Has Anyone Actually Had a Reduction in Rent?

So my girlfriend and I are semi arguing about our rent right now. She's saying that our landlord should give us a reduction in rent by 50% due to the current economic climate caused by the COVID 19 outbreak. While I do agree with her that they should probably offer some sort of reduction I don't feel so strongly about it that we should threaten to leave if they don't give it to us.

We signed our 1.5 year lease in December last year on boxing day. I'm working casually in retail and she was also just working a cash job that is no longer available due to the business shutting down. She says that all her friends have gotten a reduction in rent or even rent free due to the outbreak however i'm very reluctant to believe that this is actually true as I've asked my friends and colleagues and even my parents and none of them are getting a reduction in rent. At this stage i'm lucky enough that i'm still working given that I work in Westfield and we are able to still remain open, I know there are other out there worse off than I am being stood down especially in the retail space where casuals are usually the first to be let go. At this stage I still make enough on the reduced hours to pay for the rent which is $500/week. However she is out of work and feels pressure presumably because she still needs to send money back overseas to her parents etc.

My argument to her is that legally speaking we have no leg to stand on despite the pandemic right now. We signed the lease, we cannot break it and if we do there are still terms and conditions that must be followed. She is of the belief that if we wanted to break our contract now there would be no consequences but I do not believe that at all. Yes the government has announced that we cannot be evicted during this time, however you must still follow the conditions set out by your lease am I correct? she keeps arguing that since everyone she knows has received a reduction in rent (wether this is true I can't confirm and I don't believe so anyway) our landlord should also reduce our rent. But as we all know there isn't a legal obligation that states my landlord must reduce the rent this is a case by case basis and while I have asked my real estate agent they said the landlord were not willing to reduce the rent especially having just lost the tenant next door and having lost his job apparently due to COVID 19.

All in all i'm frustrated in trying to explain to her that there is nothing legally wrong with him not reducing our rent. Morally speaking yes maybe he should offer to help us a little bit but it's not his legal obligation.

UPDATE: 1/4/2020

Really appreciate the responses from everyone. It's good to see how everyone's situation differs in these uncertain times. As of today unfortunately our business has also decided to close until further notice with the further restrictions implemented by the government where by people can only be out for necessities it makes no sense to continue operating a retail store till things get back to normal. Today the news while shocking definitely was something everyone in the business knew was coming we just didn't know when. The feeling of uncertainty as we day each day one at a time really is quite scary not knowing when i'll be able to head back into work. I've applied through mygov already for assistance although honestly i'm not sure what benefits will be available to me if any at all as our business has only been operating since 16 December 2019 which probably means I've no chance to get job keeper. First thing I did when I went home was go on seek and start seeing what jobs were available and right now things look very bleak. I have updated my realestate agency with what has happened and they will do their best to help with negotiating with the landlord however if things don't get better I'm probably looking at moving back in with the folks until this whole thing blows over.

Looking back at the time that I have now makes me realise that I want to be better equipped for when we come out on the other side. I went to uni previously but never enjoyed what I studied and so far to this day I still haven't found what I want to study. Hopefully I can teach myself through some online courses basic coding languages and have a more useable skillset when this is over.

All in all I'm thankful for all the responses from you guys in seeing what situation and different perspectives you guys had. I never agreed with my GF on this issue however if the landlord is willing to help then I'll be grateful for whatever he's willing to give as I've said before I know legally he has every right not to help. I don't intent to stay here for free that's just not right but I have told them that with my $2.5k savings left realistically I may have to move out after next month if we can't come to some sort of arrangement. Assuming I become eligible for any of the government help I'm happy to continue living here and as soon as I can find stable work again I'll be happy to pay the normal rate again.

Thanks for all the responses guys and gals.

Poll Options

  • 22
    Yes I got a reduction in rent.
  • 478
    No my rent is the same.
  • 9
    i got free rent.

Comments

  • +220

    Your girlfriend is an idiot, for many reasons. Firstly for not knowing (or caring) about the lease/contract you signed. Secondly for sending money to her folks, despite your joint financial issues.

    You clearly have a head for the finances and she doesn't, hence the arguing. This will be the first argument of many. Run, before her inability to work out finances causes you to run into massive debt and for her to walk away fine.

