Hey guys do you guys have any advice, tricks or interview/resume tips, into getting a company to hire you for casual jobs, tried and applied to hundreds of jobs but either get rejected or no reply
Rejected by Casual jobs
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Clothing, sales, not sure if they hire people base on whether existing employees know them.
Why don't you try other industries then? Or the retail stores, like Myer, DJ - they always need ppl during xmas - maybe wait till then if you wanted to get into clothing industries?
Just keep applying and bothering hiring managers at places you want to work. Plenty of places don't really have an organised system for job applications and the squeaky applicants will get the oil.
Might try that.
@[Deactivated]: And if you have a job network place, see if they will pay your insurance for work experience. If you walk into a shop and offer $1000 in free labour they might find that hard to say no to. only do that for places you really want to work for or who you really want to say you've worked for, shouldn't give away your time for free unless you get something out of it.
Clothing, sales, not sure if they hire people base on whether existing employees know them.
If it's a big multinational (H&M, Uniqlo, Zara), then no. Those places have their own hiring staff (head office, not store) who sort through CVs, and tend to hire a few times a year in large batches. The department/floor managers have zero input over who gets invited to a group interview.
It's not impossible to get hired without work history in that industry, but it heavily stacks the deck against you, because they'll be receiving CVs from applicants who've probably been working on-off since high school. Once you get invited to a group interview, it's your chance to sell yourself; but it's also where managers tend to hire based on looks or who they think they'll get along with, especially in fashion retail.
Is it more worth it to apply online or go in store and ask them
I'd try both. If the hiring manager picks up on your enthusiasm for getting the job, or they sympathise with you, they could do you a favour and consider the application.
There are more job applications online than in person, you can't really stick to only in store.Depends on the store size, if it is a big store they normally only take applications online. If it's smaller store going into the store is your best bet.
Missed the s at the end of hundred
I don't know why people are negging this, these days 100 applications, especially for entry level jobs like retail ain't much
What is your availability like? I feel like if you are applying for clothing and sales they often pick the person with the best availability (often 24/7).
Yeah I actually thought about that, I go to uni so available weekend and 2 weedays, maybe that’s the reason
Haha yep that's prob got something to do with it…
Lots of clothes retailers are happy to take employees for weekend work. My kids did it for years while at uni.
A couple of tips - make sure you're well dressed for the role when you go into the store.
Pick a day, dress up, print up a two-page CV with your photo on it and door knock the whole shopping centre, or suburb.
Avoid lunch time, as it's usually their busiest period.
Ask your friends at uni if they know of any work going.
When you walk in, smile, introduce yourself, and have a good reason for why you want to work in that industry, e.g. I'm really into fashion, like craft beer (for somewhere like BWS). You need to sell yourself, so that they are convinced that you can sell their products.
Good luck with your search.
What were their availability though?
What are you studying and at which Uni?
Mate, your availability is the same as hundreds of other applicants. Everyone is free to work on weekends. My suggestion: Apply for night shift jobs. Work night shifts on weekends and some weekdays. Sacrifice sleep for a few years while you are at uni. I reckon you will get hired quickly. Examples are hotel receptionists, call centres and 24 hour maccas. I did exactly that in my uni times, screwed my health in the process but recovered from it after graduating. You want the dough, give up your sleep. Who said this was going to be easy?
Having to sacrifice sleep doesn't stop after uni.
@Shiny Mew: @shiny mew Sure. It depends. I still don't sleep as much as I want but it's much much better than 10 pm to 7 am shifts I used to do then attend my classes from 8 am to 3 pm. Sleep was a luxury. I never took a break to travel. Visited my home country after 3 years. And so on. But I don't really regret all that. At least I know what I'm made of.
Besides, who doesn't like it receiving the cash at the end of the week?
Tell them you won't work weekends after they hire you. What's the worse they can do, un-hire you?
OP can't work most weekdays, not weekends.
And yes, they will simply give you no hours.
I have hired people, and then on the first or second week they tell me all these unavailability, so their hours drop to a small 2 hour shift or none. Shifts go to the staff that have the work ethic and the most availability.
