uses China as a distribution centre
So are people going to be racist, and say Chinese people cannot do things as well as Italian's?
Or are they going to take the equally silly view that being made in Italy means it's higher quality than if it was made in China?
Yes and no.
The human mind is many things, but one thing it excels at is pattern recognition. So stereotypes are a natural byproduct of this. I'm not condoning any particular stereotype, but in many cases they have some basis in truth. After all, the lesser accurate stereotypes are essentially killed off like natural selection. There is a case to be made that the presence of a stereotype causes positive loops that further cause the stereotype to be true. Sort of like a self-fulfilling prophecy. For instance, if you were told "Asians are bad drivers" enough times you will internalise this as "I'm not as good as other drivers" which then leads you to being a nervous driver, and that leads you to having an accident, which strengthens this meme. Of course, stereotypes are not simply negative, some are positive, such as "Blacks are faster runners" etc etc.
China and Chinese people have their own beliefs, values, and culture, as say compared to German people.
Where Germans like to over-engineer things, and in-general focus on quality, which is an old stereotype. Whereas Chinese like to rush things, and in-general focus on superficial appearances and quality. I say this coming from learned experiences, where the Germans like to have pride in their nation and work. Whilst many Chinese do play "Keeping Up" with their neighbours and coworkers, and are suspicious of goods that are Made in China. For instance, the hoarding of baby formula.
Do notice I am not saying one is better than the other. But it is simply false to say no differences exist.
I belive pre-1901 the Chinese Method was superior, as you could get a lot done with sheer quantity or manpower. But since the advent of technology employing Combustion Engines, Electricity, Radio, Airforce, Space, and Nuclear power, it has shifted the tide massively. A nation that's as small and remote as New Zealand (geographically and populationaly) can rule this planet of 8 Billion. All you have to do is make sure they're 100 years more advanced than the rest of the nations in the major technological points. Any attacking nation wouldn't stand a chance. And any nation that was under attack would be crippled easily. I think most people "know" this in some crude sense, hence why there is always favouritism towards Quality rather than Quantity, (and why all nations are in friendly-rivalry to outdo each other when it comes to innovating).
Sorry for the rant.
yeah I agree, stereotypes are of human nature and you can't simply suppress it. There is also definitely some truth to it, most of the time it's not a majority but it doesn't take much. Even Asians don't trust Asian made stuff.
A nation that's as small and remote as New Zealand (geographically and populationaly) can rule this planet of 8 Billion. All you have to do is make sure they're 100 years more advanced than the rest of the nations in the major technological points. Any attacking nation wouldn't stand a chance. And any nation that was under attack would be crippled easily. I think most people "know" this in some crude sense, hence why there is always favouritism towards Quality rather than Quantity, (and why all nations are in friendly-rivalry to outdo each other when it comes to innovating).
If my experiences of playing a lot of civ 5 has any input to this would be the larger your army, no matter how ahead the other nations are, you will always win a domination victory as long as you can keep overwhelming them with your military might….unless the other nations have nukes ready to fire and you piling up all your units in one clump can all get wiped out with one bomb or missile….of course if your technology advances are more than a few centuries behind, even with your larger military army, you might still lose……for example still using hundreds of units consisting of swordsmen, ballista/helipolis and bowmen units against a nation who's got a couple units of paratroopers and modern tanks…
Experience and morale also plays a role in military domination victory but the game only touches on experience and completely disregards morale, except only having a reference to it when you're national funds are below $0 and can't afford to pay your military units…..
@Zachary: What about the crude military-power (1901) of WW1 USSR…. except it's at a world-wide scale of say 1 Billion soldiers (out of a 8 Bil population sounds fair).
Versus a nation with only 1 Million soldiers. But they have the might of 2001 USA military.
I'm sure a few fighter jets can take out those early planes. Their slow navy wouldn't last a chance against some stealth submarines. The stockpile of missiles can take out all those early tanks. And the modern soldiers, turrets, tanks and drones can take out all those "fodder" soldiers rushing at you with bayonets and bolt-action rifles. Haven't even talked about poisons, napalm, nukes, or biological warfare. Or even having better security and communications, and relaying false information to the enemy.
