Animal Welfare Prior to Slaughter and The Process of Slaughter

paraneoplastic on 30/06/2019 - 03:49
Last edited 01/07/2019 - 08:54 by 1 other user

I just finished a long shift at the ED and got home to relax for a bit before sleeping, i checked facebook and i have a message from a friend with this link:

WARNING: Viewer discretion advised, not for the faint-hearted, the video shows calves being slaughtered via captive bolt and beheading

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iXhaptL5u3E&list=PLtc3iQTP5E…

I'm an omnivore and will eat beef and lamb (stopped eating veal fews ago after discovering what it was)

I just want peoples opinions on the whole 'humane' slaughter methods, as medically speaking there is no way for a human to know whether a captive bolt provides sufficient analgesia and anaesthesia to an animal before their major vessels are dissected. When i saw the first calve being killed, i really found that distressing, because the 'person' who was using the stunning device obviously missed as the poor thing regained consciousness whilst being beheaded….

After seeing something like this, i don't think i will eat beef or lamb for a while, i also had a relative dissociation between what i was eating and the animals welfare, i equated an animals cognition to the suffering it could feel, but in this video you can see after the first calf dies, another one runs towards it to investigate what just occurred.. Really heart breaking stuff…

It'd be awesome to get a farmers input, i'd like to know whether it's viable to sedate animals prior to captive bolt (i.e. via intramuscular benzo)

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      • Trying2SaveABuck on 30/06/2019 - 16:37
        +4

        fair enough - i hate vegans as much as I hate animal cruelty.

        Eat meat but treat the animals fairly

        • paraneoplastic on 30/06/2019 - 17:36

          My thinking as well, especially when shredding nothing beats chicken breast and lean steak

          • Bargain Hunter 007 on 30/06/2019 - 18:06
            +1

            @paraneoplastic: Seem like an open minded person, read 'How not to die' by Michael Greger and keep your eyes out for the Game Changers (Olympic athletes, body builders etc.) being released in September.

            I use to 'shred' with chicken breast, and kangaroo. I've found it much easier to do when I lost the animal proteins from my diet.

  • bhm133 on 30/06/2019 - 18:01

    I'm curious if anyone knows which country that film was from?

    I'm not sure why we play with our food. Kill one as humanely as possible. Clear it out and ready the next. No need for a room full of animals to witness each other dying.

    • Bargain Hunter 007 on 30/06/2019 - 18:09
      +1

      This is a business dealing with livestock and they will get away with whatever the regulation allows to maximise profits.

      This is the reality of the industry in Australia (watch Dominion to see standard practices).

    • paraneoplastic on 30/06/2019 - 19:03
      +1

      Exactly, the first calf that’s killed regained consciousness whilst it’s throat was cut, and one of the others came and checked on it - even though they are young animals they would have enough frontal cortical development to feel distress and fear, which is just unnecessarily cruel especially to such a young animal which would have spent its whole life entrapped in a small cage to reduce myoglobin deposition in its muscle as that’s what people want to eat, pink not red meat, seriously F***ked up if you ask me.

      It’s from Switzerland

      • bhm133 on 30/06/2019 - 22:41
        +1

        It’s from Switzerland

        There's my answer!

  • belongsinforums on 30/06/2019 - 18:11
    -1

    if it helps, these animals are incapable of thinking the same way that humans can, i.e. there's no abstract thinking. much the same way that plants, bacteria and other living things react to dangerous actions. we don't eat most of the more intelligent animals these days (apes, dolphins, etc.), sans octopus

    • paraneoplastic on 30/06/2019 - 19:06
      +1

      I think in terms of intelligence and spatial awareness cattle are high up, below dolphins and monkeys for sure, but they still have the ability to sense threat and fear

    • eldudebrothers on 30/06/2019 - 20:44
      +2

      Wrong, livestock carry a wide array of emotions and sensations. Mother cows are sorrowing for days when their calfs are taken away from them. Their psychological and physiological make up is not that different to ours.

      • belongsinforums on 30/06/2019 - 21:58

        yes they feel sadness. no they do not form complex thoughts and plan mutinies against the humans, despite their enslavement.

  • Maxxjet on 30/06/2019 - 18:35
    -3

    What makes human think plant doesn't suffer when being eaten?? They are lives too…. you hypocrite…..!Ok,so let's eat just earth and rocks then….

    • paraneoplastic on 30/06/2019 - 19:07
      +4

      Plants don’t have noiceptors nor a central nervous system, from our current understanding of biology these 2 things are required to feel pain with our conventional school or thought

      • eldudebrothers on 30/06/2019 - 20:45
        +3

        The 'PLaNTz FeEL pAin ToO' argument is always gold.

      • Maxxjet on 30/06/2019 - 21:02
        +1

        So people were just using "pain" as a measure if killing, or "termintaing" a life is acceptable? To kill an object with a so called nerver system whih claims to be capable of feeling "pain" is not acceptable while some other living mechanisms which can grow, mate, seed,and bleed(no, they don't bleed "red blood " so not hurting people's fragile "feeling" )and just the "science cannot prove they suffer "pain" so don't count?

        • Some Human on 01/07/2019 - 00:23

          This is also how they justify killing millions of bugs with their cars every year. They're very selective about which lives matter.

      • SydStrand on 01/07/2019 - 00:58

        But that's a very human (or at least mammalian)-centric position. Plants mightn't have nociceptors, but they definitely react to noxious stimuli, how would we know what that heat source feels like to a plant? Some invertebrates like bivalves don't even have brains, so they can't perceive 'pain,' or at least our narrow, seemingly arbitrary definition of it.

