This is some of the BEST Ram for ryzen builds.
- BDIE
- High speed 3200 Mhz
- 14-14-14-34 timing
I paid over 300 for this exact set just over 6 months ago. Makes me sad.
G.Skill Flare X DDR4 Desktop Memory Kit 16GB 3200 CL14 RAM $219 + Postage @ Umart
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*** Genuine Question ***
So whats so special about it RAM when I could get the Corsair 3200MHz CL16 for almost half the price?I understand the tighter memory for the G-Skill and more certainly it could be a Samsung B die or similar silicon
But its like $100 more…Presumbly it's Samsung B-die which can be overclocked much higher than other memory.
B-die starts at 3200 CL14.
So are they only superior if you want to overclock? For normal use beat to save my $?
Yep.
@Diji1: Yeah, but also dependent on what your CPU is. Cas latency is far more important for a ryzen build. Noticeable performance with BDIE ram over over say EDIE ram for a ryzen build.
Cas latency is far more important for a ryzen build.
No it's not. There are many ICs that can run the same CL as B-die like Micron Rev. E, CJR, DJR, even Samsung 4Gb E-die.
Where B-die shines are with tRCD, tRP and the subtimings (mainly tRFC). You can run them way lower than any other IC and it has insane voltage tolerance and scaling (extreme OCers bench at 2v).
It's not the RAM timings that help with Ryzen performance. It's the fact that your Infinity Fabric clock (FCLK) is overclocked.
FCLK is king.
That is quick but is it really justifiable over the much cheaper Crucial Ballistix E-die kits which can be very easily clocked to 3600Mhz?
Yes it is. 100% Especially for Ryzen where ram clock timings matter. Higher speed but poor cas latency in the ram you have specified. suggest Looking at the above links to videos explaining why Cas latency/timing is important for ryzen builds and ram.
See the post from Integral above. I dont agree with you here.
I have my Ballistics kit clocked at 3600MHz 14-19-16-28.Yes the subtimings are loose compared to above, but i am sure if you OC the above from 3200MHz you will have to loosen up your timings with this kit somewhat as well.
And before you say it is not stable, it has done countless hours of Memtest86 without issues and I have not had any problems so far with it.
Surely for $219 you could just buy 3600mhz or 4000mhz RAM rather than buying 3200mhz RAM and hoping to OC it. nobody should be paying more than about $120 for 3000/3200mhz DDR4 RAM…($108 for 2 sticks from here https://www.scorptec.com.au/product/Memory/DDR4/79105-KD48GU…)
gen2/gen3 Ryzen is way less picky with RAM than 1st gen Ryzen. better off selling your first gen ryzen chip and getting cheaper (fast) RAM than overpaying for B-die RAM just to keep your 1st gen chip happy.
Wow that Klev ram actually looks pretty good. I've not heard of that brand before.
Klevv is just a sub-branch of SK Hynix
Damn that does look good. I got some Patriot ones that were nice, but the Klevv have a nice low profile.
Yeah I need low profile as I always build mini-ITX rigs
You do realise that these kits with B-die can get to 3866 and good timing with ease vs the c18 timings of the other kits.
And yet a 4000mhz kit is only $159 https://www.pccasegear.com/products/48275/g-skill-ripjaws-v-…
This isn't a bargain.
4000 cl18 has a latency of 9ns
3200 cl14 has a latency of 8.75nsIt's not just mhz that matters it's timings. 3200 CL14 is about as fast as it gets, besides a lot of ryzen boards don't support much more than 3200 officially.
Well Ryzen generally performs better with tighter timing. For general user that people don't care about getting the maximum performance of their system, it does not matter at all but if you get a B-die CL14 ram, you can manually adjust the timing to OC and get up to 14% performance increase.
For people that have no idea what to do, any kind of ram works for them.
Clock for clock, you will not get a 14% performance increase simply from having RAM with better timings. and i would wager you'll have a way better shot of getting RAM running at its rated speed to perform with tighter timings rather than overpaying for irrelevant B-die RAM and hoping to be able to both OC it (not guaranteed) and run tighter timings (not guaranteed).
Here i thought China supply problems had caused a surge in memory prices!
I had this and tried overclocking it. Basically the speed will go up if you loosen up the timing. For that, you may as well grab the true 3600C16 or 3766C18 for a much cheaper price. Sold mine and only got $150 for the kit at the end.
Basically the speed will go up if you loosen up the timing
Sounds like you didn't up the voltage. B-die can take 1.50v daily no problem and that's how you can tighten the timings.
And just because the timings are higher at a higher frequency, doesn't mean it's slower. Timings are a function of frequency, so the penalty from higher timings will be negated by higher frequency. But higher frequency means more bandwidth and also higher Infinity Fabric clock (FCLK) if on Ryzen. FCLK is where most of the performance improvements come from.
Not a good deal, get a much much cheaper 3600C16 instead.
Buy another set for 32gb of ram