BoycottRent Treading on Twitter [Poll]

Trying2SaveABuck on 18/04/2020 - 00:01
Last edited 18/04/2020 - 00:02

BoycottRent

Couple weeks ago put a poll up on the 6 month ban on evictions in which the majority of people agreed it was a bad idea
https://www.ozbargain.com.au/node/527745

Now I'm seeing on the news and all over twitter #BoycottRent tenants that feel they are entitled to live rent free due to the COVID19 outbreak regardless of if they actually have a losses of income.

The sentiment in our useless media has always supported the tenants but i bring another Poll on do you think the law needs to be hard on those who dont 'pay there rent?

I know a guy who owns an apartment in Manilla in Philippines he says over there you can have a lease where the tenant has to sign 12 cheques one for every month it automatically pays the Landlord monthly, if the tenant cannot fulfil the financial commitment the bank chases them up not the landlord which means the landlord always gets paid and the tenants has to deal with the bank (the same as if a LL cant pay a loan).

Personally i think anyone who doesn't pay rent for 5 weeks should be automatically evicted it would save VCAT fees and time wasting etc - if the law was a bit more cut and dry it would remove red tape and perhaps even the need for property managers (in some cases) - it would also be better for tenants because less strict on 'who they let rent' because they know that at worst they can remove any tenant within 4 weeks. It would further benefit good tenants because properties would more readily come on the market potentially lowering rent in the overall market.

So i ask the question do you think tenants who don't pay rent (not just during COVID19 but just in general) should face harsh penalises and if so what would you like to see happen for those who take a free ride? and if not why do you think the system is fair for letting people rip off there landlords.

Poll Options

  • 90
    Yes - landlords need to be better supported by the system, tenants cant just decide not to pay rent!
  • 13
    No - I think the system is fine landlords need to accept the financial cost of bad tenants
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Comments

  • Hybroid on 18/04/2020 - 00:04
    +1

    I don't think tenants should face harsh penalties especially if they've lost their jobs and sources of income recently. That's just ridiculous.

    I also don't think landlords should just absorb the costs themselves either justifying a blanket rent boycott. That's also ridiculous.

    There's a middle ground somewhere. Speak to each other and agree something reasonable for both parties.

    • Trying2SaveABuck on 18/04/2020 - 00:06
      -2

      There really isnt that is the problem someone has to pay housing in Australia isnt cheap weather you are an owner occupier, renter or landlord costs of housing is astronomical

      I do feel for renters because in my time i have rented and been LL ive had good tenants and bad but the system is geared to favour tenants at the cost of the LL

  • SnoozeAndLose on 18/04/2020 - 00:14

    I don't think there need harsh penalties for the tenant, but I also think that they need to have income which can sustain their living style as well as saving.

    I don't believe many people who have work living week by week, they should have saved to support them for at least a couple of months when things go wrong. With help from the government would have contributed from Jobseeker or Jobkeeper. They should be able to support them for a while. Or perhaps move to somewhere for cheaper rent.

    Tenant can't keep the same living style when they lose their job and don't want to touch their saving, seek help from government or parent.

  • tsunamisurfer on 18/04/2020 - 01:27
    +5

    There doesn't have to be any special provisions against tenants.

    Just allow the LL to evict tenants as soon as they stop paying rent.

    It is the moratorium that is protecting them.

  • Iggemo on 18/04/2020 - 06:37
    +4

    Wasn't the point of the UBI (Jobseeker upgrade) so that people could still pay for essentials like rent? So i guess at least some should still be able to. I know it's not necessarily enough for all but surely for some it would be (it would be for me, i earn barely more working every day than what the UBI is now)

    • [Deactivated] on 18/04/2020 - 10:21
      +5

      Wait, it is not to get precooked meals delivered and for my Spotify/Netflix/Prime/Disney+ and of course the 100/50 NBN connection.

      "OMG, you want people to live like, like, beggers."

      Yes, yes I do. I'm like Marie Antoinette, forcing people into cooking for themselves and depriving them of essential TV.

  • sparkles on 18/04/2020 - 06:51
    +5

    I saw some of those #boycottrent people on TV. What a bunch of grifters. The entitlement! They've seen this as an opportunity to shirk responsibility and have grabbed it with both hands.

    Here's a tip for them: don't punch out a bunch of kids if you don't have 10 cents to rub together.

  • Typical16-bitEnjoyer on 18/04/2020 - 07:47
    -5

    Oh yay, another sob post from Ontheshred on the hardships landlords are facing in these troubling times.