What was your response though when they say they are not available?
@[Deactivated]: When they tell me, I'll just be like, okay I'll take it on board. And then roster accordingly.
Everyone is hired on a trial basis these days. You won't get past your first week if you say you can't work that weekend (after previously indicating you could).
So yes, you'll get fired. What's the point?!
I stipulate the expected rostered days in the employment contract. If the employee isn't able to maintain availability on the expected days, I'm not obligated to make alternative arrangements.
Yep, availability is your downfall.
Do you have retail experience? Maybe apply at places like Maccas and KFC if you don't.
Also, you need to be very well groomed and presented to work in retail, especially clothes shops - could that have been your problem?
At uni a better job is to be a high school tutor - can work in the afternoons or evenings when you don't have classes, way better pay rate, cash in hand.
Try your Uni Employment service,,,
Nah, tried that didn’t get a single response, although there may be something wrong with my resume
I'd be happy to look at your resume
Can you send me a message
Have you worked at all previously, or is this your first job?
What do you wear to interviews?
Have you had someone look over your resume? Do you include a cover letter to explain why you're suitable for that job?
Based on your replies here alone, either English isn't your first language or you have bad spelling/grammar.
These are actually some genuine questions OP should be responding to.
Yeah for whatever reason he isn't.
Can't be truly wanting help huh
shrug it doesn't affect my day if OP doesn't want advice…
Yeah I'm suss on the English ability too.
Especially if it's a job in retail, you need to be able to communicate with people.
Based on your replies here alone, either English isn't your first language or you have bad spelling/grammar.
…or cbf typing in/with perfect grammer and speling.
No its not that, there's clearly words jumbled/missing. And I didn't neg you btw
hahaha, they probably negged me for spelling grammer and speling wrong(Which was intentional…as a joke…)…oops just did it again😜…but i cbf fixing that up heh
Yeah first job, although I did volunteered at school(not sure if I mentioned this)
Shirt and jeans, a lot of other people did as well
Yeah explained what i am studying, how it relates to the job and linked it to the job description skills requirement(not sure if i’m Supposed to do that), what are my qualities(attention to details, outgoing)Few roles to consider which can be uni friendly:
Waitering
Functions
NightclubsThese roles can be taught quick, and are normally in high-demand.
Ideally you want a role with customer service, as this will be a key requirement for a career.
I'd maybe suggest on having a reason in there as to why you haven't had a job till now, and why you desire a job (apart from cash). You could be seen as flakey, someone who might not like to work or might not have enough availability. You need to get around this before the interview stage, give them a reason to call and talk to you.
From a hospitality hiring perspective we are usually looking for people with TAB or Gaming accreditation and experience. Excellent communication skills are also a must.
We usually have a stack of resume for pure bar/wait staff. Usually other staff can recommend a suitable candidate for that sort of position though. We often train existing staff into gaming and wagering roles. Though there is less motivation to do so for a uni student who may only be with us for a year or two.
If you are going in to apply to any sales position or retail you need to look sharp. Was your shirt tucked in and did you have a recent haircut and shave?
Shirt and jeans, a lot of other people did as well
Yep and I a lot of other people won't get jobs looking like that either. Or if they do it isn't because they are wearing shirt and jeans. I also hope you are wearing proper shoes and not sneakers.
Wow is like you were in the interview room, yes you are right I did wear sneakers, what do you mean by proper shoes
@[Deactivated]: your baseline for interviews that involve customer facing roles should be aiming at "smart casual" or above.
tried and applied to hundreds of jobs but either get rejected or no reply
Do you have a work history at all?
Your post screams someone with zero experience, hence why you are getting overlooked.
Yeah, not sure if Supermarket jobs need experience, although going to Macass seem point less since they don’t hire anyone above 18, why would they anyway when there is so many cheap labour of 10, 13, 14 labour under 18
Looks like you're paying the price for not working as a teenager
Yeah, not sure if Supermarket jobs need experience
Well you might think that, but in the real world when you're employing someone and you have someone who is 18+ years old with zero experience or someone with who has had a job before, then you go the one who has had a job before, they are less hassle.
