I am in the process of upgrading my home wired LAN to 10 gigabits. The QNAP QSW-804-4C does not have PoE, but otherwise ticks all boxes as out of the box it has backwards compatibility with copper RJ45 (due to the 4 x 10Gbps combo ports) and also has 4 SFP+ ports.
The total switching capacity is 160 Gbps!
Found this deal which is at least $200 cheaper than anywhere else ($716.14 cheapest elsewhere).
Even CamelCamelCamel shows that the cheapest price on Amazon US ever was USD$399.
Almost everyone with a NAS or storage Server can most likely make use of faster LAN.
I am running proper Cat6 cabling through the house just now - so I thought I should install a network with some futureproofing.
Almost everyone with a NAS or storage Server can most likely make use of faster LAN.
Not really… I do incremental backups.
install a network with some future proofing
sure, future proof with some cable but how much are you paying 'now' for 10GbE when a 1GbE unmanaged 8 port switch might be sufficient?
Yeah, 10GbE will need very fast storage, otherwise can't read/write at that speed.
I already have a 1GbE network in place and higher transfer speeds would greatly help with the large file transfers that I make daily. 1GbE may be sufficient for you now - each to their own.
@Caring: Do you have very fast SSD drive on NAS or local drive? Otherwise the network is faster than your drive can read/write.
@superforever: SSDs in all computers and servers at home. Note that even rotational drives can max out the transfer speed over 1GbE.
SSDs in all computers and servers at home.
Good
Note that even rotational drives can max out the transfer speed over 1GbE.
Depends on large files or a lot small files.
I am not saying 10GbE no good but for that price 1GbE is enough for me, I can wait for it to finish.
Current Wi-Fi 6 standard is already 1.2Gbps (for single stream). Why create a bottleneck now by buying a 1GbE switch?
upgrading my home wired LAN to 10 gigabits.
What kind of cabling do you need?
Cat5e can achieve 10gig speeds, but is not rated as such.
Cat6 at 10gig speeds is rated up to 55 metres (in most circumstances). This is very affordable at today's prices.
Running 10gig at further than 55 metres, you are looking at Cat6a or Cat7.
Isn't this a over kill? What you need to transfer at this rate ? 8k Linux iso on demand ?
Or you just have $$$ and why not principal?
Edit: give me some reasoning instead of trigger happy negatie this, genuine question.
Edit: Qnap shop has same price
It only has 4 RJ45 ports which is the let down…
This looks to be a more versatile option at a cheaper price ($349):
https://www.scorptec.com.au/product/Networking/Switches/6955…
Two 10G Ethernet ports should suffice for a home backbone/trunk, and 8x 1G Ethernet ports would be compatible with home devices.
If raw switching capability is all that matters, this is an OzB (cheapest QSW-804-4C on static ice is $716.14)
Though I would love 10gig, I dont need it till we get 1000 plans available
Also quite $$ at this stage
To those who are questioning this deal. It boils down to your perception of time vs cost.
EG:
10 mins to transfer a file on 1GbE vs 1 min on 10GbE for the cost of 465 bucks (+ cost of upgrading all your end devices and infrastructure to support it). If you feel benefits outweighs cost, then by all means.
In another year or 2 i reckon the prices will become more affordabl eas proliferation of 10GbE on consumer devices.
Is it a deal now? Yes. Is it bang for buck? IMHO no.
Bingo.
Too many comments about why 10gig - if 10gig is not for them they should move on. I wonder if they go into every post about 8K TVs and 5K Retina Pro iMac saying the same thing?
This is a deal for anyone who is looking for a 10gig network.
lol yup, I particularly like the people that much are trying to educate someone who searches for or considers 10GbE deals on what they "need" and whether they can use it…like some random person even knows what 10GbE is.
Unless you you have a NAS with SSD storage I don't think 10GbE is very useful. Normal HDD speeds is about 400 Mbps. 4k video can stream at 20-300 Mbps depending on encoding. Perhaps if you want to boot from a SSD equipped file server?
1gbe is only around 100mb/s, a regular WD 4tb red drive can do 150mb/s on its own and in raid 5 configuration can do 400mb/s. Easily more than enough to saturate a 1gbe connection…
Personally, I am more interested in the 2.5gb and 5gb ethernet options. Hopefully they start trickling though, they are much cheaper and can easily use existing ethernet wiring…
That's my thoughts too, you need to spend way beyond the price of the switch to achieve some benefit.
Normal HDD speeds is about 400 Mbps
You are saying a normal HDD speed is about 50 Megabytes per second? What kind of HDD is this?
EDIT: Oh, did you miss a zero? 4000Mbps?