    (speaking from experience)

    • +10

      To be honest usually its the other way around. I love to spend lavishly on luxury items etc but this whole thing has really give me a wakeup call, our economy isn't secure and my financial position isn't secure best to get a clear head on everything. I'm assuming her inability to understand the contract and regulations is she isn't a local she's from China and she just assumed that given we are in Australia the citizens are always in the right especially during financial hardship in a global pandemic. Eastern vs Western ideology i'm guessing. It's that I have a head for finance more of I'm an ex law student and understand that the world doesn't stop because of a pandemic there are still laws and regulations we need to follow.

      • force majeure is one way to get out of a contract, especially under these circumstances.
        I'm not sure about rent reduction. The Landlord may have his own bills to pay and there own set of circumstances.
        Though if they were a "good" landlord they may offer a rent reduction. It would also I think be hard to find tenants at this time.

        • +1

          for reference, government contracts (construction) ruled out covid from force majeure clause

          • +1

            @dcep:

            or reference, government contracts (construction) ruled out covid from force majeure clause

            You can't rule it out if force majeure is in there.

            I think what you mean is that no one in the construction industry has tried to test it in the courts with the government.

            • +1

              @serpserpserp: yes of course you can go to court anytime you like to contest it

              just saying this is the directive i get from a government body by their HoD within contract services when addressing the covid issue, this is where they stand by definition

        • Force majeure is not relevant on standard resi leases

      • +6

        Ever think that's what she's getting comfortable with, your love for spending on 'things'? Money disappears, arguments start…

        • I spend mostly on myself not too much for her she's never been one to ask me directly to buy things for her.

      • +2

        Love is blind…

      • -4

        You got yourself a gold digger.

    • +3

      At the moment it's just entitlement to 50% of rent reduction … don't be around for it become entitlement of 50% or more of your stuff.

    • +3

      100% agree. You are not meant for each other. Move home with the folks, perfect getout of jail card.

      Run, run now!

    • We all have to learn somehow. Perhaps OP's girlfriend hasn't had the opportunity to learn these things, and might benefit from an educational discussion with OP - plenty of time now that neither are working! Something to do, right? Of course this only applies if she is willing to learn.

  • +33

    you can only ask your landlord, if you have lost any income they may adjust a proprtionate amount but not 50%. If you cant pay your rent then what can they do, but the stimulus will cover her…. oh wait she does cashies, well sucks to have been a tax dodger right now.

    Given your misses works cash in hand this is hard to prove she has lost any income.

    and she is lying saying all her friends have had rent reductions, straight out.

    • +4

      Unfortunately her English isn't good enough to work in retail or any local job which I have been pushing her to do she's an international student who's still studying English. I was more thinking if the stimulus would cover me? Would I be eligible for rent assistance from Centerlink? I'm not one that enjoys asking Centerlink for help and have always chosen to work when possible as frankly you make more that way Centerlink payments are so low that it could never fund the lifestyle that I want.

      • +32

        Unfortunately her English isn't good enough to work in retail or any local job which

        Her English will never get better with that attitude.

        The only way she will learn, over and beyond a classroom, is by putting herself in uncomfortable and challenging situations. Social circles and employment are the two biggest catalysts in learning a language.

        I agree it might be difficult to find someone who will take a punt on her, given her language abilities, but outright ruling it out like you guys have is a poor mentality.

      • +1

        rent assistance is $80 a fortnight

    • +6

      It is BS that renters can get a discount without anything in arrears. Landlords need to pay interest even if they defer loans.

      So how does that work out? IMO Renters need to be in arrears and acculumate interest for not paying on time

      • +1

        13 Yes I got a reduction in rent.
        372 No my rent is the same.
        7 i got free rent.

        Well so far the poll doesn't indicate a wide amount of renters getting a discount.
        Those 7 with free rent probably live at home with their mums.

        This is no different to the place sitting empty with no tenant paying anything.
        You have a landlord with two properties who was obviously in a higher risk job that he no longer has and looks unable to service their debts, how is that more of a worthy cause than a renter who has less to start with (on paper) that you want to have a debt follow them for rent and then interest?

        I question if many people here have been to the USA and seen the various homeless tent cities and areas with high homelessness and unemployment, It seems many here would be happy to see Australia more like that as long as a tenant isn't getting something for free.

        • +3

          Well the landlord needs to pay the price of keeping the property and what makes a tenant staying without paying anything? If every tenant does that, cannot imagine anyone will invest at all. People going for free ride using Covid-19 as an excuse. Do you think banks will care? They still charge you interest for deferred loans. Why should landlords not charge interest and give out free rental?

          • +3

            @neonlight: Did you ever think we don't want your investment? We just want to be able to live in a house. We'd gladly pay the govt rates to maintain properties if we could live in them without rent. There is a better way.

