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MP450 compact sport multi-tool features one hand opening, SAF.T.PLUS locking system, fourteen components
Needlenose pliers, wire cutter, wire crimper, serrated knife blade, cross point screwdriver, small, medium, large flat blade screwdrivers, can opener, bottle opener
Paraframe I knife has a frame lock design, lightweight open stainless steel handles, sturdy pocket clip and serrated edge blade
Paraframe overall length 7.01", blade length 3.01" and closed length 4.11"
Handle material on knife stainless steel, blade material high carbon stainless

Mod: Please see discussion below. This knife may or may not be confiscated by customs. Research before ordering

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miao he on 01/09/2011 - 23:01

very good.

hope Amazon come OZ
leolapin on 01/09/2011 - 23:13

Makes for an awesome present. Ordered 2.
- A3Australia on 01/09/2011 - 23:43
  
  Makes for an awesome present. Ordered 2.
  
  Good luck with getting them through Aus. Customs.
  
  In my experience, if they open the parcel for examination they will seize the knives. They call them centrifugally opening flick knives. They say that loosening the friction between the two sides and the blade allows the knife to be flicked open.
  - jv on 01/09/2011 - 23:56
    
    -1
    
    they will seize the knives.
    
    that would be getting off lightly…
    
    the Act says…
    
    Penalty
    The maximum penalty for importing these goods without import permission is a fine not exceeding $275,000 or imprisonment for 10 years, or both.
    - A3Australia on 02/09/2011 - 00:00
      
      If you have not had a knife (or knives) seized before - they will just send a warning, along with the remainder of the items (the multi-tool).
  - cwongtech on 02/09/2011 - 09:32
    
    Nah, these can't be centrifugally opening flick knives - as you can see, there's no finger flicking stud, only the "thumb-assisted" bit. These can't be opened very quickly.
    - BenMHarvey on 02/09/2011 - 09:43
      
      +1
      
      I own the Gerber knife myself there is a thumb stud you can see it in the picture and the friction nut can be loosened
      
      It would get confiscated if it is opened but on that hand I've bought 2 multi packs from Amazon and never had an issue
    - cwongtech on 02/09/2011 - 10:09
      
      @BenMHarvey, I have some as well, the cylindrical plastic studs on the blades are useless for me :\
      I always use the triangular tip that's actually been made as part of the blade.
scotty on 01/09/2011 - 23:36

Is it just recently that Amazon opened up more things deliverable to Australia? I swear that it used to be just books and CDs/DVDs…
- doperst on 01/09/2011 - 23:40
  
  The following items can be shipped to almost all destinations outside the U.S.:
  * books*
  * DVDs
  * music
  * VHS videos
  
  Additionally, some products in the following categories:
  * automotive, baby, clothing, consumer electronics, health and personal care, home and garden, industrial and scientific, jewelry, pet supplies, shoes, software, sporting goods, tools, toys, video games, and watches
  
  can be shipped to the following countries:
  * Australia, Austria, …….
  - [Deactivated] on 02/09/2011 - 10:59
    
    VHS ! ?? What's that ???? :)
neil on 01/09/2011 - 23:38

+1

Someone has reported that this knife may be illegal to import into Australia and thus may be confiscated by customs. Does anyone have any links confirming (or denying) this?
- doperst on 01/09/2011 - 23:43
  
  Why? Small simple folding knife, nothing illegal.
  - jv on 02/09/2011 - 00:00
    
    -1
    
    it's illegal to import any concealable knife without permission…
    - doperst on 02/09/2011 - 00:05
      
      +2
      
      This knife is not concealable!
      
      From customs.gov.au:
      Concealed knives, blades or spikes that are designed to disguise the presence of the blade etc.
    - cwongtech on 02/09/2011 - 09:33
      
      +1
      
      LOL jv, a concealable knife is like… a sword in an umbrella, or a blade in a pen, THAT's a concealable knife.
      Or hey, people would be banning kitchen knives because you can "conceal" it in its sheath.
- samfisher5986 on 01/09/2011 - 23:48
  
  +2
  
  customs website says this is fine
  
  Not Allowed:
  Daggers, flick knives, butterfly knives, trench knives, ballistic knives, concealed knives/blades, throwing knives/blades/axes, star knives, push knives, sheath knives, non-metallic knives.
  