  • Ocker on 18/04/2020 - 09:19
    +13

    Why should hard working people be expected to become public housing provider's forced to offer free/discounted housing?
    I put my life on hold for 2 plus years while I worked 2 jobs, and went without to save enough money to buy and investment property. Now I am expected to again suffer financial pain to help out someone else? Let them suffer hardship like I did.

  • Gronk on 18/04/2020 - 09:58
    +4

    I see an uptick in 'motorcycle enthusiast removal services' on the horizon :D

  • Cheeper on 18/04/2020 - 10:09
    +5

    To be entitled to a rent reduction I am sure the tenant must show evidence of being financially affected by CV19.
    People on govt pensions and those whose employment has not been affected would have no grounds to request it.
    If people think they are entitled to free or reduced rent why not try for free groceries, free take away meals, free utilities, free petrol, etc etc..
    Dont like paying rent?… tents are cheap.

    • Trying2SaveABuck on 18/04/2020 - 10:19

      This is the point if you decide to steal from your local coles and get caught you can get charged with thievery. However these boycottrent hippies are protected? why is it the system punishes landlords?

      How would it look if landlords started a movement hashtag nosympathyforrenters - the media would jump all over us! In stead these idiot boycottrent are getting support from left wing extremest programs like the project - where people like Aly and Carrie are sitting on over half a million a year why dont they help the tenants?

      • Cheeper on 18/04/2020 - 10:42
        +6

        I paid rent for well over 20 years and had to work a second job to make ends meet.
        I never cried "hard done by" and never damaged a property because I thought I was "entitled" to do so.
        I was grateful that I had somewhere to live and jobs to pay for it.
        This leftist sooking, whining that everything must be provided has gone too far.
        Get off your ass and earn something if you want it or shut the f up and go without like others have always done.

  • Hardlyworkin on 18/04/2020 - 10:29

    Manilla seems like a really fair and just paradise…

  • RockyRaccoon on 18/04/2020 - 10:51
    +1

    Sorry, while the initial issue, I’ll leave alone, I can’t help ROFL with the following, from the OP which I have summarised.

    Landlords in Manila get 12 cheque’s from the Tenant. if they present the cheque’s, the bank pays then chases the tenant.

    1. In Australia you get a bad cheque, you cover the loss.
    2. Most Aussies wouldn’t know how to open a cheque account, let alone write one, and understand what post dated means. If it’s not plastic it’s not usable.😀 BTW that’s not a criticism we just use the more efficient modern payment systems available
    3. The Manila banks probably have efficient ways to make a tenant pay for a bad cheque (or Check since they follow the US). this is the country that executes drug suspects on the street without trial.

    🏦 Manager - we have a bad paying customer!
    Chief of 👮‍♂️ - no problem, we’ll call them a druggie - 🔫 ⚰️!

  • donaldlj on 18/04/2020 - 11:23
    +5

    The Govt here has really muddled around and made poor policies in several areas due to this Corona Virus. With respect to Residential Tenancy, they could have implemented a system similar to HECS with regards to rents. Basically, the Govt would pay the Landlord the rent amount and lodge this as a debt to the Renter. This debt would only be paid back at a certain rate if the Renters wage is above a certain threshold which would be decided when the Renter does their tax return. This would for the most part, sort out which Renters really couldn't afford to pay the rent, and those that are wasting their money on unnecessary things. For those where the lease has expired and they are on month to month, they can easily move to cheaper rentals now, since rents have come down according to all the news. This has already been mentioned by many commentators as a good plan, yet it seems we only have complete incompetence with the people the actual make the policies.

  • JimmyF on 18/04/2020 - 13:14
    +1

    tenants that feel they are entitled to live rent free due to the COVID19 outbreak regardless of if they actually have a losses of income.

    Shows how stupid they are, yes they can't be evicted for 6 months, but there was nothing about 'free' rent. If they don't pay the rent, they still owe the rent and at the end of the 6 months, the landlord can evict them and then go them back rent.

    So those that had jobs and could afford to pay rent, will be in for a rude surprise when the courts rule against them and yes landlords will go them for back rent. $300/wk after 6 months is ~$8000, $400/wk will be $11000. So not small sums of money.

    • Mrbean007 on 18/04/2020 - 13:42

      Not if this goes thru starting in Queensland.

      https://youtu.be/Etiv5GbHH88

      • JimmyF on 18/04/2020 - 14:46

        Well thats not the 'law' today, so until it goes thru it doesn't matter.

        Lets stick to what the law is TODAY.

