Twins Coming Soon. Best Way to Save?

Gday

My wife is pregnant with identical twin boys. It's our first and hopefully last set of kids. Due October
The buying stuff begins.

Any advice on top tips for prams/car seats/etc?

We have a Mitsubishi Pajero and a Toyota Prius C.

We've been to two baby shops and think the … Expensive iCandy orange is the one for us because both kids can be carried at the same time while still allowing easy access to the storage pouch at the bottom and they're laid out in a row versus side by side, so we will fit though doors. I'm looking to buy it second hand however not many on sale as it's a new model.

Cot wise I'm thinking second hand ones too with a good clean on the mattress or maybe a second hand frame only with a new mattress.

Car baby seats … Grrr! So expensive. Will probably get two to begin while wife of mat leave and then an additional two later. Friends that have kids still need their baby seats. Pajero isofix mounts are stupid as two baby seats allow zero adults on the second row so I'll have to seatbelt them.
I'm thinking no baby capsule seat. Just the reversible front/rear facing 0-4 months ones.

Clothes - I'm hoping from some hand-me-downs from friends and a batch order from AliExpress. Any thoughts on this?

Nappies: shall I go disposable or washable and save the environment?

Any and all advice is welcome.
Cheerio

Nb: I notice the baby stores don't have discounted gift cards or cash back boo.

Comments

    • Cot - Useless but that's because we found it easier to co sleep. Ended up being a clothes rack of sorts.

      Keep the cot next to the bed. Do not co sleep as it is a massive SIDS risk. You don't need a cot for long, so the sturdy basic Kmart or Target ones will do just fine. Or borrow from a friend.

  • +1

    Congratulations on the kids and all best wishes for the future.

    Whatever you buy make sure you do the research and look for safety issues and recalls. Make sure you can assemble, disassemble as needed, realising you will also be trying to keep two toddlers in check. Have a really good look, and feel, for sharp edges, damaged goods, etc. There are horror stories out there on deaths/injuries due to poorly designed, maintained stuff.

    Some councils have baby seat hiring facilities and there are things like toy libraries around. DFOs might be worth a look but also Op shops. Make sure everything is washable.

    • Thank you.
      My local council doesn't seem to have baby seat hiring. I had a quick check on their website. Boo.

      • Might be worth contacting the council to see if they have an arrangement with another one.

        https://www.amba.org.au/

        Might be worth looking at this site, as well.

        • Cheerio.
          I called the council.

          The only thing our council gets is … "a free safety check every 3 months to make sure I can fit a baby seat in the car properly".
          Not even a toy library. :(

          Boo.

  • +2

    We just had non identical twins (A boy and a girl). With twins, your main expense will be nappies, so make sure that you stock up enough when they are on special. Same goes with baby wipes.

    Cot - no need to rush. They can co sleep in single cot for first few months till they start roll overs.
    Pram - We bought iCandy Peach 2017. It was cheaper than iCandy orange. We didnt get bassinets with pram.
    Monitor : We are using just single monitor for both as they are sleeping in same room.

    It will be good to create a baby registry and put all the essentials.

    • No bassinets. Tell me more.
      The salesperson said meh at bassinets. Googling says omg theyll die without!
      How did you go without them? Can they lie horizontal enough? Do their legs fall over to their face? Or do you just not buckle them up and move them away from the foot rest area?

      Missus likes the orange because easier access to storage below and the kids seem to be spaced a bit further apart.

      I also was thinking one cot to begin with.

      • Sales rep at Baby & Toddler town was having twins. She said you need bassinets only if you taking kids out everyday and dnt need when they start holding their neck. iCandy reclines a fair way and is almost flat. Our babies are now 2 months and we have started putting them in pram since they were 1 month old without any issues. They lie horizontal as seats are almost flat and no issue with their legs.

        I missed to buy in last baby show as they were having almost 15-20% discount that time. If you are attending one, try to put dummy baby in the pram without bassinet and see how it goes.

        Apart from iCandy, I have heard good things about Redsbaby double pram as well.

        It will be good to check few posts in essentialbaby forum where parents share tips and reviews about different baby products.

        • That's a juicy discount!
          Do you think two fit in one basinet?
          When lying almost flat in the seat do you buckle them up?

          Do the shows have dummy babies to try stuff with them or do I have to bring my own

          Avoiding a basinet makes things cheaper.

          • @FoxJump: You don't need a bassinet and will not fit 2 in one safely.