  I know quite a few people who do it without issues, just make sure its not a banned knife because you can get in trouble.
  - neil on 01/09/2011 - 23:53
    
    According to what customs says and what A3 is stating:
    
    Knives that can opened with gravity or centrifugal force and/or pressure applied to a button, spring or device in or attached to the handle of the knife.
    
    I know nothing about knives. But I guess if they deem this a flick knife because
    
    One-hand opening for quick jaw deployment.
    
    then they may confiscate it. Doesn't seem clear cut (pardon the pun).
    - stumo on 01/09/2011 - 23:56
      
      One-hand opening for quick jaw deployment.
      
      I took that to be about the letherman tool thing though, not the knife. I didn't know a knife had jaws.
    - jv on 01/09/2011 - 23:58
      
      -2
      
      seems clear to me…
      
      A concealed knife, blade requires permission…
      
      Concealed knives, blades and spikes
      A concealed knife, blade or spike made from any material.
      
      penalty can include jail…
    - samfisher5986 on 01/09/2011 - 23:59
      
      And to make it more complicated
      
      The same knife can sometimes be confiscated or allowed.
      
      Good quality knifes are always the same, but cheap/china knives are random, some are tight and hard to open, some are loose and can be opened too easily.
      
      If you have the knife in your hands, its very easy to tell if customs will confiscate it, but looking at it on the Internet I don't know how you would know.
    - neil on 02/09/2011 - 00:00
      
      LOL. I have no idea what a jaw is. I assumed it was part of a knife?
    - stumo on 02/09/2011 - 00:01
      
      +2
      
      @jv
      
      A concealed knife, blade requires permission…
      
      Thats bull, because in that case even swiss army knives would have you locked up for 10 years.
    - cwongtech on 02/09/2011 - 09:46
      
      +1
      
      @JV
      CONCEALED BLADE means you hide/disguise a blade in an object, i.e. a blade in a phone, a blade in a pen, a blade in a pen, a blade in a crutch, a blade in your shoe, not a folding knife, stop being a mini-mod.
      This knife is fine, there's no way you can open it up quickly (only a thumbstud, which from my experience is useless)
      What they mean by "centrifugal force" is a knife like this:
      http://www.knifeworks.com/images/products/detail/GR1433.jpg
      If you look at that knife closely, there's a triangular thing jutting out between (underside) the handle and the blade. When the knife is folded/closed, that triangular thing sticks out through the other side of the handle.
      If opened enough times [personal experience, friction is reduced because the joint holding the blade is now much more smoother from use], you can use SOLELY that triangular tip, and your pointer finger to flick the blade out.
      The little plastic thumbstud that's on both this knife's blade and the one being posted as a deal… I can tell you they're effing useless. You can't open a knife quickly with one hand using just that.
      Just a random knife here: http://sanrenmu.com/en/foldingknives/product/53.php that little cylindrical thumb stud for "assisted opening" can be more clearly seen.
      P.S. In physics, there is no such thing as centrifugal force (more like gravity + momentum), just saying. [source: Uni physics]
      Regarding Swiss Army Knives I have emailed customs before about them. They are perfectly legal to be imported and mailed. However, they are illegal to carry around unless you have a legitimate reason, as with many things (you're a tradie/fisherman/sparky).
      This is dependant on your own State laws. NSW and VIC polic laws differ slightly.
      In that same token, you can be arrested for having only a baseball bat in your car (and if you look dodgey) without any other baseball gear.
      It's fine if you have knives and tools near your spare tyre or your toolbox, obviously don't try to do the same thing with a baseball bat ;)
      Customs have searched a package containing THIS because when bestofferbuy.com mailed it out, ticked it as electronics.
      http://img518.imageshack.us/img518/7254/img1739xj4.jpg
      No "Warning! Penalty! Fine! Jail time possible!", just a cool little slip that I had my package inspected.
    - BenMHarvey on 02/09/2011 - 09:47
      
      As I said above I've imported 2 Leather Man twin packs from Amazon that feature this knife and a Leatherman Charge. Never had an issue
      