  • Typical16-bitEnjoyer on 18/04/2020 - 14:25

    OP is going to go absolutely ballistic and make another half dozen sob Landlord posts when they find out state governments are currently discussing rent amnesty for residential tenants in industries shut down by the government :)

    Just waiting the final tick off for commercial tenants. All signs indicate residential will be ticked off shortly (at least in Victoria).

    • JimmyF on 18/04/2020 - 14:47

      And landlord will need to make up that lost rent in the future, by higher rents.

      Who will be sobbing the most when that happens?

      • Typical16-bitEnjoyer on 19/04/2020 - 14:42

        Higher rents? I don't think so. Not a single financial news source is predicting that either.

        Our economy has rapidly changed and the real impacts haven't been seen yet.

        • JimmyF on 19/04/2020 - 17:02

          Higher rents?

          You're not great at reading are you? This is the 2nd comment you have replied to of mine and not read what was written.

          I'll type it slowly for you.

          If the landlords have to cover 6 months 'free' rent, they will need to recoup those loses in other ways and that will be higher rent. There is nothing stopping landlords issue rent increases in 6 months time.

          Just like the gov will wait 12 months and ramp up taxes to recover the billions spent on covid-19.

          Our economy has rapidly changed

          Short term, long term it'll return to the 'old ways' it always does after each downturn.

          • Typical16-bitEnjoyer on 19/04/2020 - 22:18
            -1

            @JimmyF: Are you lost? You're replying to my original comment, and you're replying poorly. I'll type even slower for you as well.

            There is everything stopping landlords attempting to increase rentals. The market.

            If the landlords have to cover 6 months 'free' rent

            More sensationalist fear mongering.

            Just like the gov will wait 12 months and ramp up taxes to recover the billions spent on covid-19.

            Ah. There it is. You don't understand macroeconomics. I won't waste any further time responding to you :)

            • JimmyF on 19/04/2020 - 22:31
              -1

              @Typical16-bitEnjoyer:

              There is everything stopping landlords attempting to increase rentals. The market.

              There is nothing stopping rents from being increased.

              If the market doesn't want to pay it, then they need to pack up and move to cheaper rental.

              More sensationalist fear mongering.

              Oh thats rich coming from you screaming the 'sky is falling' for land lords.

              • Typical16-bitEnjoyer on 19/04/2020 - 22:40

                @JimmyF: Classic. You don't know how markets operate either!

                • JimmyF on 19/04/2020 - 22:45
                  -1

                  @Typical16-bitEnjoyer:

                  Classic. You don't know how markets operate either!

                  It would appear you're the one who is delusional around here. The sky is falling and rent will be free forever and landlords won't do anything about it to make up that loss. hahahaha

                  • Typical16-bitEnjoyer on 19/04/2020 - 22:50

                    @JimmyF: Victorian Government has just implemented a compulsory mediation service for rent reductions. Orders will be binding on landlords. No avenue of appeal.

                    What good is increasing rent if the property remains vacant?

                    Maybe you should read some industry predictions on where our economy is heading and avoid getting all your info from OzBargain and THS :)

                    • JimmyF on 19/04/2020 - 22:54
                      -1

                      @Typical16-bitEnjoyer:

                      Maybe you should read some industry predictions on where our economy is heading and avoid getting all your info from OzBargain and THS :)

                      True, I mean your advice on ozbargain is just dribble….

                      Victorian Government has just implemented a compulsory mediation service for rent reductions

                      So cry babies who don't get a rent reduction are now running to Consumer Affairs Victoria for mediation on getting a reduced rent. You do know they will have to PROVE they can't pay rent etc, its not a reduction because they ask for it. Its also a small subset of people, ie have less than $5,000 in savings and still be paying at least 30% of their income in rent.

                      but anyhow, hahahaha guess whos lease won't be renewed when its up for renewal.

                      • Typical16-bitEnjoyer on 19/04/2020 - 23:01

                        @JimmyF:

                        Its also a small subset of people, ie have less than $5,000 in savings and still be paying at least 30% of their income in rent.

                        So essentially nearly everyone on JobKeeper or JobSeeker? Looks like maths is yet another thing lacking in your repertoire.

    • sparkles on 18/04/2020 - 18:51
      +2

      Renters are walking a very thin line. Landlords might find it less costly to have a property empty (and just accept capital gain) than have it "tenanted" by squatters, which is effectively what tenants are if they aren't paying. Rents of what IS available will skyrocket in that instance.

      • Typical16-bitEnjoyer on 19/04/2020 - 14:41

        Imaginary thin line.

        You're also delusional if you think the market will bear higher rents in 6 months time :)

        • JimmyF on 19/04/2020 - 22:32
          +1

          Its funny that you think everyone here is 'delusional' in your eyes….

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