Works out at $1.08 a can. Free delivery for prime members. Don't forget CR/SB
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Thanks, that's a better option
Say goodbye to your gut microbiome.
And why is that?
@diazepam: Numerous studies have shown that most sugar substitutes, natural and artificial, are toxic to gut bacteria. It's ok to have occasionally but if you're like me and love those energy drinks, you will most likely mess up your gut microbiome just as I did. And it may take you 5 years to figure out the cause, like it did me.
@umexcuseme: I will strongly caution anyone that states so confidently "sugar substitutes are toxic to gut bacteria"… At best, the current evidence is questionable.
Would love to be liked to these "numerous studies" because everything I've read (I'm in the medical field and know what to read) states that it is preliminarily thought to cause some degree of dysbiosis (changes in the gut microbiome, not toxic to all gut bacteria).
The article that was published last year that everyone jumped up at was a report on sweeteners in a plate - i.e. in vitro, and we know things are completely different in vivo and in vitro - yes there may be some similarities but rare. The authors themselves introduced that bioreporter panel, something not scientifically validated and showed wildly inconsistent results between different sweeteners and thus your blanket statement is simply incorrect. Lastly, the FDA acceptable daily intake is much higher than what is present in most energy drinks.
May well have been the cause for your symptoms but given that the gut and its microbiome have long way to go before we even start understanding much of it, particularly with diseases like IBS that likely are just an umbrella term for many different underlying pathologies.
Really all up, not calling you a liar or anything of the sort, I'm just saying we simply don't understand enough about this field at the moment and it would be impossible to make such a strongly worded statement.
The article that was published last year that everyone jumped up at was a report on sweeteners in a plate - i.e. in vitro, and we know things are completely different in vivo and in vitro
If we're thinking of the same study, that criticism is incorrect - those bacteria are commonly found in the human gut and were engineered to indicate whether they were under toxic stress, with exposures analogous to what could be encountered in the gut, so it makes absolutely no difference whether it was done in the gut or on a plate - it proved that those sweeteners are toxic to common gut bacteria, and did so without methodological error. Other studies - the best of which was done in Australia, btw - have tested whether negative effects occur in actual humans drinking actual drinks sweetened with the most common of these sweeteners in realistic doses, and have shown that gut dysbiosis and negative symptoms do occur, and quickly.
I agree with you that the gut microbiome is still a poorly understood area and that much more research is needed, but people are chronically drinking these things today and yet the current body of evidence is strongly suggestive that it is pathogenic to do so. IMO the scales are now tipped heavily toward the "avoid" side of the precautionary principle.
@umexcuseme: You are simply incorrect in saying "it makes absolutely no difference whether it was done in the gut or on a plate". Realistically, it matters and a gut environment simply cannot be simulated on a petri dish. BTW you realise engineering any bacteria to "show toxic stress" inherently changes its properties?
If it matters to you, I majored in microbiology and immunology in my undergraduate degree, and previously have done my rotations on gastroenterology with world leaders in gastroenterology. As it stands there is good evidence either way and as stated before everything is preliminary evidence. The evidence is not "strongly suggestive that it is pathogenic to do so". I'm sorry but your opinion does not outweigh the specialists and researchers in this field. Again your experience is your experience but touting it the truth is wrong, and anyone in the field knows anecdotal evidence is the worst kind of evidence.
PS. Unless you have anything further constructive to say, I'm not going to continue using my time arguing with you. I'm simply trying to tell you of what is understood as of right now, but if you aren't willing to believe it, that's fine by me. There's enough patients I can't convince of the truth everyday.
Seems like normal price. Only 250ml.
Too much caffeine, do they offer a decaf option?
Water?
There’s a drought, do they offer a waterless option?
Aldi all the way for around 90 cents.
They've been hanging around for too long and don't really work as well as they used to - but people still love them for some reason.
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Rossi?
Thanks OP!
This will come in handy when the Death Stranding happens…
Monster Hamilton 12 for 13.99 pretty good deal and like 90 calories a can if anyone is looking for another alternative on Amazon.
Had these in the US, bloody shockers… Very very sweet.
(Note Australian variant may be different, I did notice some other sodas were sweeter (and more sugar) in America)
Too much sugar