      But as the rules state it could be confiscated this knife if a flick knife it has a thumb stud for quick opening and the friction bolt can be loosened to make it moveable with a simple flick and gravity
  - A3Australia on 01/09/2011 - 23:56
    
    -1
    
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Switchblade
    Australian customs refer to the automatic knife or switchblade as a blade which opens automatically by gravity or centrifugal force
    
    "Knives that can opened with gravity or centrifugal force"
    http://www.customs.gov.au/webdata/resources/files/Import_Bla…
    
    http://www.customs.gov.au/webdata/resources/files/fs_importi…
    
    "When buying items from overseas be aware of the importation rules for Australia. On two seperate occasions I bought 2 pocket knives from China after viewing the description of them. I thought it was legal to have them in Australia. Imagine my shock when I got two seperate letters from Australian Customs telling me that they had seized the knives. The description of the knifes was not accurate it looked like any other knife but these could be open by one hand and are called centrifugal knives. The seller was happy to refund my money the first time and when it happend again they started hassling me for a copy of the Customs letter. If you are not sure if the item is permitted in Australia go to the Customs and Border Protection website or phone them. Just because it is listed on Ebay does not mean you can import it. I learned the hard way and now Customs have my name on file."
    
    http://reviews.ebay.com.au/Beware-of-Australian-Customs-Laws…
    - cwongtech on 02/09/2011 - 10:13
      
      "Australian customs refer to the automatic knife or switchblade as a blade which opens automatically by gravity or centrifugal force"
      
      Switchblades and automatic knives usually have springs in them.
- A3Australia on 01/09/2011 - 23:49
  
  -1
  
  I did. As they (Aus Customs) seized mine. They sent me a warning note, that next time it would not be just a warning.
  
  There was a thread on Whirlpool about manually opening folding knives. It seems that some get through without examination. If they do get stopped, most get seized - a few get released for delivery.
  
  It was really strange. As some of the knives seized were openly on sale in Australian stores.
  
  I will try to find the link to the Customs document regarding centrifugally opening knives.
- jv on 01/09/2011 - 23:50
  
  -1
  
  http://www.customs.gov.au/webdata/resources/files/Import_Bla…
  
  You can import these goods if you have written permission to from the Minister for Home Affairs, or an authorised person, prior to the arrival of goods in Australia.
  - cwongtech on 02/09/2011 - 10:14
    
    Dude, there's nothing illegal about this knife. Your kitchen knife is much bigger and more dangerous than these.
- scotty on 01/09/2011 - 23:52
  
  Here is the PDF linked to "Prohibited Weapons Act 1996"
  
  http://www.legislation.act.gov.au/a/1996-75/current/pdf/1996…
  
  Under Schedule 1, Part 1.1 "Prohibited bladed weapons"
  
  a flick knife or other similar device that has a blade folded or recessed into the handle which opens automatically by—
  
  (a) gravity or centrifugal force; or
  (b) pressure applied to a button, spring or device in or attached to the handle of the device
  
  I think the reporter is trying to argue is that this knife in Amazon could be slightly altered (releasing the pressure for example) so blade can be opened with centrifugal force.
  - jv on 01/09/2011 - 23:54
    
    -2
    
    It would come under
    
    Concealed knives, blades and spikes
    A concealed knife, blade or spike made from any material.
    - doperst on 02/09/2011 - 00:00
      
      +3
      
      No, concealed here means "disguised" (e.g. hidden in umbrella handle).
    - BenMHarvey on 02/09/2011 - 09:50
      
      +2
      
      Ahaha I have that exact same knife in the video bought it from King of Knives, these rules are stupid because all these blades can be purchased locally
      
      I can upload a video of the knife in question in this thread being used as a flicker
    - cwongtech on 02/09/2011 - 10:15
      
      +1
      
      You sir, did not do your homework.
  - A3Australia on 02/09/2011 - 00:05
    
    I think the reporter is trying to argue is that this knife in Amazon could be slightly altered (releasing the pressure for example) so blade can be opened with centrifugal force.
    