500MBps HDDs aren't that common, probably mostly 10K+ RPM SAS drives, so I think he really meant 50MBps, which is quite slow even for HDDs, common HDDs are probably 2,3 times that speed.
1GbE theoretical transfer rate is 125MBps. And I remember I overheard some network engineers at AWS talking about TCP can only utilize around 70% of that due to overhead (but don't quote me on this) so we're talking about 80-90MBps? A single recent HDD can probably saturate that, let alone RAID HDDs or SSDs.
Obviously this all doesn't mean much when we're talking about internet connection. But if you are considering a $400 switch, chances are you are in the 5% prosumers audience and 10GbE ports make a lot of sense for your backbone network and/or main PC, NAS etc.
Dude probably plugs his external hard drive into his USB 2.0 port and doesn't realise why it is so slow… :D
Nah, you can hit 10GbE depending on how your drives are arranged.
Granted I'm in the minority with such a setup, I have 12x 3.5" 5,400RPM drives (WD Red) in two ZFS RAID-Z2 VDEVs (8 drives data, 4 drives parity), so essentially 2x RAID6 mirrored. On large sequential transfers (I deal with a lot of very large files like 2GB+ images, 10bit 4:2:2 recorded video etc) I can hit 900MB/s which is faster than my SATA SSDs. IOPS and 4K-write speeds aren't as good as SSDs, but I'm really happy with my file server's performance over my home network.
Depending on what you want to connect to your network this may also be an option http://www.citytechnology.com.au/store/crs305-1g-4splus-in-m…
when I was looking into 10Gbe I was leaning towards copper cable but by the time I looked into it a bit, you can often do it cheaper with pre terminated fiber.
It depends on the devices you are connecting to it. If you need to buy a pci card for a current desktop it might be cheaper doing it fiber.
Both this and the QNAP look like they also do 2.5G and 5G speeds also which it looks like mid range laptops and motherboards are starting to have.
Im still just running 1Gbe for the near future.
Good spot. The Mikrotik was considered - however, for backward compatibility to RJ45 then additional transceivers are required at $120 a pop. That completely killed the value proposition for me.
Mikrotik is definitely the cheapest way to go for those who have full SFP+ support on their devices.
If we look at the AMD Ryzen desktop motherboards, they nearly all support 2.5G and 5G in RJ45. The more premium AMD Ryzen desktop motherboards support 10G (and some of them dual 10G) in RJ45.
Multi Gig is already here as the norm.
Just some food for thought.
I recently had to format my Synology DS918+ with 16GB of RAM (needed to have the file system changed to BTRFS for setting up virtual machine images). This meant backing up about 6.5TB of data to another NAS. The transfer never peaked over 20MB/s the whole time and took about 4.5 days to back up .. and 6 days to recover. The bottleneck here was not the network rather the overhead on the file checking - and millions of small files. (no problems simply copying data to either source at about 120Mb/s normally)
I was hoping / thinking the next Synology might have 10Gbe built in, and a new managed switch would be nice… I had thought that it might be a worthwhile update just from the aspect of moving backups around and shortening recovery. But I now know a major CPU boost would be more worthwhile (and or a solution that is more CPU efficient).
Wow that's a massive overhead. This may sound silly but just curious, did you use both RJ ports?
Both are connected yes. Mainly just because I can… general access on one IP and media streaming on the other - though I doubt I'd notice on a single connection.
My un-managed switch doesn't support Link aggregation - therefore I haven't used it but my understanding is it would not help anyway as it doesn't 'bond' the connections to 'double the speed' rather it lets the network balance traffic between the two so that everything is not chocked on one connection. But connections between individual devices would still be on one port, so an individual device will still be limited by that ports speed.
My understanding is of LACP is the same as yours, it's a form of load balancing but slightly different. You won't notice the difference for a single transfer but you will for multiple transfers at the same time. I'm by no means a network expert though so I'm happy to be corrected.
EDIT: I do realize network is not your bottleneck in this case but if you are moving TBs of data frequently, maybe it's worth your time to dive into this a bit :)
Thanks for sharing your experience! Certainly there could be multiple bottlenecks when we seek to increase the speed of transfers.
In your case it does sound like either a CPU constraint or simply the smaller files (which could result in speeds more similar to random access as opposed to sequential access). Does the NAS have HDD disks in it?
If so, I would suggest that upgrading to solid state storage would significantly increase the speed of your activity - so much so that you may end up with the network being the bottleneck - and thus needing 10gbe! :)
Unfortunately 4x 10TB of SSD is unreachable for me. I do have 256GB of SSD cache on the NAS - but this doesn't help in this situation.
You are right though I strongly suspect the r/w on small files was the culprit and kind of unavoidable.
wow 10GbE, do you need that at Home?