Moved to Forum: Original Link
https://www.metrotrains.com.au/industrial-action/
As per MetroTrains website, the planned 4 hour work stoppage for Tuesday (27 August) has been cancelled and operations will continue as normal on Tuesday. Please carry your travel passes at all times.
Date changed to 27th as per the Age article
https://www.theage.com.au/national/victoria/metro-trains-to-stop-for-four-hours-this-month-when-staff-walk-off-the-job-20190809-p52flu.html
Yes they will. They're RTBU members as well.
The police aren't RTBU members though are they ?
Don't police check for tickets also ? I know I have had police check for tickets in NSW many times.
f*ing unions. Hey, let's just give away something that isn't ours because we disagree with our employer… but really we're only threatening too because we'll probably be in breach of our job performance if we followed through with it.
Ughh I got Mondays off!
lol. The article wrote "The union also wants to overhaul the pay of station staff, who are now required to do more, including controlling crowds on busy platforms, stopping commuters from holding train doors open and providing more customer service information but without any extra pay".
Isn't that their job? and they want extra pay for doing their job. Sound about right.
Maybe we could tip them directly when they start calling out specific individual selfish (profanity) who refuse to get out of the damn doorways when there's plenty of room inside (or even if there's not frankly)
Classic unions.
They have done a lot of good in the past but like The Simpsons likes to point out they just become greedy and/or corrupt. They seem to have no concept of striking or paying themselves out of a job.
To the actual "deal" itself I'd take it with a grain of salt that trains still run normally.
I’m sure the same was said when they were protesting a 6 day work week too.
So if they give in and further increase the rate that these relatively unskilled workers get that will ultimately mean a higher train ticket price for everyone.
The union has a place but its a fine line between get a fair wage and using standover tactics to get what they want.
I don't see this as a deal, nor do I think the ozbargain platform should be used to promote this.
our Federal politicians have had a 38% increase in wages over just 12 years despite exceptionally poor performance.
^^This^^
It is almost a pity the politicians don't go on strike (probably because we might not notice).
The federal parliament seemed to be in a state of limbo for about 6 months leading up to the last election, but the country kept running.
That's 3.16% a year which is more or less the expectation of any job.
It would depend on the contracts that are in place between the state government (who set the public transport fares) and the rail operator (Metro) who pay these employees.
It is only a deal if:
- you use myki money (not a pass), and
- you choose not to touch on at a rail station, and
- you choose not to touch off at a rail station, and
- you don't touch on/off on a tram or bus service.
This is still fare evasion and literally a crime, not a bargain, you have no legal recourse if you get caught.
There is literally no difference between this and "Free movies when the person at the cinema is looking the other way."
There is literally no difference between this and "Free movies when the person at the cinema is looking the other way."
Except that using your cinema analogy, the Cinema staff have purposely and collectively decided to not check movie tickets in order to further their cause for a wage increase\better conditions etc.
They still don't have the authority to determine that you're allowed to have free entry and thus you're not not committing a crime based on their direction.
The AOs and gate staff have no more right to say you're entitled to free travel than you or I.
If you do this, you will be committing a crime.
Is it OK if I assume that you don’t use public transport or have already paid for a pass?
@sween64: Swap "committing a crime" with "breaking the law" then.
It's still not a bargain and doesn't belong here.
To be fair, a strike is when you don't go to work (also means you don't get paid). Which is fine, and should be legal to withhold your labour (no one should be forced to work if you don't believe their wage is fair).
But this strike is about going to work and not doing their duties (and ofcourse expect to be paid for going to work).
So, I do think what the unions are doing is wrong.
But I upvote for the deal. :)
This is still fare evasion and literally a crime, not a bargain, you have no legal recourse if you get caught.
The people catching you are basically giving you their blessing and telling you to "go ahead".
Until the non-union members come along.
Booking office staff will also refuse to sell and upload myki cards while up to 3000 members will refuse to wear their uniform indefinitely.
Then you tell them you tried to buy a myki card but the booking office refused to sell you one. Tell them to take it up with the booking office.
@lostn: https://www.ptv.vic.gov.au/tickets/myki/buy-a-myki-and-top-u…
Buy a myki card and top up at:
- myki machines at selected stations and stops
https://www.metrotrains.com.au/tickets/
YOU CAN BUY A MYKI AT:
- at myki machines at all Metro railway stations and some accessible tram stops and bus interchanges (full fare only)
@picklewizard: The machines don't work with Only1 Visa / EFTPOS giftcards so sometimes I have to use the office
I tend to agree although unclear if it's a crime. To me an analogy is a union turning the speed cameras off in a road tunnel because of industrial action then someone posts that there is no longer a speed limit in the tunnel.
Good analogy - nobody would argue that there is suddenly no speed limit! If no speed is displayed, then it's 50km/h. The road safety act still applies, even if the cameras are off, just your chances of being done for it are decreased.
Regarding "crime", happy to accept "breaking the law" as a substitute.
Same thing happened in South Australia not too long ago and our state government said there would still be ticket inspectors out in force to issue fines.
So if the Vic government is anything like the SA one I'd still be weary and possibly scan your ticket anyway.
Thats right, they can still have people that check and fine you. So perhaps not post it as a deal as we currently dont know.
Also its still an infringement even if noone enforces the rules. Its like if the police went on strike then you post a deal for looting stores on here.
Except that the stores aren’t related to the cops in any way.
This is nothing compared to the thuggery of CFMEU. This is child's play rofl…
I'd be careful with this - they're making announcements on the train that they will be checking tickets and that you need a valid ticket.
OP should mark this as "Expired" or "Cancelled" - or put into Forum because it is no longer correct as Free travel on Monday 12/08 and 19/08.
as nmehta put the link that the union has lost in court so Monday travel is NOT FREE!
Another link is:
https://www.theage.com.au/national/victoria/melbourne-train-…
On the train now and there was an announcement stating people would still be required to touch on and off on this day. No bargain.
LOL at the brillant moderators here :)
Watch out for the bargains on the next purge day .
Union has withdrawn all industrial action…
Nothing now.
This was never a deal if you read the age article… stealing is a crime.
Mr Parry said the union had pushed a misleading public campaign suggesting that "Monday is a free ride day".
The travelling public was always legally required to travel with valid tickets, Mr Parry said.
While some commuters may get a free ride when some gates are left open, others may not be so lucky.
Police and protective services officers will be checking tickets on both Mondays and commuters could be fined for fare evasion, Mr Parry said.
"Some of the authorised officers who are [union] members … may not issue infringement notices, but that doesn't apply to PSOs or the Victoria Police," he said.
Police and protective services officers will be checking tickets on both Mondays
Since when have police become the ticket inspectors?
Since when do police investigate 'items or services taken from a private retailer without paying'
I don't know i guess police are just there to be pretty
Pretty sure police have got bigger fish to fry like the car drivers going over speed limit.
I'm not sure how police officers would be able to check "tickets", as they are all either plastic myki cards or the mobile phone version. There is nothing visible for police to check.
Police could always issue infringement notices for other violations.
The obvious one would be not presenting sight of the the card when queried.
The two snagged by inspectors today walked through gates without presenting a ticket. The inspectors asked to sight the ticket and commuter to repeat exit using touch off.
Much like when police ask to see my driver's licence when driving. Nothing would prevent the capacity of an Officer doing that
And to noones surprise, action has been cancelled and I saw people being booked at Parliament station.
Scheme by shitty transport system to get a few extra bookings and up revenue.
will the train controllers do the correct thing