    I am not "arguing" - I don't know as my knife was seized. However, Aust. Customs claimed that it was a centrifugally opening flick knife. I am guessing that their claim would be that by bedding the frame(s), or loosening the screws, or by lubrication, the manually opening knife would become a 'flick knife'?
    - samfisher5986 on 02/09/2011 - 00:08
      
      I bet your knife was poorly put together or changed in transport or something resulting in it being too loose.
    - scotty on 02/09/2011 - 00:09
      
      The link you gave above were from eBay. I am not saying Amazon is better than eBay seller from China, but they can be completely different knives.
    - Tycn on 02/09/2011 - 00:17
      
      +1
      
      If a knife is loose enough to "flick" open by swinging the arm/wrist, it can be confiscated under the "centrifugal force" clause.
      
      Customs "flick test"
      http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NthM0-j76AU
    - A3Australia on 02/09/2011 - 00:25
      
      The link you gave above were from eBay. I am not saying Amazon is better than eBay seller from China, but they can be completely different knives.
      
      No. Only one of the links was from an eBay 'review'. The rest were AusCustoms and Wikipedia.
      
      In fact the only place/site I can find selling this set in Australia is eBay. As no one else sells this in AU - I think it is an illegal import.
    - cwongtech on 02/09/2011 - 10:16
      
      Link to the knife you bought please?
calcium on 01/09/2011 - 23:40

Can one carry these around? ie. would carrying the knife around be considered illegal in Aust?
Am just curious.
[Edit]
Ooops… asked the same question.
- jv on 01/09/2011 - 23:52
  
  they are illegal to carry around… at least they are in Victoria, not sure about other states…
  
  one girl recently got charged here in melbourne for carrying a stanley knife she used at work to cut up boxes…
  - cwongtech on 02/09/2011 - 10:06
    
    Well if she was carrying it around outside of work/not in work clothes, then sure she'd be rightfully charged. If she was charged AT work, then… that's just the police being ridiculous
- samfisher5986 on 01/09/2011 - 23:52
  
  +1
  
  The only thing you have to worry about is someone in public seeing it, or getting searched and having the knife used against you.
  
  So basically its a bad idea to do it.
- tdw on 02/09/2011 - 00:02
  
  i don't think it's legal to carry in WA but i do so anyway because it's so useful e.g. opening boxes at work, cutting up paper, removing staples, minor hammering, cutting loose thread from clothes, quick&dirty splinter removal ;)
  
  might be less risky to carry the multi-tool
nicksnoobie on 01/09/2011 - 23:47

I don't think you can get those through custom
thelastnoob on 02/09/2011 - 00:24

Enough of the jibber jabber! I would like to know who is actually placing an order.
- A3Australia on 02/09/2011 - 00:31
  
  Enough of the jibber jabber! I would like to know who is actually placing an order.
  
  leolapin said he ordered two sets.
  - leolapin on 02/09/2011 - 08:57
    
    Cancelled order. Would have been just as happy with the multi tool. But given the case, I might just shop around for a multi tool without the hassle of the knife.
- Crownanchor on 02/09/2011 - 00:33
  
  Order placed, but now cancelled.
A3Australia on 02/09/2011 - 00:30

I bet your knife was poorly put together or changed in transport or something resulting in it being too loose.

As the knife was seized before I was able to see it - I have no idea.

However, it was a famous brand and had many favourable reviews. None who actually received the knife said it could be flicked open unless one loosened the blade (which would be stupid as the screw would get lost - fall out). It locked in both the 'closed' and 'open' positions. It had to be 'pulled' open with two hands - one on the handle and one on the knife blade (dull edge side).
Crownanchor on 02/09/2011 - 00:31

Probably best to cancel the order if you placed an order for this item.
- A3Australia on 02/09/2011 - 00:33
  
  Probably best to cancel the order if you placed an order for this item.
  
  Yes. It is not just the chance of having the knife component seized. It is having your details recorded and kept by AusCustoms. So that if anything else gets stopped/examined in the future……
neil on 02/09/2011 - 00:37

This is an interesting video, http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_YV9PQLq4Lo&feature=related

Useful info. You can email Customs the link to whatever store you are buying from and they can let you know if it's OK or not.
- A3Australia on 02/09/2011 - 01:01
  
  +2
  
  None of the knives in that video were folding knives (manual or otherwise).
  
