In addition to my comment in the deals site, here is some info on Meat-free KFC in the USA
Would you be willing to try it?
KFC USA Trial of Vegan Nuggets/Wings
BewareOfThe Dog on 27/08/2019 - 11:51
Last edited 27/08/2019 - 12:49 by 1 other user
Last edited 27/08/2019 - 12:49 by 1 other user
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- 28Yes (only if the price was cheaper than the equivalent Chicken product)
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Colonel Sanders will be rolling in his grave.
He actually didn't own KFC for very long at all and he didn't own it at the height of it's fame.
His image and name remain the registered trade mark of KFC.
Nothing new…The colonel hated KFC.In interviews, including in a 1970 New Yorker article, he was so upset by the quality of the food that he told reporters that the gravy “ain’t fit for my dogs.” He was so open about his disdain for the alterations made to his signature recipes that KFC sued him for libel in 1978. The suit was eventually thrown out. Also, rumour has it that he was a dirty,dirty old man who cheated numerous times on his first wife.
Things got even worse in the early 90s after PepsiCo bought KFC, cut costs with all the ingredients. Although it’s a different owner now
Also, rumour has it that he was a dirty,dirty old man
So, much like his fast food outlets then?
Roll in his Gravy
Surely the people who would want to eat vegan nuggets aren't the type of people that would want to eat at KFC/HJ's/Maccas?
Some people might eat it for 'health' reasons, like getting a Big Mac meal with a diet coke.
I had 2 Big Macs (2 for $6) with a Lo Carb Bottled water today. ;)
Don’t you know that low carb bottled water is the new superfood?
Uh, why wouldn't they? If they only eat vegan cuisine for animal cruelty reasons, this is an alternative. Fast Food isn't popular just because it has meat - it's popular for convenience reasons, too. Vegans are just as lazy as meat eaters, mate.
That's true, but I think timthetoolman's point is that they'd be surrounded by people eating the products of animal cruelty. Like that scene from simpsons where Lisa turns vegetarian and can't stand her family eating lamb chops (which are delicious).
the extent that will put off vegans would only depend on how sensitive the vegan is to what other people are eating. Lisa is one that would be on the extreme end of the spectrum. Timethetoolman assumes that every vegan would be highly sensitive to what other people are eating.
If two vegans are arguing, is it still called a beef?
@Zedsdeadbabyzedsdead: No for vegans, it's called a beet.
beet
(n) - A grudge or conflict between two vegans
1. Daryl got some serious beet with Oliver over taking that last coconut bacon strip man, they ain't talking or nothin'.
2. Nigel out here talking all tough how he got beet on the street but I ain't seen it.
Nothing to do with being lazy. More a point of why would they support a company that has such a large footprint with animals and environment etc.
It would be counter productive to boycott them entirely. Supporting their initiative of making vegan options more mainstream makes them more likely to be chosen over a meat option. That helps the goal of reducing animal consumption.
I'd also wager some people who wouldn't go out of their way to eat vegan, would be inclined try a vegan option if its from a big business they're regular consumer of. Even if they're not vegan, for the sake of trying to be animal friendly. Lots of people eat eggs and meat yet support the push for free range because they still feel bad for caged animals.
What, like woollies, Coles, aldi and pretty much every non-exclusively-vegan business?
@fantombloo: It's so cool when the nonvegans downvote a vegan because the vegan is not vegan enough for the nonvegans.
I was at the Crown KFC a couple years back. While waiting for my food I saw a kid ask his parents for an Original Fillet Burger meal. They insisted it get made without meat (as in just bread, mayo and lettuce) and told him off for wanting the chicken patty. Felt pretty bad for him.
As parents, why would you even pay for a mayo and lettuce sandwich?
Pretty sure mayo is made with egg….
@Zedsdeadbabyzedsdead: OMG SPEAKING OF WHICH, apparently a Subway worker devastated a vegan customer by telling her exactly that… after I don't know how long of the vegan enjoying mayo.
https://www.vice.com/en_au/article/d3evxz/subway-worker-ruin…
This all started when the woman came into the store and ordered a Veggie Delight sub, then asked if he could please change his plastic gloves before making her sandwich. She was vegan, she said, and noticed that he’d been putting meat on other customers’ orders.
“I did that, no problem, perfectly reasonable request,” he wrote. “I get her bread, toast it and put all the veggies she wants on it, I start to wrap up her sandwich when she says, ‘Can I get some mayo?’”