Not sure why you think a Supermarket work needs no experience? Do you know how to pack a shelf? Oh you do? Did you do the stock rotation correctly while doing it? oh no didn't think so. How do you create a display box without damaging the product inside? Can you use the deli slicer? How about the Point of Sales system? Can you count change correctly? How about changing a roll in the printer?
There are lots of things to learn on the job even for ones that you need no 'experience' and when you employ a sub 18yo, they are cheap and you can spend the time to train them, but once you're 18+ you're no longer cheap.
Sorry but thats the way the world is.
Best advice I can give you, is look for some volunteer work, so you can get some experience and then you'll have better luck.
At the moment you're a 18+ year old with no work history, so you scream lots of time/hand holding.
although going to Macass seem point less
Correct, the 18+ year old workers are people who have 'worked' up the food chain or jumping ship from other food chains, so have experience in the industry.
Not sure why you think a Supermarket work needs no experience? Do you know how to pack a shelf? Oh you do? Did you do the stock rotation correctly while doing it? oh no didn't think so. How do you create a display box without damaging the product inside? Can you use the deli slicer? How about the Point of Sales system? Can you count change correctly? How about changing a roll in the printer?
Literally everyone needs to start somewhere, and that kind of knowledge can be taught in a single day. They are not difficult tasks to learn either. You also have another experienced person nearby to ask for help, or reminded how to do a particular task if you get stuck.
Supermarket needs no experience. I think you're the one talking out of your ass. My first job was in a supermarket stocking shelves and the manager gave us all 5 minutes of instructions and sent us on our way.
My first job was in a supermarket stocking shelves
and what was your age was? Supermarkets rarely hire 18+ people WITHOUT experience like the OP.
Literally everyone needs to start somewhere, and that kind of knowledge can be taught in a single day
Maybe if all the people who applied had no experience but as I said above
in the real world when you're employing someone and you have someone who is 18+ years old with zero experience or someone with who has had a job before, then you go the one who has had a job before, they are less hassle.
The OPs issue is they skipped working when young and to the sounds of it, have no real major skills to offer, Hence why they are getting passed over.
I think you're the one talking out of your ass
I think you've never hired anyone before.
as I said above
Best advice I can give you, is look for some volunteer work, so you can get some experience and then you'll have better luck.
OP needs to put in some 'free' hours to get experience at this stage of their life.
@JimmyF: I found work at Coles right out of highschool because I needed $ for PT to go to uni. So I put down on my CV that I had a highschool degree. They had no excuse to specifically ask for my age (and they didn't) but they could infer I was around 18.
I think you've never hired anyone before.
Sounds like you're saying you have? Every manager has their own personal beliefs and views on a potential employee, and consequently a list of criteria ranked in different order. So I'm not going to speculate or speak on behalf of everyone whether 18+ w/o experience or <18 w/o experience is any different.
OP needs to put in some 'free' hours to get experience at this stage of their life.
I think every professional can agree on that. If OP is reading this, a ton of volunteer work does wonders for someone's CV.
@[Deactivated]: I misspoke. I meant to say I put down I had graduated from HS.
I applied online, but if I were you, I'd do it in-store first. But stores may tell you to look online anyway, which translates to NO.
I was a manager at woolworths for 4 years.. almost every new employee we had, had no experience and everything was learn't on the job. The problem is people looked good on paper yet had a bad attitude to working.
The thing you can't teach or show said employee is work ethic. Being a hard worker is 90% of the job in my eyes. The rest can be taught.
Doesn't take a genius to do all the things you mentioned in your comment. Yet so many people are borderline useless because they don't care.
Doesn't take a genius to do all the things you mentioned in your comment. Yet so many people are borderline useless because they don't care.
No it doesn't, but when your 18+ years old with zero work experience for no reason at all (ie wasn't studying full time etc), what work ethic do you think they'll have?
They seem to hire people without experience, judging by how clueless I've seen them sometimes.
Either way, everyone has to get experience at some point.
