Hi Guys,
Looked at this yesterday at $2,999 yesterday, had an email that it dropped to $2,599 today making it $2,079.20 after 20%.
It's my preferred size of 15" with RTX 2070 (max-Q design)
It also has 512 GB SSD and 240 Hz Display.
Enjoy.
The 144hz one is 17inch
And 256 GB vs 512 GB SSD
All good points, cheers
you need a super computer just to maintain 144fps on dota 2
A few points to counter your arguments:
Turing isn't even fully unlocked as an architecture yet, i.e. we're not using mesh shaders, which should provide substantial performance upgrades, particularly in large open world games (eg. BR games, MMOs). DLSS is another consideration if Wolfenstein and Control are any indication of performance and visual quality standards, though perhaps not for 240 FPS.
It's not hard to take settings down from Ultra/max to High to get a substantial bump in performance.
At 15", you have the option of decreasing scaling to something like 75% without hurting visual quality in many games.
Game engine updates are all the rage right now, and these (along with mesh shaders) will be opening up CPU bottlenecks and increasing potential frame rates from a CPU and GPU perspective (i.e. gains are exponential).
tl:dr; 240 FPS on older titles MAY be achievable but running modern stuff at 240 is a pipedream. As the tech moves forwards so do the base requirements.
The games engine updates are often geared towards visual fidelity and are actually at the expense of performance. A lot of games are getting more power hungry. e.g. Fortnite use to be pretty easy to run at max settings but since their Chapter 2 update late last year you want a beefier machine.
Yes, mesh shaders will present a quality/performance decision path for developers, but with only 2 generations of GPUs supporting this (and primitive shaders for Navi), it's more than likely going to be a performance boost at any setting below maximum for the lifespan of this laptop.
DLSS is a potential offset to this as well, but we've not see that going beyond 120 FPS at this point.
April will see DX12 release with full support for mesh shading, and developers will have had almost a year to work in a full development environment to implement this, having already known about the technology for 12-18 months prior. That's probably the point at which we'll be able to clearly see the performance of these cards.
From my perspective (using an RTX 2060), I've only seen performance gains. You can see clearly in TechSpot's analysis that when using a forward-thinking architecture (GCN, RDNA, Turing) that things have stepped up:
https://static.techspot.com/articles-info/1557/bench/1080p.p…
https://static.techspot.com/articles-info/1928/bench/Epic_10…
So frame rates have gone up while using a higher visual quality setting, on top of a visual quality update. Only pre-Turing NVIDIA users have suffered, and even this is a minor issue.
@jasswolf: You must be playing very different games at different settings. All I've seen is more demanding games released, leading to frame rate drops. You do get minor improvements through the life of a game from time to time, but typically for vibrant titles that is followed by an update requiring beefier hardware.
With so many games being online and requiring you to stay up to date, you don't have the option of playing the older version. i gave Fortnite as an example because it's a solid one - a popular game played by a lot of people that evolved from cartoonish graphics to some degree of realism in the water effects on a whole new engine. You can turn down the effects but you can't go back to a version that's less demanding on the hardware, and the new version is really built for those who can have those effects on.
@syousef: I literally linked Fortnite benchmarks that disagree with you.
Some games opt to be more cinematic and target 60 FPS, some target 90-120 FPS, some work towards maximising frame rates and input latency to give as competitive an environment as possible, and some don't care.
If you're buying a GPU and monitor based on a frame rate target for a broad catalogue of games, you're doing it wrong. Buy for what you do regularly and can readily afford in a sensible buying cycle, but understand the technology to get the most out of your money, don't just get mad because some games run at 400 FPS and some run at 60.
Fact is, the target for panels is at 1000Hz by 2030, so frame rates are going to have to go up. We're already at 300Hz, and 360Hz at least by the end of the year. Frame rate amplification technologies may cover some of that, but this gen is about maximising 1440p, and next gen is about starting to maximise 4k.
These architectural and software developments are going to go a long way to achieving that.
The 17" in cheaper?
Yes, though it has smaller ssd and 144hz screen
I guess for most people (including me) find 17” too large to be portable
I looked at these at JB-Hifi and didn't think the 15" was big enough, so I ended up buying the 17"…. Now that I'm actually using it, I've realised it's too big to be used on your lap. It's so big/heavy that I wouldn't even want to carry it around on a daily basis. As a mobile workstation/gaming pc that I can take with when I'm away from home though, it's GREAT!
It has it's uses. I would prefer a 17" if I just used it at home and didn't have to carry it to uni
I ordered this laptop direct from Dell during their Black Friday deals.
Attempting to game on it makes the metal chassis and WASD keys burning hot and it's impossible to play comfortably.
I even got Dell to replace the fans and heatsync - which changed precisely nothing.
While the internal CPU/GPU temperatures aren't actually too bad (with a bit of tweaking you can get them to stay around 80°C), no matter what I did, it seemed to pump all the excess heat under the keys you use most to game.
Ended up getting a full refund. It's just not pleasant to use, despite the great performance.
It's possible I got a dud, but regardless, I'd be cautious about buying this model.
Still haven't found a replacement because I couldn't find anything anywhere near as good value…
That's the reality for all gaming laptops, have to pick either hot or loud, or both for the lesser quality ones.
Is the 240Hz worth it at this price?
can someone please explain why the prices advertised on dell's official website differ from the ones listed on their official ebay store?
https://www.dell.com/en-au/shop/gaming-and-games/dell-g7-15-…
Not bad! I'd question how many games would actually reach 240 fps though with that gpu, I think maybe CSGO would, maybe fortnite etc but it would be a stretch even at lowest settings for games like dota2 and LoL.
No chance any new titles would even push 120 fps
So a nice deal if you play older games, otherwise I think the 144hz screen is available in this exact config in this sale for around 1,700