He thought she was kidding and waited for her to give him a real-life LOL—but she was serious. “You know mayonnaise has eggs in it, right?” he asked. And that’s the exact moment that her life fell apart. “I felt so horrible, she stood there with such a distraught and defeated face, I had shattered this poor girl's world,” he wrote.
As she stood at the counter reeling, he asked if she still wanted the mayo. She did. “[I said] ‘Thank you for coming, have a nice day!” he wrote. “She just looked at me, sighed ‘Yea, I'll try’ and walked out.”
@HighAndDry: That's a crack up. Found an interesting chicken salt link as well.
https://www.epicurious.com/expert-advice/what-is-chicken-sal…
@Zedsdeadbabyzedsdead: Wait, WHAT?!
But…
https://mashable.com/2017/01/05/chicken-salt-history-austral…
Mitani, a spices company in Adelaide, claims to be the first to have created chicken salt in the 1970s.
"It was meant to be for rotisserie chickens, to give them good flavour and colour once they were cooked…"
Mitani's chicken salt recipe is held as a secret by the company (of course), but it is a vegetarian product — contrary to its name.
LIES!
@HighAndDry: I reckon mate. I have found heaps made with real chicken! I'm buying some, lol.
https://www.savoryspiceshop.com/spice-blends/chook-chicken-s…?
LIES!
Not a lie, just a misunderstanding. It was called chicken salt because it's salt that's good to use ON chicken.
Same as that "pumpkin spice" shtuff the Americans have (I think it's mainly nutmeg?), or "automotive paint" (which goes on your car, rather than drive itself around), and no doubt countless other examples.
It's not about being lazy, it is about having more options.
A group of 4 friends goes out for a movie and dinner. 3 of the friends want KFC for dinner. One of the group is vegan, so needs to go find dinner somewhere else and catch up with the friends afterwards. Now they don't need to.
Yeah, and now there are 3 friends.
my gf is vegan, loves KFC chips so we go there every so often … this would rock her world because she's into the whole plant based thing …
Contrary to popular belief, most people who eat plant based meat are Not vegetarians or vegans.
Best to wipe that assumption out of your mind.
One source I found from a quick google: https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.marketwatch.com/amp/story/g…
Maybe because less than 5% of the world is vegetarian or vegan.
Not really. It's estimated there are about 500,000,000 vegetarians in India.
@kale chips suck: It's 375 million estimated in India actually. (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vegetarianism_by_country)
But even with that the world total is still only around 5%
@trapper: It's an interesting question. I thought I might try to actually work it out.
Using your source and using, in every case, the lowest estimated number of people in any nominated range, there are estimated to be 581,273,889 vegetarians and additional 40,303,890 vegans for a total of 621,577,779 people.
Given a present estimate of 7.6 billion people on the planet, the most conservative estimates from that source put the percent of the world that is vegetarian or vegan at 8.18% or, to frame it another way, 241,577,779 people more than 5%.
(It's also relevant, statistically, that the data used represents on 38 countries, from 195 that exist officially)
@kale chips suck: Vegans are vegetarians btw, you don't get to count them twice.
But either way (and assuming your calculations are correct) 8% is close enough to 5% that my point still stands.
@trapper: Very good point; I had assumed, without even realising it, that a vegan would not also be included in the vegetarian column.
Having said that, I can't see that that's actually how they've gone about it, so it may not be the case, I don't know.So, to sort it, I just removed all of the vegans from the numbers. Now we're at 7.64% of the world's population as being vegetarian, and we're excluding vegans entirely, and we're still 201,273,889 people above the 5% maximum.
Again though, there's also the rest of the world to consider. The other 150+ countries.
And with that, I'm done. Have a great evening.
It's like robbing PETA to pay Paul….
What else surprises you about our modern day world?
I was vegan for a year after I watched a doco called Forks Over Knives. It's about two cardiologists who put their patients with heart disease on vegan diets and their health improved so much they went off most or all of their medications (important in the US because they're $$$) - the theory is that animal fats are particularly pro-inflammatory and bad for hearts. I would have totally eaten these, there wasn't a lot around for vegans back then. I've never felt better in my life but in the end it was too hard to maintain, especially now with kids.
Particularly if they're doing it for sustainability reasons.
I don't see how a holier than thou attitude can be effectively maintained while shopping for vegan product at the dirty bird.
That's under current circumstances. If they introduce cruelty free options, I guess they might want to vote with their wallets to encourage a wider move in that direction.
