Query on Parking Fine - No Stopping

LAussie18 on 05/01/2020 - 18:04
Last edited 07/01/2020 - 13:21 by 2 other users

I was parked on the side of the road, and came back to a parking ticket "Stopping - Contrary to a No Stopping Sign, RR-167" (VIC).

I was not aware that there was a sign until after I came back, but after looking closely, it seems that the sign is not clear in that there is a driveway separating the no standing sign and the area in which I am parked (which is not surrounded by any sign), and I must have assumed it is unlimited parking - one could argue that the no standing sign finishes at the driveway.

Do I have a case for incorrect offence issued?

Automotive Parking Fine

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  • MrHyde on 05/01/2020 - 18:07
    +17

    No. A sign with a directional arrow applies till the end of the road or till an intersection. Not till the next driveway.

    • Mechz on 05/01/2020 - 18:09

      Yep, you can't argue it finishes at a driveway, only at a corner or another sign.

    • Aussie18 on 05/01/2020 - 18:11

      Where can I find this information re signage finishing at end of road/intersection?

      • Mechz on 05/01/2020 - 18:13
        +3

        At the appropriate councils website. Why would you assume it stops at a driveway? They put these things up for a reason.

        • pegaxs on 05/01/2020 - 20:19
          +1

          I would like that information as well. I cant seem to find it anywhere where it says that a "No Stopping/Parking sign ends at the next intersection." Got a link or a reference to where it says "or until the next intersection"

          I was always of the understanding that it applied until there was either a sign saying where it finished, or the length of road. (There is an Aust.Standard for how far apart the signs have to be if I can find that.)

          NB: For the record I know it doesn't finish at a driveway…

      • [Deactivated] on 05/01/2020 - 18:17
        +9

        Where can we find this information regarding signage finishing at a driveway?

        Just take a moment, breathe, and step away from the keyboard. Now walk outside and look at a driveway.

        Do you see a signpost on either side of the driveway signing every conceivable ambiguity?

    • ascorbic on 05/01/2020 - 23:33

      Applies until a sign with the opposite arrow, a yellow edge line or the end of the road (whichever comes first). It does not end at the next intersection unless it happens to be the end of the road. (Road Safety Road Rules 2017 Reg. 332)

  • [Deactivated] on 05/01/2020 - 18:15
    +12

    one could argue that the no standing sign finishes at the driveway.

    Yeah nah.

    • HighAndDry on 05/01/2020 - 19:40
      +3

      Could you imagine what every residential street would look like, with signs bracketing every single driveway like OP would expect?

      • [Deactivated] on 05/01/2020 - 19:48

        Yes.

        Like my old townhouse.

        One of the last straws were when they popped a big ass sign outside my front window to prohibit me from my only practical parking spot and proceeded to give me a fine on the same day the signage went up.

        • AdosHouse on 05/01/2020 - 20:49

          Did the sign magically disappear that night?

          • [Deactivated] on 05/01/2020 - 22:00

            @AdosHouse: No. It lives happily ever after.

  • Typical16-bitEnjoyer on 05/01/2020 - 18:28
    +3

    one could argue that the no standing sign finishes at the driveway.

    Lol.

    Imagine how many signs they would have to put up in metro areas. Regular streets near a train station would need a few hundred 2hr parking signs on either side of every driveway by that logic!

  • brad1-8tsi on 05/01/2020 - 18:35
    +2

    A driveway isn't a delineator of zones

    • [Deactivated] on 05/01/2020 - 18:41
      +4

      Screw you, imperialist scum.

      The driveway up the road separates not just zones but nations.

      You will recognise the great and sovereign nation of othersideofthedriveway…land.

      • brad1-8tsi on 05/01/2020 - 18:45
        +2

        i challenge you to a game of Risk with driveway borders

  • Meho2026 on 05/01/2020 - 18:44
    +1

    That photo thing you’ve used is rubbish.
    It’s Sunday arvo and my other half has just closed the bar.
    I had high hopes for this one until I clicked on the thumbnails

    • pegaxs on 05/01/2020 - 19:47
      +3

      That photo thing you’ve used is rubbish.

