Cant say if this really does help with mental or physical fatigue. cheaper than Chemist warehouse
50% off Cenovis Guarana 2000mg & Ginseng 500mg 60pk $8 @ Woolworths
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i don't understand the logic between some people* claiming red bull is unhealthy. it has moderate amounts of caffeine and additions like guarana (which according to this deal people are happy to consume on its own as well). plenty of people drink coffee but no-one outlaws it as being harmful and propose banning it.
the reality is, school kids that have heart palpitations and in rare instances die from excessive energy drink consumption would probably have died from the same amount of caffeine from coffee.
it's a given that if you have a heart condition you shouldn't be drinking any form of caffeine (tea, coffee, energy drinks) - or consult with your doctor for a safe amount.
*just for reference i had heart nurse claim exactly this, coffee was fine (because she drinks coffee), but red bull was evil because she said so
that said, i'd suggest the best thing to combat mental and physical fatigue would be to get a good nights sleep. cheaper on the wallet too (unless you count sleep time as time lost not browsing ozbargain therefore saving money on deals you can't possibly afford to miss ;)
i think it's about the 28g sugars per can, in a single hit
Trying to tell me those cans of stuffs are not unhealthy?
Mate, I'm not going to even waste my time.usually red bull and the like are associated with heart issues not the sugar and diabetes (because every single type of soft drink can be blamed for the latter, so can cakes, sweets, ice cream etc.)
sugar is less of an issue than caffeine related overdose though, depending on your lifestyle (ie. something you can control (weight gain caused by sugar) as opposed to triggering cardiac arrest which virtually anyone can be susceptible to - even the fittest)
(to clarify my comments, you didn't mention sugar in your post and i didn't either)
summary: sugar isn't really to blame, the sedentary lifestyle is
Are you a nutritionist?
i'm not fat
@cynicalmike: Just to encapsulate, risk of diabetes (and pretty well any nutritional health risk) is a lot more complex than just doing a bit of exercise to compensate. If you like to post as though you have some knowledge on nutritional issues mebbe you should grab yourself some qualifications before cracking on with a bit of homespun whateverthfckthatwas..
risk of diabetes (and pretty well any nutritional health risk) is a lot more complex than just doing a bit of exercise to compensate
sounds like something fat people say
@0jay: i'd argue that if the fat person got a little more exercise and spent less time trying to find excuses for their obesity they wouldn't be a 'fat person' and certainly be seen as less of an idiot
@cynicalmike: And your argument might count for something if you knew a damn thing about what you’re talking about.
@Nivlac: who said i was jumpy? again, making assumptions based on nothing.
not sure on what planet you 'blissfully ignore' someone then proceed to post about them? is your definition of 'ignoring' the same as your definition of 'unhealthy' - skewed and inaccurate?
@cynicalmike: "again, making assumptions based on nothing"
-Okay."not sure on what planet you 'blissfully ignore' someone"
-Earth."is your definition of 'ignoring' the same as your definition of 'unhealthy'"
-Nope.Your turn.
@0jay: if i didn't know what i was talking about i wouldn't be posting about it
you seem to want to focus more on 'other factors' than the bloody obvious and main contributing factor.
@cynicalmike: Pretty common for amateur fitness fans to have the view that it’s as simple as energy in energy out. These folks are wed to this cos it seems to work for them. This is so common that it’s actually worth countering. You may be in your forties and a somewhat successful amateur/sub-pro body-builder. That’s great. It does not qualify you to pontificate on nutrition. It’s very clear from your posts that you have exceedingly simplistic ideas about this area.
It’s very clear from your posts that you have exceedingly simplistic ideas about this area.
It's very clear that you have absolutely nothing to contribute and are just trolling for the sake of trolling. I've barely even said anything about sugar.
You've admitted to being fat, so you obviously have some issues probably affecting your mental health which is evident in your follow-up posts about accusing me being "in my forties" and a successful "amateur body builder" (LOL). I am neither.
What are you? not an amateur fitness fan? so you don't get any exercise at all or just try and belittle those that do? Because moderate sugar intake is harmless and in many ways beneficial during and after exercise, but you wouldn't know that would you? Or are you just the average schmo that seems to think all sugar is evil whilst blissfully ignoring the overwhelming evidence that the population is effectively getting lazier and lazier (cars, video games, internet - you name it).
You've actually not contributed any idea or opinion in this entire thread (just like your buddy Nivlac) and last I checked (I didn't), I don't need a degree in nutrition to have an opinion. Just like I don't need to be a mechanic to work on my car, or be a lawyer to read legal documents, or be a qualified chef to cook dinner.
@cynicalmike: I’m 183 and 82kg. You wanna talk about missing the mark you might start there. I have zero issue with people who like to keep fit. Suggesting you ‘may’ be a middle aged gymrat is giving you the benefit of the doubt - that’s old enough with enough hardwon personal experience to feel confident in their views. Apparently you’re just some jacked up blowhard. Good luck wi that.
@0jay: If we had more middle aged gymrats we'd probably have less issues with health in society and considerably less of a burden on the public health system, so are you beginning to see how sugar isn't really the problem now?
You say you have 'zero issue' with people who like to keep fit, but happy to throw out insults like 'gymrat'.
I’m 183 and 82kg.
