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i9 9900k, https://www.ebay.com.au/itm/Intel-S1151-Core-i9-9900K-3-6GHz…
i7 9700k, https://www.ebay.com.au/itm/Intel-S1151-Core-i7-9700K-3-6GHz…
Enjoy!
Intel Core i9 9900k $688.50, i7 9700k $512.10 + Delivery (Free with eBay Plus) @ Computer Alliance eBay
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Not quite enough to be properly competitive though
What is competing ie. faster than this for gaming or single thread loads?
AMD. The biggest bottleneck for gaming is the video card.
AMD processors are getting significantly better and comparable. Intel still edges them but there is a significant premium.AMD are better value for money and intel have been lazy and greedy.
Better to go Ryzen 3600 with decent x470 or even b450 and put the 500$ saving towards a better GPU, will give much better fps than the CPU difference
@reactor-au: One of PCs needs a new CPU, so I'll get a new Motherboard as well. the Ryzen 5 3600X is within my price range. Any good? What would be a not too expensive MB for that CPU?
@reactor-au: I've just had a look and it may have to be a 3600X as the 3600 doesn't seem to be available anywhere at the moment!
Nice! Just bought last week for more.
Only 8 core :(
More core?
Its good enough for most apps.
Its good enough for most apps.
That's what they said when the Pentium III came out.
I do Extreme Minesweeper. The more cores, the better…
Need to watch 12
pornmovies concurrently so need at least 12 cores.
You were cores ahead of your generation.
good enough
more than enough*
A $700 CPU shouldn't be justified with "good enough". Especially when the tier below it has been impaired solely so it can exist.
Finally dropping in an effort to compete with AMD. Hope that those of you who bought i7s in the last few months have price protection…
Who the hell offers price protection?
Most of the premium credit cards and some premium debit cards.
Basically you can claim the price difference, if price drops if you bought within the last X months.
Any recommendations?
@whiskeyjack89: 28 Degrees has an excellent card with 12 months of protection, along with fee-free international transactions.
ooh thanks for posting. been waiting for that price drop. very tempting as I have 6600k now, and a spare z370 motherboard sitting around. new ryzens might be good, but I don't do much else other than gaming and I think 9700k is mostly better than price competitor.
So you're prepared to pay 33% more for less than 10% more gaming performance (and performance equivalency otherwise) when you could buy a better GPU and wait for optimisations to mostly close the gaps?
Even Intel know their current architecture is dead weight, and will move on from it by 2021.
Really, you could even look at the 3600 against the 9700k.
lol you can say that about every 2nd generation increase though…
CPUs and GPUs are still getting trumped every year or two.Same can be said about Ryzen 3600 over 6600K, it offers 13% gaming performance gain. For that, you need to buy a new motherboard and CPU.
Honestly, most people buying Ryzen 3xxx series are really just after a new toy. Sure, we can all tease intel for lack of progress in the last 4-5 years. However, the reality is AMD only just finally caught up on single core performance.
AMD Ryzen 3xxx series CPU has a RDRAND bug. This currently affects latest linux kernel and Destiny 2. It's true that those are not important to most people. I was hoping AMD would get the ComboPI fix to the board vendors soon. However, it looks like they stuffed up that patch (Asus reported issue with it so AMD pulled that patch out). Anyway, a lot of board makers are already lagging behind in BIOS updates (esp on older boards). Better off to wait for linux and game patch/workaround instead. Also, there is AMD vs some board vendors (e.g. Asus) trying to disable PCIe 4.0 on B450 / X470. Can Asus and other board makers manage to hack the latest BIOS (won't be easy because AMD just provide the compiled binary) and re-enable it?
AMD, when you have a bug to fix, please fix the bug properly, rather than spending time trying to disable PCIe 4.0 on B450 / X470.
Most people who are buying Ryzen are probably upgrading from a 4-core CPU and found Intel's price points to be heinous. It wasn't so long ago when an unlocked i5 cost well under $300, and for that money I can get something that largely matches or out-performs all currently-sold i7 chips, just not in a handful of games, for now (and in some cases that will remain the case, though the gap should close).
And here's the real kicker: 3rd gen Ryzen is currently wildly overpriced, particularly in the 6 and 8 core offerings. They're taking Zen 2's equivalents of the Ryzen 3 stack, and selling it as Ryzen 5 & 7.