  • +2

    There is no harm in asking, you are obviously affected by the current problems associated with high job loss, there is not much information on what will happen if you dont pay your rent or the future consequences of those actions, however currently you cannot be evicted for 6 months.

    You need the money to buy food and other essential bills, if 100% of income is going to rent, that is not sustainable, then definitely try to get a reduction in rent insisting the current economic times, if they refuse then you must do what is best for you.

    imo people who stop paying their rent will propably be covered by an interest free loan from the government, that the tennant will have to pay back in the future.

    • I've asked and they have refused I think the only way they will reduce my rent is I can prove that I've been let go from work, but luckily I haven't and i'm blessed that i'm still getting shifts now. I would say right now I have enough saved up to life frugally for the next 2-3 months assuming work closes down. But we both like living in the city in a little studio due to the convenience and closeness to work for me at least.

      • +1

        it does make sense to live closer and pay more..
        reduced transport/parking costs for example. Pays for some or all of the higher rental cost, (for some)

        • I dont think this is true. I cycle to the city it costs me nothing.

  • +60

    Let your girlfriend out of this lease and sign a new lease.

    Find a more intelligent girlfriend.

    • +1

      Do you mean the relationship lease ? Because I doubt her name is on the rental lease if she was working a cash in hand job and the place is a small studio.

  • +7

    Option 3 -

    Look for more affordable rental accommodation
    Maybe your landlord will you out of the rental contract
    Just sacrifice the bond
    You would probably save in the long term. 50% discount is crazy

    • At this stage looking for more affordable accomodation would be to move back in with my parents which would be a last resort option. I don't really want to sacrifice the bond for nothing either, At this stage I can stay afloat as the rent is being shared by both of us at this stage I just think she is worried that she won't be able to get work by the time the savings run out.

      • +5

        At this stage looking for more affordable accomodation would be to move back in with my parents 

        Why? You could find somewhere in Sydney for way cheaper than $500 a week, it might not be the most lavish place but if you are a single income household and you are working reduced hours in retail then it's time to drop your standards.

        • +1

          At the moment I'm still able to pay for it so long as work doesn't cease. I like to plan ahead and have a contingency if work does stop and looking for cheaper accomodation is definitely one of them. if i were able to find a place do you think I'd be able to terminate the lease without incuring any sort of charges/ loses of course still following the standard protocol where by give the landlord 3 weeks notice that I would like to vacate due to financial hardship.

  • +6

    She's saying that our landlord should give us a reduction in rent by 50%

    Why stop there when she could go for 100%?
    https://www.ozbargain.com.au/node/527490

    • This might actually work provided OP don't give a shit if his name is on the TICA list in the future or having to front up to *CAT and the landlord shouldn't be too materially affected if they have landlord insurance.

      • Definitely not an option I plan on buying a property very soon and I can't have any implications that my affect my ability to get a mortgage. I'm all for paying the rent i just don't understand why the girlfriend thinks that because of COVID19 suddenly all legal obligation goes out the window.

        • +23

          It's because wants her lifestyle to continue uninterrupted while the world falls apart around our ears. And as she has lost her job then she has also last a part of her independence. But lastly, like most people 'she' is the most important person in the world and thinks everyone else should adjust themselves accordingly. The solution is for her to do the opposite, understand that the landlord is probably doing it tough as well. I get the impression that a lot of people still think that landlords are part of the 1%ers who spend their days snorting coke from the dash of their Lambos. They aren't, most of them are just family people trying to get ahead and running a very tight budget.

          If you had both lost your income then you would be justified in approaching the landlord about it but as you say you can make the rent then you should do so. It's your GF that needs to change, not the landlord.

          Going forward she might want to reconsider how much she sends to her parents, if you guys have no savings for the tough times that is. Sometimes cultural habits and expectations need to be questioned.

        • +8

          You don't have money for rent but do plan on buying a property very soon. Australia's debt bubble in a nutshell

        • +3

          If you are planning on buying a property soon then you must also have a $100k+ deposit stashed in a savings account?

          If so, I'm not sure why you're feeling so pressured - sorry to be blunt, but it's not like you will get approved for a loan at the moment with a single (tenuous) income and lavish spending habits, let alone affording the actual mortgage payments.