      I got you, fam.

      • Meho2026 on 05/01/2020 - 20:57
        +1

        Thanks for that, I couldnt see a f'in thing before.

  • Melb69 on 05/01/2020 - 18:46

    The clincher is I didn't look at the sign properly and assumed it stopped at driveway. Pay the fine and move on. Council inspectors love these drivers that don't read signs. The sign would have had an arrow pointing in the direction where applicable, time of stay and hours applicable. That hasn't ever changed.

  • errorius on 05/01/2020 - 18:53
    +1

    That no stopping sign is roughly 10m from intersection so even if it wasn't there you would get a fine.

  • JimmyF on 05/01/2020 - 19:00

    Do I have a case for incorrect offence issued?

    Nope

    I must have assumed it is unlimited parking

    When assuming, you could be right or wrong. In this case you got it wrong.

    one could argue that the no standing sign finishes at the driveway.

    Nope, not at all.

    Anyhow, failure to read the sign isn't a defence. Pay up, move on. Check the signs next time.

  • KSMLJ on 05/01/2020 - 19:01
    +2

    Wait, hold up.

    So you thought the 'No Parking' sign refers to that little space just before the driveway that wouldn't even fit a SMART car??

    • [Deactivated] on 05/01/2020 - 19:05
      +2

      It a new sign targetted at e-scooters.

  • whooah1979 on 05/01/2020 - 19:04

    Please see attached photos

    I can’t load the images on my iPad.

    • pegaxs on 05/01/2020 - 19:32

      I got you, fam.

      I had to do some creative wall hacks to get them to work. The site flags as a shit spammy advertising junk image hosting site, so it was blacked by my pi-hole.

  • pegaxs on 05/01/2020 - 19:06
    +2

    I was not aware that there was a sign
    it seems that the sign is not clear

    You are parked about 5m from the sign…

    one could argue

    No, they couldn't.

    that the no standing sign finishes at the driveway.

    Doesn't work like that. It finishes at the next sign about 20m down the road.

    Do I have a case for incorrect offence issued?

    No. Correct offence issued. And what they should throw at you is the extra "parking within 10m of an intersection" (Aus Road Rule 170, [3])

  • Kenb0 on 05/01/2020 - 19:18
    +1

    one could argue that the no standing sign finishes at the driveway.

    Common sense would tell any reasonable person that driveways cannot delineate zones/areas between signs. Otherwise you would have to add a sign AFTER EVERY DRIVEWAY.

    • pegaxs on 05/01/2020 - 19:33

      And the irony is, you're not allowed to park in front of driveways… So you would need a sign either side of the driveway to say "no stopping" as well…

      "Sign-ception…" *xZibit_meme.jpg*

      • BobLim on 05/01/2020 - 19:55

        You're normally allowed to stop across them when picking up or dropping off passengers though (unless subject to a 'No Stopping' sign)

        • pegaxs on 05/01/2020 - 20:11
          +2

          That is correct (Aus. Road Rule 198, [2a]), but only for dropping off or picking up passengers, not to "park". And the pick up and drop off of passengers must be done within 2 mins. and driver does not leave the car unattended (A vehicle is considered unattended if the driver is more than 3 metres away from the vehicle.)

  • p1 ama on 05/01/2020 - 21:48
    +2

    I was not aware that there was a sign until after I came back, but after looking closely, it seems that the sign is not clear in that there is a driveway separating the no standing sign and the area in which I am parked (which is not surrounded by any sign), and I must have assumed it is unlimited parking - one could argue that the no standing sign finishes at the driveway.

    OP, don't lie to yourself. You know that a driveway does not "end" the "no stopping" zone. You simply didn't look/check before you parked. You got fined. Now you are trying to find a way to weasel yourself out of the fine.

    If you had seen the sign, genuinely thought you could park there, then came back to a fine, I would actually be sympathetic. You'll still be wrong, but I can understand why you'd be upset. In this case, you're just looking for excuses after the fact when deep down you know that's bollocks.

  • Godric on 05/01/2020 - 22:23

    Sorry mate

  • Aussie18 on 05/01/2020 - 22:36

    Thanks all for the responses

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