And a CPU at launch needing BIOS updates? What a shock…
Intel botched a process lead, and they also fleeced customers with it for too long. This is their comeuppance, but I look forward to their real response in 12-18 months time. In the mean time, don't be a fan boy, and instead look at the wealth of value that is becoming available to consumers, the vast majority of whom will benefit from what Zen 2 has to offer compared to Intel's current line-up (and likely again versus their '10th' gen desktop parts, after a price drop).
You mean they have a feature that disables the NSA's backdoored RNG, ensuring no sane software relies on it. As it should be.
intel is giving you 6% better gaming performance wile costing 30% more using more power, producing more heat and needing to spend money on a CPU cooler
Depends on the game too, but these really aren't being aimed at the budget crowd who won't buy a big AIO cooler and overclock the piss out of it, at which point the gap widens even more.
@Thefong: Yep the power difference is noticeable if you own a 2080ti, in which case the extra money is worth it to not be cpu limited.
Speaking from someone with a 2080ti, dual tower air cooler and enjoy it at 5ghz all cores.
Fastest gaming CPU money can buy.
I waited for Ryzen 3XXX but honestly still too many games where there is a double digit drop in performance before overclocking. Ryzen has no overclocking headroom and the motherboards are either too cheap and buggy(B450/X470) or overpriced(x570). z390 is a very stable platform these days and you can find great motherboards for around $300-$350.
@neomoz: Yeah, I grabbed a 2080 last year when my trusty old 680 finally carked it, just in the process of upgrading the rest of my pc now, and decided on the 9700k, because the Ryzens just can't keep up for gaming, especially at lower res (I've got a 1080p 240hz gsync Asus 24") and seemingly have awful headroom for overclocking. Just ordered at this price, and have a TT Water 360mm AIO sitting at home waiting for it, hoping to get 5.2 steady as long as the silicon gods smile on me.
@Major Mess: I prefer buttery smooth over high res. Had a 1440p, 27" monitor, preferred my smaller 1080p,so I returned it
Disclaimer: jasswolf is extremely pro-AMD, which makes their comments quite bias.
not necessarily 33% more because I don't need to buy the motherboard if I went intel. and next step in graphics card is something like a $500 increase, assuming I can resell existing one for 100% of cost.
I'm not arguing on the general value of ryzen 3, but in my very specific case I don't see much point switching to AMD to get worse performance.
You're right here - GPU would seem like the better choice at this point.
This new Ryzen lineup has stirred people into a frenzy, and yes, they're putting Intel under the pump and that's excellent, but do most people really need a CPU upgrade? I'm still rolling with my 3770k and for gaming, I'd be much better off with a new GPU instead of a CPU upgrade - most CPUs from the past 5-6 years should still be good for another year or two.
The 3770k was ready for an upgrade 2 years ago. I only held out to see what AMD came up with. Getting a bit over doing the same with gpu's.
@Major Mess: I do agree it's a little long in the tooth these days, but it's been performing well enough for me - the price of just a new CPU wouldn't be too bad but I'd be needing to buy a new motherboard + RAM too, which could run me close to $1k… When I ask myself if a bit more performance is worth that much, I can't say yes (as much as it hurts me)
If you need to sell the 6600k ;)
yeh?
This guy would be interested
I've got a 6700k.
Upgrading to 3900X.
Looking forward to massive gains in my video encoding + decompression.
for gaming these will still be better than AMD just a dead end for upgrade path..
until games use all that awesome multi core goodness and great bang for buck that amd offer intel will still get hardcore gamers coin…
its awesome there is finally competition as us the consumers will benefit like this price drop or god forbid intel will actually give us some new tech instead of refreshes to keep ahead….
great find op…extra note…. for me as a casual gamer not a competitive needing every single extra frame etc i would still go the AMD 3600 as the difference to casual playing would not be noticed but its always gonna have a holden vs ford battle especially now since amd pretty much caught up to intell gaming and smashed them in productivity workloads……….
either way this is still a great bargain for those wanting intel…
I'm not sure I fully agree with you on who will want a 9900k over a 3800x or a 3900x.
For non-casual gamers (professional gamers) if they stream their content, which many do, they'll want a high core count, such as the 3900x, to encode as they play. The high core count on AMD CPUs are noticeably more beneficial for streaming while gaming. The professional gamer who doesn't stream, will want a 9900k for sure.
For the non-professional gamers (casual gamers) who are pre-pared to spend a lot, the 9900k does offer a noticeable benefit over the 3800x/3900x, however if they play at resolutions of 1440p or higher, they won't notice much of a difference during gaming.