        • Chinese history is survival after disasters - the most deaths in conflict over thousands of years of struggle and famine and poverty

          so she's probably gone to survival mode - everyone for themselves

          as a 'strayan you're probably still in relaxed and comfortable - 'what could possibly go wrong' default mode - not having been raised in hand to mouth poverty where you had to grab anything you could or maybe starve to death, etc.

        • I don't think this has anything to do with your credit file though, at least that's what my property managers told me when I turfed a few deadbeats and TICA is the only thing they could do.

          • @mini2: There are stories that the banks will check TICA when you apply for a home loan. It sounds doubtful to me but who knows; they end up with the property deed so you do effectively become their tenant.

        • "I plan on buying a property very soon"
          When you're saying you've only got a couple months possibly to be able to pay rent?
          Optimistic but good luck with that.

  • +14

    Your economic situation is not the landlord's problem.

    • +11

      Well it is now, given they can stop paying rent without being kicked out..

      Or if they do leave its pretty much impossible to find a new tenant..

      • +14

        Not everyone is losing their jobs. I suppose my main issue is her sense of entitlement, the landlord should support her, while she also sends money overseas.

        I'm fairly sure the rent payments are also simply deferred, I assume they have to be payed back eventually, though havent looked into it.

        • +2

          You are right about the sense of entitlement, and unfortunately the government is feeding that beast by not providing the detail behind the statement re: no evictions.

          • +4

            @elgrande: They haven't given details about anything at all as far as I can tell, they are just making up random bullshit as they go.

  • OP, what type of store are you working in on a casual basis?

    • +1

      Watch store in Westfield. As I'm said above I'm blessed I'm still getting work.

      • Uhhh is that an essential service? I dont suspect you'll have an income for much of the next 3-4 months.

        • cases are flating out we might get away without having to close anything else.

          • @ubcool: Even if they are not forced to close, lack of foot traffic and business may force the owner to lay off workers, reduce opening hours, etc. We are far from out of the water. Remember that flattening the curve also extends the curve. This is a 6-18 month situation.

        • Helping Flavor Flav know what time it is, is essential

    • +11

      So when op and his girlfriend are getting the double dole, they should just not pay rent? While she still sends out tax money overseas? Seems legit.

      • +13

        Not a big believer in the dole personally, she wouldn't be eligible anyway as she's not a citizen. I think a man is defined by his work and i'm proud of what I do. I don't make a lot of money but I have a lot of passion for the field I'm in. The dole should only be something I consider as a last resort.

        • +10

          Don't try to screw your landlord then, they've also worked hard to get what they have, but now they should pay the mortgage while you sit in the house for free?

  • +21

    this may not be seen as a favourable statement by people but… the current situation is not a reason not to pay rent.
    We all have obligations and we have to maintain these as best we can and tighten our belts. Be responsible and get a grip, what you do affects other people. Why should their life be harder than what it is now just because people think its their right to not pay.

    First is our children, then rent/mortgage, food in the fridge/cupboards, petrol, electricity/gas.
    I will put internet in the needs (not a want) column due to the possibility of working from home for some, kids school work already has internet needs and this has just increased.

    If money is tough, then, anything else is a luxury you can live without.
    you do not need many of the things that people think is a requirement, example: Netflix, Spotify, any subscription service that's not a necessity, beer/wine(while nice), coffee, smokes (great time to give up, if you want), etc.
    We don't really have any of these (free 3m trial for Deezer at moment) so I cant really think of much for this.

    • +7

      Agree here luckily I don't smoke or drink. I agree that in times like these we shouldn't forget our obligations and responsibilities. I myself found it a huge wake up call seeing the lines at centerlink as long as they were and think to myself I'm lucky to still be employed and earning a paycheck every week. I've definitely had to tighten my belt, (and also loosen my belt as I feel myself getting fatter by the day with how much I'm eating due to being at home a lot) giving up on things like buying something nice every 2 weeks when the pay comes in, cooking more instead of eating out etc, cutting back on things where I can. The point of this post was just seeing if people actually got a reduction in rent so that when I get the numbers in I can say to her that she may have asked 10 friends and all say they have reduced rent/free rent but I will be able to present my data back to her that the reality of the situation is that everyone is doing it tough right now and we shouldn't be expecting a handout just because of the pandemic. So far the poll shows that out of 46 people 41 people still pay the same rent so she won't have much to argue with when I present the numbers.

      • Depending on how much "something nice" sounds, it appears to me that you were not living within your means. I'm happy to hear that you've decided to tighten your belt. Best of luck to you.