Sure I believe you.
that’s old enough with enough hardwon personal experience to feel confident in their views.
Imagine when you reach your mid-forties! That's only probably around 40 years from now!
Maybe mummy told you that you can't have any sugar before bed. Ahhhh it all makes sense now.
@cynicalmike: "It's very clear that you have absolutely nothing to contribute and are just trolling for the sake of trolling"
-That's me bro,and I save this for people that has descended into retardville bacause I find there is just no hope in talking objectively with such people anymore.Nways, let me at least try.
So you are saying: "sugar isn't really to blame, the sedentary lifestyle is"
To which Ojay replied: "risk of diabetes (and pretty well any nutritional health risk) is a lot more complex than just doing a bit of exercise to compensate"
Your reply: "sounds like something fat people say"
How is that last reply even considered a contribution by you yourself?? Hypocritical of you to blame others for not contributing or even trolling when you yourself give such reply.
I mean, what Ojay said "risk of diabetes is a lot more complex than just doing a bit of exercise to compensate" does makes sense. What applies to one individual may not inherently applies to the next individual . Isn't Prevention always better than the cure?
Now apply that to this case, avoid energy drink's (and other sugary items) ludicrous amount of sugar and chances are, your risk of diabetes is a lot lower than compared to one that is consuming these garbage.Here is a snippet from university of coppenhagen's article on exercise and diabetes:
"There is also evidence
showing that genetic factors can predispose a person to become insulin resistant." Therefore, even if an individual that is active but it consuming sugar has a risk of developing diabetes regardless if he/she is active.
https://globalhealth.ku.dk/news/news_2009-2011/exercise_prev…In addition, here is a snippet by Harvard on Simple Steps to Preventing Diabetes:
" Skip the sugary drinks, and choose water, coffee, or tea instead"
"In the Nurses’ Health Study II, women who drank one or more sugar-sweetened beverages per day had an 83% higher risk of type 2 diabetes, compared with women who drank less than one sugar-sweetened beverage per month." https://www.hsph.harvard.edu/nutritionsource/disease-prevent…And another excellent read about sugar and the concerns of energy drinks: https://www.frontiersin.org/articles/10.3389/fpubh.2017.0022…
In my own summary: Avoid excess sugar, like those found in red-bull and the like, because even with an active lifestyle, there is still the chance of type 2 diabetes due to genetics.
Shit, I can't belive I'm spending my time convincing strangers online about sugar & shit drinks.
How is that last reply even considered a contribution by you yourself?? Hypocritical of you to blame others for not contributing or even trolling when you yourself give such reply.
way to cherry pick. read my first post. i highlighted the over perceived issues with drinks such as redbull and the like (eg. monster) and said nothing about sugar. someone mentioned sugar and i just emphasised that in relation to these energy drinks, sugar isn't the worst thing here (in teens). i was still talking about caffeine and the common complaints that excessive caffeine leads to many of the warnings about energy drinks (one of the studies you link has a section on this and highlights some of the reasons behind it).
someone brought sugar into it, i just don't think a can of red bull, coke, or any other sugary drink every now and then is the worst thing for you - being sedentary is (and again, it's highlighted in every single one of articles you link)
what is even funnier is, you link a bunch of articles and conveniently come up with your own summary that overlooks the main reasons highlighted in each of those damn articles!
wow, if you were a student i'd fail you.
i can't believe you're wasting your time posting a few links you got from google and didn't even read properly.
Now apply that to this case, avoid energy drink's (and other sugary items) ludicrous amount of sugar and chances are, your risk of diabetes is a lot lower than compared to one that isconsuming these garbage.
I NEVER said to consume ludicrous amounts of sugar. where are you getting this from?
Isn't Prevention always better than the cure?
exercise. and lots of it. it's the best form of prevention. again it's in the articles you link. every single one of them.
risk of diabetes is a lot more complex than just doing a bit of exercise to compensate
it is a lot more complex for those with underlying risks (genetic and age) but in every single one of those cases a competent doctor will tell that patient to counter those risks by guess what - exercise! (in addition to moderate consumption of simple sugars and a balanced diet)
for the majority of cases it is just not complex at all. it is, and again i'll say, just an excuse fat lazy people make with no current underlying health or genetic risks because they just want to make excuses for themselves.
Contains 23mg caffeine and glucose
Bah i rather get some nodoze plus 3 times more caffeine and added b vitamins
No Taurine. No deal!
Whats in taurine so special ?
Works a treat in aquaculture/ fish food.
No idea on humans. Seems to make people jump into, over, through and off stuff and say things like 'stoked' and 'amped'.As for the argument above I think it's all about GI index. Anyway, if you want to rot ya teeth, guts and wallet. Go for it.
Lastly I used this stuff in uni. Was ok, but only had one every few weeks. Tried Black Bombs and almost destroyed a keyboard from typing so hard and felt like my heart was going to explode..avoid
Tried "V", Redbull & Monster.
Those were disgusting.It made me a coffee person.
IIRC stimulates the Thalamus to promote clarity and wakefulness ie enhancing the caffeine
Huh. Caffeine and boiled root.
Now in pack with fancy name.
GOURANGA!
Perhaps healthier than consuming red-bull and the like. But definitely cheaper than constantly buying cans of those stuff.