As you stated for the majority of casual gamers, the 3600 will play games fantastically, and the 3600 is faster than the 9600k in Counter-Strike, while costing less and it comes with a CPU cooler while 9600k doesn't.
For streaming wouldn't they use the graphics card nvenc encoding?
Exactly. You can use AMD CPU only if you want, but once you turned on QuickSync or Nvenc, there is no competition. The difference is huge.
It's just people trying to come up with excuses to buy 3900X. You read reviews on faster Blender and Cinebench scores so you assume streaming will be faster by just using pure CPU (with no video acceleration). Some don't realise those content creators (DigitalFoundry, Hardware Unboxed, GamerNexus) actually use a powerful GPU with a large amount of VRAM to do video work (and they are eyeing for Threadripper 3). The reality is most of us don't need these new AMD toys. The more cores more threads is good marketing.
Hype up the CPU all you want, if you don't have a good graphics card, gaming on Ryzen 3900X will still suck.
Hype up the CPU all you want, if you don't have a good graphics card, gaming on Ryzen 3900X will still suck.
This is something you completely shied away from when responding to my comment. Please stop changing your tact to suit a needlessly pro-Intel agenda. This is a bargain website, and people will be looking at deals and reading comments to find and understand good value.
@jasswolf: I am not pro-intel. It's just most people don't need Ryzen 3xxx CPU, nor intel i7, i9.
If you must get one, then Ryzen 3600 is the best buy. Anything above, for most people are really nice toys. If you really have high thread count needs (for work), you know which CPU you would go for anyway.Hardware unboxed good enough for you? They recommend 3600, but not 3700X. They called it a somewhat odd middle ground. You can get 3900X, but your reason shouldn't be gaming.
@netsurfer: I'm not pro-AMD, and I find a lot of HU's opinions and speculation to be ludicrous. It's the 3800X and the 3600X that are useless parts at present.
I wouldn't recommend anyone buy now if they can hold out, because Zen 2 is overpriced, and Intel is delusionally priced.
In terms of the original commenter with the 6600k, I wouldn't advise them to move on from that chip for gaming, yet, and instead grab a better cooler if they need it for an overclock, but most of the time when you tell someone not to buy a new computer, they often do it anyway, so I might as well steer them towards value.
If they stop and compare, they'll quickly realise how little of a difference it will make for them, at least for now. The more that multi-threading comes into the mix (and it should do with Zen 2 powering consoles), the more things will lean towards Ryzen, at least in terms of that and Intel's 14nm offerings.
This really isn't the same discussion as AMD vs NVIDIA currently: Intel are terrified, and they have every right to be.
@jasswolf: Mate, we are actually on the same page. If you really read all my comments, that was exactly what I recommended to the 6600K owner (that CPU is overclockable being a K series CPU). I can understand why someone wants a 3600. Those reviews are just very tempting and in a way good marketing.
And, we both know when it comes to gaming, it is the GPU that matters. That's why I find 3900X a great choice for gaming laughable. I also want to inform him 3700X is not good for pure gaming only.
It's not that pretty for AMD yet. Sure, they managed to beat i5-9600K in single core, but that's done using 7nm (which is equivalent of intel's upcoming 10nm). Intel still have the lead in laptop market. AMD is chipping away on the server side, but intel still have the majority share. The server market share is really important to intel.
Ryzen 3xxx series CPUs are out, intel share price went… up. Yes, intel know they are in trouble, but right now by still having a better core (even if it is only just a tiny bit), intel can still play the core count game in the server market. The 7nm costs AMD 2X more (that's why the IO die is still on 14nm). Sadly, most gaming and benchmarking sites will still use intel CPU to benchmark GPU cards for the time being. Those reviewers buy AMD systems themselves (because for work, they need high core / thread count).
That is absolutely brilliant tech for keeping fps impact low and the stuttering to a minimum while streaming. However if those guys want to include their face as well from another webcam, it has difficulties keeping up with the 3900x and the 9900k suffers doing that at medium quality x264 medium or slow. I'm not sure what percentage include their face in it as I don't watch streams.
I find when running games at 4k NVENC can struggle - at least with OBS, though it works fine with ShadowPlay.
Software encoding has similar issues despite a low load and plenty of CPU headroom. The only encoder that works smoothly for me is QSV.
If I ever go with a CPU without an iGPU and still want to use OBS, I'd probably have to add a second GPU for encoding. A cheap/old one should work there.