I've heard they do internships, by the way.If you are willing to do nightshift, supermarkets will take you on.
To be honest. It isn't a bad gig during uni since you'll be a night owl studying/partying anyway.
Yep I worked nightfall during uni - was a pretty good gig. Well paid for what it was. No clash with uni classes.
because a lot of underage kids are in highschool. so their availability is even worse than yours. so still apply for maccas
Have a look at Dan Clay's stuff. I found his resume toolkit really useful.
A lot of time, recruiters can get put off by long resumes so a concise 1 page resume makes a world of difference. He's got a lot of tips and tricks on his website too.
recruiters can get put off by long resumes
OP said above they have zero experience, so I don't think its that ;)
Lack of job experience isn't too big of an issue. OP can include any participation in extra curricular activities, programs and volunteering e.g sport, music, dance etc and describe how the skills and attributes gained from those experiences make him worth employing. Otherwise, uni offers a range of extra curricular and volunteering programs that OP can participate in to develop those skills.
When I read resumes, I don't care that much if they have no experience, I do care though if you have had 10 jobs in 2 years.
But when I see all these sports and extra curricular activities listed on the resume, I'm just thinking, who cares, not relatable to this job at all. And if you list too many, I will start questioning your availability.
Now if you can put those activities in your cover letter and , like you said, describe how they can relate to qualities that the job needs, that's good. But don't put crap like, I played soccer and that shows I can work in a team, that's horseshit.
Problem is that I see all these resumes and no cover letters, cover letter is important, says you are actually taking time to show interest in this job, and not just someone else submitting a resume for Centrelink purposes.
@AdosHouse: To me, if no job by 19, I don't bother reading on.
They may have worked but rather not disclose - probably didn't work out well.
They have not worked a day - fat chance I'm willing to deal with someone's first job.
@[Deactivated]: I don't mind if they haven't had a job by 19 as long as they are studying something decent, like an engineering/medical/etc degree.
@WhyAmICommenting: of my bartenders I have a paramedic, chemical engineering, computer science, economics and psychology students.
@Antikythera: Tell me, can you not read the handwriting of any of them either, LOL. One of the staff doing civil engineering was a really smart cookie, but for the life of me I couldn't read his handwriting. It was like a linguistics adventure trying to decipher it.
@WhyAmICommenting: It's not high standards, it's looking for a reason as to why they cannot have a casual job and study at the same time.
I've had some staff that are doing engineering degrees, and another doing a vet degree (whatever it's called), and I can see they are really pushed by the work load from uni and working casually too, so I'll talk to them and see what they want to do.
But someone doing a degree that is easier, or just a TAFE course, or no further education at all, there is no reason they are 20yo and have no job.
@[Deactivated]: Same for me, I was doing up to 35 hours week with full time Uni. But I understand some courses might benefit from very little of no work, at least until you adjust, and if your family or other means can afford to support you for a bit, well I won't judge.
But when I see all these sports and extra curricular activities listed on the resume, I'm just thinking, who cares, not relatable to this job at all. And if you list too many, I will start questioning your availability.
Depends on the job. If there's a fair amount of sports involved, perhaps it might tell the employer that the job seeker is capable of handling the physical demands of the job. Doing extra-curricular activities shows that the job seeker is willing to try different things and may be more flexible in the work environment.
I think that any sports and extra-curricular activities listed on a resume provides a relatively good idea of what job seeker might be like and hence isn't useless. It does not replace volunteer or job experience but including such info is helpful if they have no experience and is attempting to land their first job.
A lot of jobs ads don't require a cover letter. Even in high school and uni, the emphasis is on the resume/CV and the cover letter is often disregarded as we're taught that recruiters do not read it. The media also portrays the cover letter as archaic and unnecessary.
@fossilfuel: To a degree I agree with you. List 2 or 3 extra-curricular activities. I have had plenty of resumes where they list like 10.
I personally like a cover letter, it tells me that the person applying is willing to take that extra 5 minutes to type one up. Especially in hospitality, a large number of resumes handed in are for people that have no intention of working there, they are simply handing out the X number of resumes that Centrelink requires.