Can't wait for them to invent chicken salt vegan version
I just found out that chicken salt is called that because it was made originally for rotisserie chickens, not because it's made from chickens. Apparently it's vegetarian already.
Interesting, I thought that it had chicken seasoning made from stock in it.
Same! Mind completely blown. I could swear it even tastes chicken-y, but now I'm wondering if that's just some kind of placebo effect because it's called that and I thought it was made from stock.
@HighAndDry: I just recall a chef telling me that or something similar, but more in regards to Demi-Glace.
ok…so can we gather together and file a lawsuit to KFC for misleading and deceptive conduct? I felt betrayed by the fact it's not chicken based salt…
Hate to break it to you… but BBQ Sauce isn't made from BBQs either.
Hate to break it to you… but KFC didn't create chicken salt
A surprise to be sure, but a welcome one.
As long as they include it in the 24 nuggets for $10 deal I will be a happy, chicken-free man.
My mates new girlfriend is a vegan but I haven't met herbivore…
amazing
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As long as they don't call it "chicken" nuggets and instead call it whatever name they want it, like began nuggets, meatless nuggets etc.
Bookmark my comment, in about 4-6 years when ordering we will have to mention that we want "meat" nuggets and "meat" beef burgers, because otherwise we will be given some factory manufactured meat alternative crap by default.
There is a burger shop here in Canberra that sell vegan burgers as first option offered. You need to ask for the meat version if you feel inclined.
That's misleading and deceptive. A burger is meat.
hahaha, yeah, the missus wasn't too happy when I said I was going to start a food van serving "Vegan" burgers and "mushroom" burgers that were actually made out of meat …
If vegans can get away with putting things in quotes and lying, I can do the same to them!
It quite clearly says on the menu (meat version also available), no need to be insecure.
Chickless nuggets?
Nuggless?How about chicken free popcorn chicken?
Popcorn popcorn?No popcorn in them either. So that means you ask for a "bucket of chicken-free, please"…
Kentucky Fried Curd just doesn’t do it for me
If it weren't for my family I would say the same but fried curd is probably one of the tastiest vegetarian things ever.. salt and pepper tofu anyone?
Just wondering if they'll have Vegan cooking oil in Vegan only containers or cook the 'fake' nuggets with the real meat ones?
If God hadn't meant us to eat animals he wouldn't have made them meat-flavoured.
KFV
Wonder how it would compare to Lord of Fries' take on "chicken"? I'd still try it though. Some of these vegan meats are quite good.
Having tried Lord of the Fries' take on chicken, I don't have much hope for this. It was absolutely disgusting.
Their beef alternatives are much better.
A rubber chicken will never taste like the real thing.
Enjoying all the comments and opinions from my fellow OzBer's.
I wish I put the poll in at the beginning.
How can you change the answer? I clicked on a yes by accident, I’m on the hell no camp.
KFC in the USA is disgusting. So maybe these might taste better than their chicken.
I love kfc here. The chickens are such better quality, thicker and jucier. I dunno what rat hybrid chickens they use in the USA, but it's awful.
There are hundreds of much better chicken joints there, so kfc just doesn't bother trying.As for vegan options in fast foods. Meh, who cares. We should all be trying to replace meat meals with vegies at least a little bit if we want to try to be sustainable in the long term.
Not sure why you got negged, because the statement is pretty accurate. I was surprised that people enjoyed KFC until I moved to Australia and realised that it was a completely different product.
Their biscuits/scones are a lot better than the ones here though.
KFC in the USA is disgusting.
Popeye's FTW
I lived in Canada for a few years, can confirm KFC over there is terrible too. Atleast they have popeyes and Swiss chalet
Agreed. KFC in the US is the worst.
Who cares, just open an all you can eat and all you can drink alcohol KFC in oz already like they have in Japan!
I agree entirely…
Very exciting, hope it comes to Aus in the near future
The end is nigh.
If you actually see how KFC is made you will never eat it
Sure its a nice treat once a month but I haven't touched it for 4 years
The amount of saturated fats + sodium in these foods is insane. The fact that they are doing vegan nuggets makes me wonder what fillers they are using to down the protein content
I worked a couple of years at KFC and I still crave it every now and again even though I don't eat meat anymore haha
What turned me off it more for a while was having them for catering one time for some school event. Afterwards, the giant boxes the chicken came in was covered in a layer of white congealed fat at the bottom. Think I didn't have KFC for a whole… week… afterwards haha.
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so they are still selling meat free nuggets