How many ozbargainers are professional gamers? Wouldn't these professional gamers be getting hardware given to them as part of their professional sponsorship anyway? What sort of an income can you make from gaming in Australia?
No clue how many or how much they make. I was giving my opinion to someone elses opinion.
Intel has taken my money for far too long now. It’s time to make the switch to AMD
The i9 is the real i7 with Intel 9 series. They gimped the 9700k by removing threads.
there's always one gimp in every family…
I’m pricing up 3700x components and like for like motherboard the i9 9900k works out $50 more. With this sale it’s actually cheaper!
your saying a $510 CPU + other parts in total costs more then a $688 CPU plus other parts?
Where is the $178 going?? .. because the only part that differs from the 9900k and 3700X is motherboard. also you need to spend an extra $50 on a CPU cooler for the $688 intel 9900k so that make the intel system cost $228 more just in CPU alone
If you look like for like for example - X570 Aorus Pro Wifi is $470 and the Z390 version of same is $259 - the 3700X best price $519, i9 on sale is $688. OK thats actually a $41 difference in favour of Intel and you still need a cooler (I have plenty though).
If you compare 3900X the intel setup is $300 cheaper.
Yep the x570 boards are stupid expensive and with recent intel cpu deals, it's a better deal to grab a 9900k and z390 board.
That's what I did a week ago, very happy with my 9900k @ 5ghz all core(1.28v) on the aorus z390 ultra.
The aorus board is a t-topology board too, so I was able to run my 4 sticks of ram @ 3600mhz no problems, most x570 boards are daisy chain and 4 sticks means much lower frequencies for ram.
I already had a cooler from my old setup, most people running older intel builds already usually own a good 1151 socket compatible cooler.
Z390 doesn't have PCIE4.0 so that's not comparable. GN and HU both say B450 is just fine with 3xxx series.
Hey guys i have an i5 6600.
Can you explain what i should upgrade to? I can't understand what you are all talking about when you mention 13 percent more performance gain going 3700 etc.
Should i just get a better intel cpu and wait till end of year to buy a new graphics card? i have a 1070 at the moment
Cheers
Budget? You plan to sell your i5 system after the upgrade?
Ryzen 3700X is a no no for just gaming (waste of money). It only offers at best 3% (offer just 1-2%) gaming performance advantage. When SMT is turned off for Ryzen 3600 (SMT = AMD's hyperthreading), in some games, Ryzen 3600 can beat Ryzen 3700X. Honestly, SMT on/off tweak isn't worth it, you do gain a bit on average with SMT off, but not much.
What monitor do you have? What resolution do you game at? 1080p or 1440p?
If you must get a CPU upgrade for pure gaming right now, Ryzen 3600 is the AMD CPU that makes sense (value for money). There is virtually no additional gaming performance gain for 3600X, 3700X, 3800X or 3900X (over 3600). But, a GPU upgrade will actually be better.
I have heard the 8 cores will be advantageous in future gaming with all the console ports?
if you plan on keeping your computer a long time the 8core is the way to go.. if you upgrade allot.. 6 cores are enough for now
When will that happen? Next year? 2021? By then, Ryzen 4xxx, 5xxx and intel 10/11th gen CPUs will be out. If intel cannot get significant IPC boost on their 10th gen CPU, don't you think they will have to do the core bump trick AMD did?
8 cores is so great for future gaming - why don't you buy Ryzen 2700X then?
Future gaming is really a load of BS or excuses we make up to buy new toys. Sell the CPU and do the upgrade. If you are buying stuff you don't need now, you are still wasting / burning money.
Ryzen 3xxx series looks good in gaming because AMD finally managed to beat the top i5 CPU (i5-9600K). Throwing more cores on gaming is fairly useless and let's be realistic, get a better GPU if you are serious about gaming.
@netsurfer: There's quite a few games that are CPU bound, instead of GPU bound. You're right that a GPU upgrade is a better choice for most though. But CPU can be an improvement for gamers depending on the games they play.
@netsurfer: I only upgrade every 5 years so always try to futureproof as much as possible. I'm actually more leaning Ryzen for the pcie 4.0
ive got a 35 inch samsung 3440x1440 and can play at max/ultra with the 1070 pretty well
I have 8gb ram.
Had the intel i5 6600 for years i thought it was time to upgrade. I'll then need a new motherboard and cpu. Thought the new 3600/3700s were the way to go but you don't think so? Just get a 9700k? i'll need a new motherboard for that too what do you suggest?