  I have written to Customs, giving links to this 'bargain' page and to the Gerber Set on Amazon, and asked if this knife is permitted or not.
theological on 02/09/2011 - 01:20

+1

You can carry around a 'normal' knife only if you have a reasonable excuse for having it on your person
- camelgrass on 02/09/2011 - 01:59
  
  There could be a million reasons why you may need to carry a knife.
  - UFO on 02/09/2011 - 13:36
    
    A million? Good luck with that. Care to give even 3 examples where you can carry a knife without other belongings? Very unlikely you can come up with a valid reason for carrying a knife on its own mate.
    
    Unless you can prove that the reason you are carrying the knife in public is for legitimate purposes, you CANT carry a knife. There certainly isnt a million reasons. And by legitimate I mean because it's part of your profession or hobby that actually involves having to carry a knife in public at all. For instance, saying you're a fisherman isn't going to cut it if you're walking down the street at 9pm on a Friday in smart casual clothes… unless you happen to be carrying fisherman clothes as well as the knife and you're on your way home from the dock. And since personal protection is NOT a valid reason, I'd be very interested to hear what excuse you might come up with when the officer asks you for just 1 of the million you have lined up?
camelgrass on 02/09/2011 - 01:56

+1

About 8 years ago the police found a folding knife in my backpack. They didn't have a problem with it and gave it back to me no questions asked. I guess the fact it wasn't on my body was the reason.

And that knife could do just as much "damage" as any other knife out there. It had an 8 cm blade at least.
King Tightarse on 02/09/2011 - 08:22

+1

This knife would definitely get seized is its found.
It can be opened one handed due to the thumb bar. Knives with thumb bars are not able to be sold in Victoria and customs always errs on the side of caution.

They don't f around either, the penalties are quite harsh.
- the discombobulated… on 02/09/2011 - 09:48
  
  Traditional folding knives are opened using nail-nicks, or slots where the user's fingernail would enter to pull the blade out of the handle. This became somewhat cumbersome and required use of two hands, so there were innovations to remedy that. The thumb-stud, a small stud on the blade that allows for one-handed opening, led the way for more innovations.
  
  http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pocket_knife
  
  It appears that the knife has what is described above. Since it's openable with a single hand customs would want to have a word, IMO.
  
  Also http://www.legear.com.au/Gerber-Bear-Grylls-Basic-Survival-K… sells a similar knife but it lacks that feature by the look of it.
  - BenMHarvey on 02/09/2011 - 09:52
    
    +1
    
    The knife in the Survival Kit is a smaller version of this knife, it's tiny actually almost like a multi tool blade
BenMHarvey on 02/09/2011 - 10:03

+2

All in all it's a joke http://www.kingofknives.com/cutlery/outdoor/sports-knives/fo…

Most of those knifes are flick knives after loosening them abit, we are just being forced to pay top shelf price
senorclean on 02/09/2011 - 10:19

If you guys are more interested in the multitool than the knife, maybe this is a good alternative:

http://www.amazon.com/Gerber-Suspension-Butterfly-Opening-Mu…
- King Tightarse on 02/09/2011 - 10:22
  
  Yep, I was after the multi-tool but didn't order bc I reckon the knife would get seized (didn't want it anyhow)
  So yeah,that looks quite good.
DB24 on 02/09/2011 - 10:23

Are either of these the knife?
http://www.cuttingedgeknives.com.au/product_details.php?pID=…
http://www.wellingtonsurplus.com.au/showProduct/CUTLERY/GERB…

Am I right in thinking that if you can buy it over the counter in a shop (in your state), you can import it?
- King Tightarse on 02/09/2011 - 10:27
  
  No, it seems customs are harsher with knives in the mail. Also state laws differ.
A3Australia on 06/09/2011 - 11:30

+1

Australian Customs are also not sure about this knife.

"The multi tool in the link is not a controlled item but the knife may be. I have forwarded this to our weapons area, please await a response."
- mts071 on 09/09/2011 - 09:32
  
  Any update on this yet?

This was posted 13 years 2 months 24 days ago, and might be an out-dated deal.

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