"The Truth About [USA's] Vaping Crisis" - New FACTS on VAPING, Jewel Lab's [addictive-by-design] Liquids, etc.

Freakonomics brought a lot of data
voices & Science together in their
Podcast No. 398, aired 2019-Nov-20:

The show's been a reliable source
of info on a wide range of impor-
tant issues, often Science- &/or
economics-based (w/ Data-related),
& All Podcasts are available Free,
online; eg, NPR has 'em Free; some
require registration, maybe free?


So, to distinguish this post from
apparently the Less Science based:

"What do you Think/How do you Feel
about Vaping?" kinds of posts,

I've opened a New forum topic, &
I'd like it to Remain Separate, so
folks can choose between:

  • Evidence-/Science-based commenting &

  • Less data-/evidence-based debating


Why is "the Vaping Crisis" big in USA,
but "almost unheard-of" in UK?

(Hint: A particular oil seems to be
causing injuries + deaths, I think)

Why did "so many" people use JULL-
liquids [in USA], & Why do "very few"
even both to vape in the UK?

(Hint: JUUL has a special formulation AND
includes LARGER quantities of it [to make
addiction more likely, & UK's gov't limits
the amount of, eg, Nicotine, etc. permitted
in such liquids; fewer get addicted there):

Also, JUUL devices are Non-Refillable,
so, it costs more to be a JUUL-addict.

:
SIEGEL: And that is that the
UK has regulated these products.
:
And most importantly, there is
a limit on the amount of nicotine
that’s allowable.

You can only have up to 20 milligrams

per milliliter of nicotine in your eLiquids.

In the US, there’s no limit at all.
:

So Juul comes along, they put 54 milligrams
per milliliter in their product, and
:
it’s no surprise that kids are getting addicted.
:
People may not realize this, but there is
Juul in the UK, but they Don’t have a youth
Juuling problem.
:
And the reason for that is you Don’t
have Juul at 54 milligrams per milliliter,
you have Juul at 17.
:
In this country, these products have
Not been embraced for harm reduction,
:
but they’ve actually embraced eCig
as a harm reduction strategy.
:
And as a result, the health care costs
in the UK are going down.

Why do smaller %'s of folks in UK even
bother to vape at all? (It could be due to
UK Gov't EMBRACING Vaping as "Harm Reduction"
for Tobacco smokers, ie, rather than trying
to "regulate" Vaping or some "flavors" or the
amounts of some ingredients, etc.)?

(Tell someone Not to do something (or, that
it's illegal) & you can expect some to want
to do it, all the more.)


Anyway, if you're a "vape shop" or gov't
regulator of such businesses or products,
you might find it interesting

If you've got kids vaping, you'll want
to hear this ~45 min. program in the
Freakonomics series.


Finally, after playing the above podcast,
I enjoyed the docu:

  • "Merchants of Doubt" (2014)

FWIW, I recommend it.


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Comments

  • +5

    It was a long 15 days between posts there!

    Do we get a TL;DR? Somewhere in there is a question, I'm sure of it!

    • +2

      I am not so sure that there is. IVI’s posts have me questioning a lot of things.

      I also think that the fifteen days is just about the right amount of time to try to work out exactly what is going in before I just give up.

    • +5

      The question is how much acid do you have to do to end up like this.

    • +2

      Do we get a TL;DR?

      Would only be 2 paragraphs if it was formatted correctly… :D

    • +1

      I play a mental game now when browsing the forums and try to guess who posted it based on the post title….

      Picking an ivi post based on the title is the easiest ;)

  • +1

    I come here for the reversions.

  • Here is a much funnier story about vaping - https://youtu.be/2POq39ce_5I

  • -4

    Freakonomics is a program that attempts to explain everything using the theories of economics because the hosts are crazy.

  • +2

    why do you
    type like
    this?

    • prolly cause he types on a nokia 5110

    • ‘Cause it makes the posts seem way longer than they actually are…

    • Coz this
      is a
      troll/ghost
      post
      .

    • You're reading it wrong, once you start to see his posts as poetry it will change your life.

      • +1

        [It has indeed]
        chang'd my
        LIFE.


        (Just) not
        for
        the better.

    • +1

      Not enough random capitalisation/quotation marks/symbols.

      Why do They
      type "like This"
      & this is a Better
      question?

    • -2

      Testing
      a new
      Screen
      for use
      in
      frames
      between
      window-
      panes:

      H: 1.2m
      W: 2 in

      Great
      Color &
      Contras
      t

      Got 'em
      Cheap,
      too!

  • don't have time to listen to 45 mins podcast…

    whats the TL:DR?

    if had to summarize from all the news I've read, the vaping deaths caused by black market Julz pods and vaping THC?

    • I'm pretty sure the whole discussion can be boiled down to:

      Vaping is seen as a healthy alternative to smoking, but while it may be healthier (less combustion by-products), the nicotine and other additives content mean that its safety and healthiness is over stated and its risks under-appreciated and not yet well understood.

      • One Fact, missed by podcast,
        is, that for tobacco cigarettes:

        • Cigarette Smoke is RadioActive

        • For Source & Why it's so: Google "Puffing on Polonium"

        (Lead-210 AND Polonium-210 are RadioActive


        Of course, if it's YOUR own friend(s) or kid(s)
        getting Addicted to Nicotine fr American JUUL,
        you might Care, esp'ly if they bug YOU for $$$$
        to buy Non-Refillable (= Co$tly) JUULs with…

        Remember:
        :
        54 mg / mL (USA)
        17 mg / mL (UK)
        :

        And: WORSE if they leave the hospital in a Box
        'cause their liquid had the "E… oil" in it

        (Analogous to Fentinyl in other drugs)

        The Only Thing New in Vaping
        are the Folks who can Die…

        See docu: "Merchants of Doobt"

        (It covers a lot of the Same Old Stories:
        eg, on Cigarettes, Climate Change, etc.)

    • Yup:

      "SIEGEL:
      :
      I think the strongest evidence is
      simply that, in 90 percent of the
      patients admit to using THC, even
      though there’s a lot of under-
      reporting, testing of the THC
      cartridges has revealed:

      "Vitamin E acetate oil"


      Transcript is on page
      you get to fr my 1st
      link (above)

      It's "JUUL"

  • +1

    T
    L
    ;
    D
    R

  • TLDR

    Click on the freakonomics link to see what lVl considers evidence base arguments on the issue of addiction and the popularity of the Jewel brand, and stir in the psychology of consumer demand, and health.

    (Even more TLDRed)

    Here's a partially digested hairball of ideas regurgitated for your consumption. Enjoy.

  • Do they only talk about vape concentrate?

    I've seen a large surge in the popularity of dry herb vaporisers, I'd be interested to see how they differ from traditional smoking in terms of health benefits.

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