Currently earning $90k. Spending roughly 2 hours on the road every day.
The new position offered is located in Shepparton with an annual salary of $100K. Title is better.
I live in a northern suburb. But it's still a 2-hour drive to shepparton. So will be 4 hours on the road every day.
Would you take such opportunity ?
Or is it a better idea to just move to Shepparton ??
I don't want to rent out my current property to random people though…
Thanks for all your advice !
You actually never got a yes from anybody here. Nobody actually said that it makes sense to do that. I think this proved my point. If you are considering it… .you got no sense. This is the god damn definition of common sense…. a sense that everybody else has.
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You should always calculate your pay by the amount of hours you spend for work in a day as a way for you to measure the worth of travel.
90k per year 8hours work 2 hours travel vs
100k 8 hours work 4 hours travel
90k for 50 hours per week 52 weeks a year is $34.62 per hour.
10k per for 10 hours per week 52 weeks a year or $19.23 per hour. Not including extra petrol, maintenance, insurance depreciation, repair. You also lose 2 hours out of the 16 hours of your day you are awake
Yes, this is a good way to calculate cost of time & make a decision.
I do something similar when trying to work out if I should go for an Ozbargain. 🙂
If I will save $30 on liquor, but it would involve spending 2 hours travelling to Penrith, then is it worth it?
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Unless you have a desire to work in the country and don't mind the extra 2 hour commute, then no way. $10k (assume before tax) isn't much in the scheme of things. If you need/want the extra money, hunt around closer to home and you'll probably find it.
But if you have a desire to live in the country then consider moving there. I'm presuming you'll save more than $10k a year in accommodation/living costs, or significantly more if you own a house currently and can sell/re-buy. Or even better if you can rent out your current property and make more in rent than it costs you to rent a property in the country, thus boosting your income by a lot more than $10k.
10k but travelling an extra 10 hours a week it’s not good. Only accept if you can move out that way. Then you would have cheaper housing, a more relaxed life and commute much less.
I recently stepped back quite a bit and changed from a full time job in the city, to a part time local job. Luckily I can get extra days working as a casual. So far I think I took the right decision: less stress, less money on transport (now 10 mins drive vs 1 hour on the train), I can take my kids to school and we get home together.
It depends how much you need the extra $10k? Would the added stress from the extra driving be a price worth paying for you? Would the new job give you greater future opportunities ? Would it be a better place to work?
Lol, no.
Get to calculating your hourly rate (what you think you're worth) + travel costs (overheads) + insurance (especially if you're driving more, more risk of accidents on the road) + opportunity costs (4 hours each day x 5 days = 20 hours… what could you be doing for 20 hours in a week instead?… a part-time job btw).
Would $20k (40 to 60) be worth an 1.5hr commute (up from 10 minutes)? 3km up to 77km travel each way. No point making a new thread. 60l fuel tank, current commute is 10L/100km. I would expect 8L/100km over longer distance. $80 a tank of fuel. Work 5 days either way. Cheers.
1.5hr commute
This is about the same travel time from Wollongong to Sydney. A $20k pay raise is reasonable.
Spot on
$10000/52weeks = 192.31 per week
19.23 per hour for the 10 additional hours less the cost and effort of travel.
Nobody works 52 weeks a year.
strange, i believe plenty of people including myself this year have.
Do you work on Xmas day, boxing day, new year's Day, Australia Day, Easter weekend, Anzac Day, the queen's birthday, labour day, etc?
@whooah1979: no but they all occur in different weeks, taking all those days off you still work in the 52 weeks of the year
if you mean with these holidays we average a 4.5 day working week you need to rephrase your statement.
as of this year i have worked at least one day in all 52 weeks (maybe even 53)
and i do work most public holidays, the pay is double or double and a half. i am working this xmas day and boxing day
I commute 4 hours by train every day working as a trainee in Sydney, it sucks but I've caught up on a ton of Netflix and can get work done while I'm travelling. If you have to drive, I would say no. If you can get public transport, yes. The time goes a lot faster when you don't have to concentrate on the road
Nope
Not for 10k when you are earning 90. More questions though like how likely do you think it will advance your career, are you going to enjoy it more etc?
Have u thought to Speak to your current employer ,say you are thikning of moving for 10k but value this company more.
There are obvious pitfalls to this.
if its a career move just rent a share room mon-thurs, it will cost less in petrol.
then in 2 years move back
NO!
Nope, after tax its only less than $500.00 a month extra in your pocket. F..k that!
Move to Shepparton, you're wasting your life and your time away from your loved ones.
4 hours travel per day (both for you and your car).
4 hours x 5 days = 20 hours per week.
20 hours per week x 48 weeks per year (allowing for annual leave) = 960 hours.
960 hours =
40 days of life
$12,096 in fuel (based on 9L per hour travelling 100km/h, fuel is $1.40 per L = $12.60 per hour x 960 hours)
96,000km of wear and tear on the car, and servicing on the car (based on average speed of 100km/h x 960 hours) = depending on your car at least a few thousand per year.
EVERY SINGLE YEAR.
For how much money?
How much is your life worth to you?
You should already be packing mate, seriously.