And where the few get injured modern medicine would have a high chance of recovery, whilst the enemy struggles with rations, starvation, and disease. They will die in droves, so much for "morale" when everyone around you is suffering and dropping like flies.
…haven't played Civ, but doesn't sound too accurate if you ask me. A large army is also slow to react, move, and has high maintenance costs.
What about the crude military-power (1901) of WW1 USSR…. except it's at a world-wide scale of say 1 Billion soldiers (out of a 8 Bil population sounds fair).
Versus a nation with only 1 Million soldiers. But they have the might of 2001 USA military.
Well 2001 USA have nukes, so yeah they could just nuke the 1 billion soldiers before they even make to USA shorelines….unless the arsenals of nukes is not enough to kill all one billion units…. If facing head on(Without nukes as shortcuts because maybe they dont feel like wasting nukes on them or not enough to dominate or for environmental reasons or for some nuclear proliferation reason treaty that states no nations may create nuclear weapons or make more if they already have some), with one advance nation of one million units and up against all other nations totaling one billion units, but are less technological advance, well, without a proper simulation - I actually wouldn't know… The game doesn't exactly specify how many millitary personnel per unit of command in the game so I can't exactly use game data to try and figure this out. IT could be a squadron of 12 units or a battleon of 50 that you command in one go that only show up as one unit group.
…haven't played Civ, but doesn't sound too accurate if you ask me
Well they have scenarios setup of historical scenes, for example the one where Rome and the Byzantine empire used to be one before they split and basically lets you decide how it plays out or meant to play out for historical accuracy. I haven't gone through every scenario yet, since they all take longer than a full day to finish (one took almost a fortnight of non-stop playing just so I can finally get a domination victory in the end…) and haven't found time to go back to it yet.
and has high maintenance costs.
Oh yeah, when playing after AD2050, this rockets to the sky to the point that you're just simply unable to keep up with the costs and units start leaving because they aren't being paid and then you have no units in your nation to build and grow and then either another nation sees you having no units at all and try to dominate you and take over your capital city or you get your national funds below zero and the game automatically ends you after a while. Unlike real life where the government already is in the negative national funds of maybe a trillion dollars? The game doesn't end for them, they just keep piling on the debts…..and it gets bigger and bigger….
If im paying a premuim price i expect them to be made by people being paid more than $1 a day.
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So if you live in a country for 30 years you ain't a national?
its 4 years here….
Sunglass Hut is owned by a company called Luxottica, which also owns a number of our optometric stores (ie. Budget Eyewear, OPSM).
As mentioned by @Burnertoasty before, they most likely bought the rights (or are in partnership) to use a specific brand's logo and branding to manufacture sunglasses (which is very common).
That's probably where your glasses are coming from.
That's probably where your glasses are coming from.
FTFY.
I mean 'made in Italy' wasn't a selling point for me but being lied to is a different story.
loads of chinese Italians - you don't like chinese Italians?
presume you don't like chinese anything because chinese Italians are being truthful writing made in Italy if they live there…
They are made in Italy. Don't worry.
Lol. So much misinformation on this thread.These are the FACTS:
Luxottica makes the majority of its sunglasses in Italy in factories in Sedico and Agordo. All of the luxury brands made under licence are made there.
They do make some products in China also. These are made to the same standards and specifications as the Italian factories. Nothing made in China is EVER listed as Made in Italy.
Luxottica is a massive global organisation so uses China as a warehouse to distribute throughout APAC region.
yeah I thought this was the case, given people didn't even ask what the sunglasses were before assuming. I'm not too fussed where they're made, it was partly curious, partly worried it was 'fake' and also surprised how fast shipment was.
Thanks!
No worries. They get the fastest DHL freight route available so usually super fast. One thing you can be confident on, any products you buy from SGH will not be fake. It's impossible.
Hope you love your new sunnies. :)
Hi, sorry to bother you again, do you know roughly how long it would take? It was supposed to be a mother's Day gift, it's been about 2 weeks I think.
@[Deactivated]: Hi. Hmmm, should have arrived by now. For sure every company is experiencing some delays getting freight from china due to reduction so if you haven't already I would call SGH Customer service: 1800 556 926. Who I am sure can give you some more specific help.
Hope everything works out. Let me know.
Your sunglasses aren't made in Italy.