      • legally you can only claim for damages you have suffered

        while you are still on full wages you should pay the same rent

        if/when your wages are cut, then immediately notify the agent/landlord of your changed circumstances and negotiate from there

        good negotiators always have a backup plan B - your walkaway price - so if you don't get what you're asking for, you are ready to move to e.g. parents' house in the country, cheaper share house with friends - something reasonable where the agent will have to sit and listen and realise that if they don't budge they're looking at losing ALL rent for that property and having trouble finding a new tenant in these many-empty properties times with few good-rent-paying tenants available.

        so have a plan B - so if/when you need to, you can negotiate confidently from a position of strength - like - I'd like to stay - since my wages were cut by X, I can now only afford Y rent, so I'd appreciate that rent reduction please - otherwise I'll have to move in with the parents where we Won't have to pay rent.

        then watch the agent sit up and pay attention …

  • +4

    Poll question should be "Who asked their landlord/agent for a rent reduction and what was the outcome?"

    A close friend in hospo lost his job (full time employed 3 years) and got a rent reduction of 40% from their landlord

    • +2

      thanks for stating this, as a landlord i am waiting to hear from my tenants to hear if they will need assistance, all they have to do is ask

    • Permanent Reduction? Or a temporary agreement with the reduced rent to be paid back in installments after all this ends?

      Ive heard of most landlords doing the later.

  • +5

    Interesting thing is banks have given mortgage holidays but interest is capitalised.

    Memorandum on evictions

    But no guidance on whether landlords should be charging just interest only to tenants (some landlords are lucky to own outright, some are just unlucky to have settled March 2020) etc.

    Everyone is a bit of a meat in the sandwich situation right now.

    Government's given money to welfare recipients on top of what they usually get.
    Government has given money to businesses, then some more to retain staff.

    But the real losers are those with mortgages (owner occupier or investment) without a job and with tenants that can't pay and yet still have to pay the interest. Banks are the real winners once again!

  • +1

    Landlords are in a jam at the moment as the rental market is collapsing under the weight of unemployment and not being able to evict tenants.

    If you genuinely need a rent reduction, speak to the agent/landlord about it. Majority will be accommodative during this turbulent period

  • No reduction in rent and the owner is still progressing with plans to knock down to house.

    We will be having workers traipsing through the house for the next week or so apparently.

    • Refuse. Lock them out if you have to. What's the worst that can happen?

    • +2

      We will be having workers traipsing through the house for the next week or so apparently.

      Same thing I told another member, say you've potentially come into contact with someone with COVID-19

    • the owner is still progressing with plans to knock down to house.

      Did he inform you of those plans beforehand? Were you given a written notice to vacate? If so, why haven't you done so?

      Just because there's a 6-months rent moratorium in place as from today, doesn't mean there won't be any consequences at the end of those 6 months. Your landlord will still be able to take your bond and sue you for any expenses incurred due to your refusal to vacate.

      • Bond can only be claimed to cover things like damage or cleaning expenses, not rent owed or other costs. If the house is getting knocked down you're pretty much guaranteed to get it back, unless you wreck fixtures or something that the landlord was expecting to sell.

        • +3

          That is incorrect.

          You can also recover the bond for the following:

          • tenant has left and owes rent (rent in arrears)
          • tenant has left you to pay bills they should have paid
          • items that were part of the tenancy agreement are missing.

          source

      • Wtf?! I never said they evicted me.. I said they are progressing with their plans to knock down the house. It's not happening right now but we have had to council out here because of the development application and they've now got surveyors etc coming through the house to progress their plans.

        Your comment is completely irrelevant to the situation at all and contains a lot of inappropriate assumptions.

        • Did he inform you of those plans beforehand? Were you given a written notice to vacate? If so, why haven't you done so?

          They were questions; not assumptions. I apologise if they've offended you.

        • +1

          Tenants have a right to quiet enjoyment of the property, I'm not familiar with NSW regulations but if that was VIC you could simply refuse any and all workers that aren't doing maintenance to the property. They also need to give 24 hours minimum notice otherwise you can also just refuse.

          You might want to give your local tenants union a call.

  • +7

    All my tenants have had their rent halved for 3 months at this stage

    • Very generous!

    • Did any request it or was this just something in your ability to try help people out?
      Very generous however.

    • God bless you

  • +1

    Has your landlords land rates. insurance, agents fees, water rates, maintenance costs, tax on rental income, etc been reduced as well?
    Easy fix.. ask to break the lease and pay whatever costs are involved and move to another place that is half the rent you are paying now. I am sure there are plenty on offer.