Ryzen 3600 is a fair choice. Question is whether you need it right now. Your current setup is very sensible gaming. Ryzen 3600: $~465 (based on retail price) for ~15% gaming performance gain (if that at 1440p).
There is also another problem, you have a K processor, which means if paired with a Z series board, it can be overclocked easily. When overclocked, that margin drops a lot. If you really can push your 6600K, then 6600K can actually get single core and 4 cores performance advantage back.
If you want to try, 3600… Don't go 3700X, your current usage/setup clearly shows gaming is the main objective.
9700K… honestly, if you are thinking about that path, I suggest sell your 1070 and get a better graphics card. Your current gaming setup is pretty good.
@netsurfer: i might just wait till end of year then and get a new graphics card - the 5700xt is a decent upgrade from my 1070?
@23Marc23: Comparison between the two, the 1440p section is applicable to you:
https://www.gpucheck.com/compare/amd-radeon-rx-5700-xt-vs-nv…Really depends on the price. A couple of things:
- Microsoft indicated XBox Two will have hardware ray tracing support (which suggests next year's AMD GPU offerings would have that).
- nVidia will be getting a die shrink for their Turing GPUs, but given the current situation, nVidia won't be rushing it.
Cyberpunk 2077 won't be out till April next year I think. I understand wanting to upgrade at EOY (that's when most people have time to play games a lot). Definitely at least wait for the AIB (non-reference) 5700XT cards. I cannot stand loud GPU fans and the blower style ones (reference cards) tend to be loud. You seem to have budgeted for an upgrade and a bit eager :). Don't worry about what other people think, whatever makes you happy.
If you're playing at 1080p your current rig should be fine for a while yet, a 1070 is still a fine card and a few year old CPU should still do the job.
i7 9700k or R7 3700X?
Both are fancy toys, rather than good value for money. i7-9700K is faster in gaming, but way too expensive. Ryzen 7 3700X only looks good because it is cheaper than i7-9700K. Virtually no gaming performance gain over 3600. And, 3600X is basically paying $50 for a letter X. You need to use apps that benefit from high thread count on 3700X, otherwise, i7-9700K still wins. We know SMT/hyperthreading currently means nothing in gaming (with people turning off SMT to squeeze more gaming performance on AMD CPUs).
People buying Ryzen 7 3700X deep down want Ryzen 9 3900X or upcoming 3950X. Tease that i7 all you want, but if you get Ryzen 7 3700X but don't actually use it for some form of work purposes to take advantage of high thread count, you are still wasting money (sure you wasted $80 less).
I was going to get a 3600 but the 3700X was on an ebay sale for $469 and i REALLY wanted to get a wraith prism RGB cooler.
If the 3600 came with the wraith prism cooler i would of gone for one of those for sure.
Yeah I know the cooler is nice, costs ~$60. Ah… I see. You bought it already. Fair enough, anyway, it is a toy. Need to be happy for it. No point buying a cheaper toy you don't really like.
@netsurfer: i upgraded from an i3 6100T at stock 3.2Ghz.. i dont notice any speed difference going to a 3700X lol i guess league of legends doesnt use much cpu power
@vid_ghost: Activate Gamepass, play Metro Exodus. It's okay, we just want a new fancy toy. We pay way more on taxes, council rate and smartphones. I did sell my i7-3770 cheap, but really… just wanted a new toy.
$469 3700X win
Mines been running great on a MSI B450 Mortar Titanium.
uses no more then 64w of power and idles at 32c loads up to 59c love the FREE RGB box cooler its pretty.Where though?
The 9900K should have been called the 9700K and launched at $550. The rest of the SKU's should have been moved down a tier.
It says No Heatsink included, what is that and is it usually included? Sorry Cumputer Noob here.
You'll need a CPU Cooler as would most Intel CPUs.
I'd suggest you do alot more research or better yet stick to the tech fast deals.
oh ok and how much are the cpu coolers, say normal one for this cpu?
$9 to $99. Intel thinks if you can afford one of these, you definitely can afford a cooler (or that's their excuse).
@netsurfer: That's not even the case, it's more that they are in the silicon business, not fan/heatsink business - i.e. there are far better performing products made by third party manufacturers that a more suited for high-end chips.
@magic8ballgag: i mean AMD is in the silicon business as well but they include fantastic coolers for the price.
Damn, the 9700k is now cheaper than my 8700k :(
8700k is 6c12t 9700k is 8c8t
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Wow! These have price dropped significantly.