Your quality of life and time spent at home with those that matter the most to you in the whole world is worth more than that.
Much more.
And you're worried about what? Who's going to rent your house? Come on dude… seriously?
It's a house.
This is your life we are talking about.
What could you do with 20 hours extra per week and thousands of dollars extra in your pocket?
So much more than sitting in a car burning your life and money away.
MOVE. NOW!
I couldn't agree more…
Move to a place close to work.
https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2019/04/190427201946.h…
https://psmag.com/social-justice/long-commute-commuting-stre…
Otherwise, you will have to spend the extra 10k a year going to a psychotherapist, a cardiologist, and medication…
I really believe that 2h a day is unacceptable… I doubt you are having good sleep and having time to spend with pleasurable things. A lot of people don't care about that but I think they/we should…
This is a no brainer.
If you stay you will loose too much time
If you move you will save time but spend more.
Living out of a city is no always cheaper.
Basically what it all boils down to is that extra 10k (which is absolutely (profanity) all in a pay rise) you loose on the little things like fuel and insurance, cost of food, accessibility to things
I moved from the Gold Coast to a town
I dont sit in traffic as much but the extras i thought i would be gaining is lost.
food costs more and petrol generally costs more because they add shipping or so they call it.
Broke your macbook? .. no apple store 3 mins away, so you have to wait till your in the city next or send it away and even though you pay express post it takes 5 days to get there.
while these are not the best examples, Im trying to use them as an example of the little things that can be often over looked.
oh, and your friends wont make the drive out to see you so your social life would change too :)
Stay where you are and tell them to keep their 10k.
A lot of good consensus in this thread.
If moving for the $10k salary increase - no as this is largely offset by travel, time etc. So if that is motivator then rule it out now.
However, if moving because the role is going to allow for the development of skills/responsibilities that you (absolutely) can't get in your current role - then yes, it might not be a bad move (lateral move in terms of $, but perhaps a slight progression in terms of job seniority).
There are other costs associated with a new job e.g. the time it takes to get to know people/structures and phase in to the role before you are in a position to start kicking goals. I don't think a 10% salary bump is worth that particularly if you are doing OK and moving forward in your current role.
Not worth it man,
out of the 10K you will get around 6K-7K in the pocket divided by 12
No chance. I'd consider for an extra 50K. But for only 10K extra, it's not worth it.
hell no,
Unless Shepperton offers more opportunities down the track, then move there.
Generally most of us want to be near the CBD because of work opportunities. Hence we bare the lower living standards
FWIW I live 8km from my work but it takes me 50mins each way. Thanks Melbourne overpopulation.
I would love to earn the same money in a major regional location. If I were you I'd take the job and go move out to Shepparton.
How old are you and do you have a family? - this is what will decide for you, your lifestyle.
Spend $500k and get an amazing house! - https://www.realestate.com.au/property-house-vic-shepparton-….
You'd wouldn't even get a top 1 bedder with parking within 10kms of Melb for that.
Think of the reduced stress in your life and setting yourself up for the future.
Probably not worth it just for 10k. Unless they allow you to work from home a few days a week.
No. Move or dont take it. 4 hours is crazy.
I've done something similar before and it is not worth it.
You will be exhausted by the time that you arrive at work and you will be emotionally ruined by the time you get home. Your work performance will suffer and this whole effect will continue exponentially.
Like someone else has posted here, it may be a more appealing deal if you were attracting a 30-40k increase in income.
You mentioned that you would need to slog it out for 2 years before it really helped your career. I know I will sound like a lazy, good-for-nothing millenial for saying this, but 2 years of this sort of labour to potentially receive a slightly improved position is not worth it.
Don't know how you could sacrifice a few k's for hours of travel. I now work 5 minutes away from home, although less pay than previous, life in general has improved. Less stress, more time for myself and family.
Agree. For a while I had a 1hr drive each way. Ended up dog tired. Even when I was driving during work hours (company travel) still ended up pretty tired after a decent trip. 10min commute now is great.
Do you meet the following criteria:
No friends?
No family?
No joy in life?
I look at my bank account to feel good about myself?
Then yes, do it. At least you'll have a nice looking tombstone.
can you safely drive while learning by listening to non-fiction audiobooks?
if you can commute on public transport can you study with your eyes also by reading or watching videos?
and can you realistically commit to doing this and maintaining the habit?
it doesn't have to be 4 hours wasted necessarily.
A 2hr drive twice daily is going to cost much more than fuel. You are likely to need either significant stocks of red bull or good insurance for when you fall asleep and drive into a tree. 2hrs on he highway is completely different to 1hr in traffic. Different type of stress and fatigue and probably worse as you need to be more alert on the highway, can’t switch off like at a red might or in bumper to bumper traffic.
4hrs daily driving is just nuts. Don’t do it. You will end up a commuting working zombie with no social life.
The people are turning their noses up at taking a 2 hour commute and turning it into a 4 hour commute for 10k extra.
If you don't have a choice, for sure, do what you have to do. If you do - and the choice is effectively a pay increase of below minimum wage before you've subtracted any costs or valuable time left, it is common sense to not.
All depends on the further prospects of that job because it is not in any way worth the "upgrade" based on pay.