I'm not looking for a professional style cover letter, just a few small paragraphs on why you are better than the next resume handed to me.
List 2 or 3 extra-curricular activities. I have had plenty of resumes where they list like 10.
That's pretty overkill. That'll definitely tell you they're probably more committed to extra-curricular activities than work.
I personally like a cover letter, it tells me that the person applying is willing to take that extra 5 minutes to type one up. Especially in hospitality, a large number of resumes handed in are for people that have no intention of working there, they are simply handing out the X number of resumes that Centrelink requires.
I agree. I think more recruiters should consider cover letters as a significant part of the application. So often it gets disregarded. Many job seekers don't both applying if the job requires a cover letter due to the effort needed to write one. However, like you said, if they want the job, then the job seeker should be more than happy to write one.
Have you tried applied at all of the major retailers, they usually have a website just for them, such as Woolworths / coles. I have found the larger the retailer the more likely they don’t mind if you can’t work all the time.
Are there actually any jobs out there?
Computers and automation are removing large numbers of people from the workforce while the mass delusion of the meritocracy tells everybody it's the unemployed person's fault in some way.
Customer-facing service jobs like hospo and retail, i.e. what the OP's actually asking after, are actually the hardest jobs to automate.
…not really, just get a machine that has all the possible responses of all the possible questions that would be asked in all the possible situations that usually occurs in a specific time frame… easy done. And this how we got answering machines or auto-pickers where we input your answers or say a phrase through the phone to get our answer….
OP isn't looking at a call centre. A machine still cannot wait tables, man a fitting room, or stock racks. Jobs that require manual dexterity, i.e. service and trades, are the most resistant to automation. It's the repetitious jobs with minimal physical input that are most replicable by AI, like truck driving and accounting, which are next to go.
A machine still cannot wait tables, man a fitting room, or stock racks. Jobs that require manual dexterity, i.e. service and trades, are the most resistant to automation.
Unless I'm wrong, those are possible, once we find(Unless it's already found but no can be arsed/smart enough to make it? hence all these sci fi movies I've been watching aren't fake at all now and are very much real…) a way to program ai to be this advance that it thinks for itself and thus can manage to wait till the customers pick their order, without them pressing a button that basically says "I'm done picking, here's my order" and proceeds to shove the clipboard inside the machine which reads the clipboard and says ok, we got info and will leave and come back with your order?
Isn't this what Cortana, Siri, Alexa and whatever it's called for android users, accomplishes or at least heading towards?
I bet a machine can probably cook too and deliver perfect dishes, since it would be able to read the ingredient amounts, follow instructions and procedures to the T since their machine and unlike us humans who make errors or mistakes, machines NEVER ever make an error unless the error is the result of an error in their programming which we humans program them to do……………………………
I bet a machine can probably cook too and deliver perfect dishes
eggbot is real!!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nmb1UYF3B2calso #YangGang 2020
… hospo and retail…
hardestleast likely jobs to automate.They're actually very easy to automate - Online shopping and delivery services. They may not be direct replacement but they've had a very significant impact on the industry.
No one is making an effort to replace wait staff and shop assistants because these jobs are meant to be low paying and staff are replaceable.
Ps. A single a food deliverer will reduce the demand for eatery tables by dozens if not hundreds. Online shops' impact on brick and mortar is self evident.
unmanned stores is starting to be a thing (few years back now)
lol is that a troll post?
mass delusion of the meritocracy…
It's not a delusion if it's true. You'd still get employed if there's merit to the employment. If there's more merit to buying a robot, then a robot is used.
The delusion is thinking there's merit to every human life. There isn't. Some lives are lived out as absolute resource drains with nothing to contribute.
it's the unemployed person's fault in some way.
I don't think anyone thinks that. Hence why we have disability pensions. Patently false statement.
Start volunteering, it counts same as paid employment experience when you go for jobs. Your availability is a big thing for employers too, maybe bigger than you imagine.
Volunteering really helps. Shows you have an incentive to work, and to help others.
Better yet you'll work for free!
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What industry?