    • The break lease where I'm at is that I have to continue paying rent until a tenant is found, so that wouldn't work out to well.

    • +2

      Land taxes in most states have been waived.
      Rates are frozen currently in almost every council in Australia.

      Maintenance is restricted due to isolation rules.
      Not an emergency won’t be done any time soon

      Taxes have been adjusted also, in fact if you have your property portfolio set up right you won’t have to pay any tax during this time.

      So yes this along with mortgage freezes assist landlords

      • +1

        "Rates are frozen" simply means that there will be no price rises, you still have to pay them though. On our property, thats still $4000 a year we still need to come up with out of our own pocket, which will be hard given I've been stood down and the wife is about to be out of work as well. If our tenants dodge, it may just be easier to do a quick sale.

        • +1

          There's such a thing as a quick sale right now? 😂

  • +15

    I am currently working for a real estate agent and let me give you a fair advice. We do receive a lot of request for rent reduction from our tenants and we had to ask them to provide an evidence of them losing job or receiving less shifts etc. As your girlfriend got paid cash so I guess asking for those paperwork from her employers won't be easy and the fact that you are still currently employed, I think it's fair for the landlord not to reduce rent by half and as you already know it is not their obligation to do so. However, you can ask for a small reduction in rent such as $50 or $100 and if the landlord is not under any financial pressure, hopefully they will agree with it. At the end of the day, not only tenants are suffering. We should put us in the landlords' shoes as well.

    • -1

      The PM basically with his no eviction rule has definitely put the power to the tenants .
      So basically negotiate hard with that power and the smart few have at this stage .
      Of course real estate agents and landlords don't want to publicize it too much .

  • +8

    who will reimburse the landlord for the mortgage repayments/strata fees/council fees/etc? Will they also get a 50% discount?

    • +3

      Maybe if it's your own home that you live in these discounts make sense. But what you're talking about is the government protects private investments, so if they do this for property investors then why not stock investors? Where do you draw the line?

    • +1

      They can use the profit that they have accumulated over the years to pay the outgoing expenses.

    • If it's an investment you should have to deal with it yourself - no one made you invest in housing, but your tenants need a place to live. Accept the risk or sell your investment.

  • +1

    Ask for a rent reduction, explain the environment you are in, and maybe suggest the obvious , which is many are losing their jobs and find a replacement for them is near impossible right now and will likely be with a reduction in price.

    Make note you understand you are in a contract, but if you have no income you have no income, they can bankrupt you if they wish but I doubt it’ll be the course of action in this environment.

    Let them also know any assistance will be remembered, or otherwise, after all you are in their place and who knows what cna happen.

  • +1

    Probably a stupid question but all these people paying reduced (or even zero) rent - do they have to pay it eventually? I have seen that people can get their mortgage payments deferred but it gets added on to their loan. Surely the rent will be the same or am I completely wrong?

    • +3

      They have not announced this yet. Which is ridiculous. Why Scummo would announce something so major with no set plan or clear instructions is very weird.

      • +1

        I’m not sure I’ve seen anything about people being entitled to reduced rent anyway. They announced the ban on evicting but did anyone actually say people were entitled to reduced or 0 rent? It seems to be mainly about mortgages being deferred.

        • +5

          There was no announcement on reduced rent.

          If people believe they are entitled to reduced rent this is a private matter between landlord and tenant.

          People are mixing and convoluting the two issues.

          Because it was announced that you cannot evict, people are then confusing this with the ability to force the landlord into accepting a lower rent.

          But this is not the case.

          To not be evicted the tenant has to prove hardship, the same way they have to prove hardship to centrelink for job seekers payments.

          You cannot just go and stop paying rent, it has to be proven otherwise you are legally liable as you have a contract.

          If your landlord is scared or struggling and you manage to convince them otherwise, that is a separate matter.

          • @TheBilly: The process to not get evicted is only relevant if you are being evicted in the first place. In order to evict someone in NSW, you must obtain an eviction notice from NCAT and from what I heard, they wont give you one. You can call the cops but they will still ask you for an eviction notice. Edit: seems similar in Victoria. Good luck getting a possession order from VACT.

            If the landlord wants to evict you, they must first apply to the Victorian Civil and Administrative Tribunal and convince the Tribunal that they should be granted a possession order.

            https://www.tenantsvic.org.au/advice/notice-to-vacate/ The onus lies entirely only the landlords.

            Suing for breach of contract and debt recovery are the other avenues but I dont think that means anything to people with no assets.

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