        If we judge (and are judged by) others for eating habits, this circle jerk can go on for days.

    • [Deactivated] on 01/07/2019 - 11:31

      So true. Plants have feelings if they did not they would not be able to feel and grow around obstacles such as rocks in the ground.

  • netjock on 30/06/2019 - 20:16

    Post to make everyone argue to make OP feel better. Enough information to make your own decision rather than crowd source an answer.

    • paraneoplastic on 30/06/2019 - 20:21

      Not crowd sourcing, more to see how aware people are of what they eat. Whether the correlation between the animals life and how it ends up on your plate exists

      • netjock on 30/06/2019 - 20:25
        -1

        Correlation? You are so smart. You questioning correlation? You think it drops out of a magic meat tree?

      • Some Human on 30/06/2019 - 20:37

        I’d say many people are aware, but don’t care.

      • belongsinforums on 30/06/2019 - 21:59

        are you actually asking whether people realise that meat = animal muscle?

        • paraneoplastic on 01/07/2019 - 02:55

          No more, do people care how it ended up on the plate, as in how the animal was raised and killed etc

          • belongsinforums on 01/07/2019 - 06:18

            @paraneoplastic: ok. personally i think that if you're raising an animal just to kill it then the point is moot. think about it this way: if you have two people who each raise their own children just to kill and eat them, where one of the people keeps them locked in a cage and the other lets them out to play during the day, and you're a judge sentencing both of the people for murder, do they receive different sentences?

  • freefight49 on 30/06/2019 - 20:20

    I'm vegetarian partly because I don't need meat to survive, so why should something need to die?

    • netjock on 30/06/2019 - 20:27
      -1

      Meat eaters will argue vegetables die too in order to populate your plate.

  • Save Medicare on 30/06/2019 - 21:01
    +1

    I assume benzos don't wash out of an animal if it's dead.

    What happens when little old Beverly from the nursing home has a steak and then falls and cracks her hip?

  • DoddLad101 on 30/06/2019 - 21:59
    +2

    Animals eat other animals,

    Thread closed.

    • greater mimic on 01/07/2019 - 00:03
      +2

      OP is asking about animal welfare, not about whether animals eat other animals… Which by the way isn't true for all animals, so thread open?

      • [Deactivated] on 01/07/2019 - 11:35

        Animals are toxic destructive entities impossible for any animal not to cause some kind of destruction. Plants are the real victim. They never cause any harm or destruction but are the target of destruction by animals.

  • SydStrand on 01/07/2019 - 00:44
    +1

    medically speaking there is no way for a human to know whether a captive bolt provides sufficient analgesia and anaesthesia

    If you destroy the brain and/or brain stem, you've disrupted the pain pathways. Physiologically, it's impossible to perceive pain from the neck down (or anything else, really). Non-captive bolts are another story, but cognitive dissociation from concussions is backed by plenty of human literature. Captive bolts are confronting, but it's a lot more reliable than electrodes (second part of clip). CO2 stunning doesn't look as violent (so more socially acceptable), but it's impractical for cattle, and still relatively new.

    you can see after the first calf dies, another one runs towards it to investigate what just occurred

    Whether they 'know' what's going on is a philosophical question, as I've seen pigs unfazed by slaughter and happily walking onto a killing floor by following and lapping up blood trails to the previous pig. Would a human baby 'know' what's happening in that position?

    i really found that distressing, because the 'person' who was using the stunning device obviously missed as the poor thing regained consciousness whilst being beheaded….

    The operator probably missed. The calf should not be getting up. Also, no abattoir in Australia would slaughter animals standing around like that. They're unrestrained, so operators waste time restraining animals, and carcasses aren't immediately hung to bleed. But that's not beheading, it's 'sticking.' After an animal is stunned, the major vessels in the neck or axilla are cut to quickly exsanguinate them. Ideally, they'd lose consciousness via blood deprivation to the brain before stun effect wears off, then die.

    It'd be awesome to get a farmers input, i'd like to know whether it's viable to sedate animals prior to captive bolt (i.e. via intramuscular benzo)

    Not a farmer, but this will never happen. For obvious reasons, you can't just hand benzos to farmers and abattoir workers; these are prescription drugs. Secondly, do you know just how much an adequate dosage of midazolam or valium would cost relative to carcass price? Lastly, withholding periods. You can't sell meat for human consumption if it's been recently drugged.

    • paraneoplastic on 01/07/2019 - 03:00

      Good point about the benzo's - didn't really think about that…

      and true, there's the question of whether there is enough cortical development at that age to discern what is occuring in forn of them and in terms of a human infant, you're right they wouldn't be able to process the info.

      Thanks for your input mate

  • elcheapo1 on 01/07/2019 - 01:52

    To all that think it is unethical to eat meat, do you also believe that it is unethical to have a pet?

    I see a lot of parallels in the reasoning of vegans for not eating meat applying to the owner ship of pets.

    • belongsinforums on 01/07/2019 - 06:19
      +3

      their counterpoint is often 'i love animals'. i love animals too. yummo

    • OZB Al on 01/07/2019 - 09:05

      I found this interesting: Is it OK to kill animals for food?

      PETA agree with you re pets but I've always found their arguments are not well founded.

      • [Deactivated] on 01/07/2019 - 11:16

        PETA is okay with "confiscation" (outright theft) of animals and abandoning it to die or simply shooting it within a day.

        Here's a list and the evidence

        It's like antifa for animals. By any means necessary, even if the means contradict the end.

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