            However a bassinet can be useful where you want to position them anywhere other than their room sleeping but with 2 its likely to be pain.

            Stick with the cot only

  • +2

    Aldi baby wipes. You'll be needing a lot of these so it helps they're cheap.

    • Thank you.

      • +1

        Aldi nappy bags too for throwing the dirty ones into - if you go down the disposable path. Only on sale on baby weeks, where as the wipes are everyday.

        • Ack

    • Nonono. Costco. Kirland baby wipes.

      Huggies wipes are a very distant second. Everything else and you are spending more time than you or baby are comfortable with cleaning up stuff that the Kirklands would get in a single wipe.

      Our 3 are all out of nappies now, and we still buy the Kirkland wipes for cleaning everything in the house. Saves hours every week. Nothing else comes close.

      • I've tried all three and I still go with Aldi. Each to their own I guess :)

  • +2

    Everyone is being so helpful. Thanks
    Tonight I needs to put everything in one big OneNote so that I can keep track and spend wisely.

  • Not much love for the cloth nappies on here. We used modern cloth nappies and they are great. Modern cloth-style are almost as easy as disposables (no mucking around with folding terry-toweling and pinning like our parent's generation). Don't get me wrong-lots of washing required, but MUCH cheaper in the long run and much better for the environment. We spent about $250 on a bulk lot of second-handers and they've been great.

    In the early months you'll be using 10-20 nappies per baby per DAY. With twins, even if you get nappies on mega-special at 15c each that's $3-$6/day for nappies alone. We saved what we spent on the cloth nappies in the first three months, and they're still going strong three years and one additional kid later. You can figure out how many you need based on how often you want to do a washing load. For twins I'd recommend starting with 30-40 (see estimates above) and having additional disposable nappies just in case. We use disposables overnight and if we're going out.

    You can get modern cloth nappies from sellers like bitti tutto or similar, and people are always selling them in bulk second-hand as their own kids grow up.

    I'd also recommend buying a washing line octopus thing like this - https://www.ikea.com/au/en/catalog/products/50421215/ as it makes the drying a lot easier.

    good luck!

    • Thank you. I was about to ask the nappy consumption rate. Your answer answered that.

      With cloth nappies can I tumble dry them?
      I assume that with cloth nappies I first hose off any shits over the garden to get some free fertilizer and then put them in the wash is that right?

      • +1

        Yes you can tumble dry them.
        I still use our old cloth nappies to dry the car.

        Personally, I wouldn't get hung up on the environmental thing. We used both types and as a whole of life thing I don't think there's much in it.

        Cloth:
        Manufacture of cotton / farmers / irrigation / chemicals / transport / country of origin
        Cleaning detergent / chemicals / water / effluent / power (coal fired?) / wear and tear on washing machine (plus manufacture & disposal of machine)
        Dryer (if used). Wear and tear / electricity / manufacture.

        Disposeable nappies: manufacture / transport / landfill / etc

        Do whatever is easiest depending on the day and how busy you are. Some days you'll be so busy you won't have time to get dressed so don't stress about whether you'll affect landfill in 10 years if your immediate problem is now.

        Just do your best.

        • Cheers. Noted

        • +1

          I don't think there's much in it

          That's not how science works ;)

          https://www.darlingsdownunder.com.au/environment-impact-clot…

          Very brief summary: re-usable is much better.
          (Although I don't see mention of wear on the machine, not sure if that's a problem or not - e.g. if the machines usually fail from calendar aging rather than cyclic)

          I get what you're saying about not beating yourself up doing what you gotta do, but IMO it's good for people to make some efforts to reduce their impact :)

          • +1

            @abb: As a 2 adult household we used the washing machine 2x/week. With cloth nappies and other baby gear it went to 9x/week. The machine will wear out faster.
            I forgot to mention the increased water use from both a cost perspective and using a precious resource.

            My personal view is that you inform yourself, make your own decision and don't criticise other parents for the choices they are making.

            The link. I'm thinking a company that sells alternatives to disposables isn't entirely impartial?

            • @brad1-8tsi:

              The machine will wear out faster.

              Again, while it seems intuitive and is likely to be true to an extent, it's not necessarily the case (e.g. maybe they die after 7 years due to a plastic inlet pipe becoming brittle regardless of usage pattern). I am not an expert in washing machine failure modes, so I mentioned it as a possibility. Lots of people upgrade before failure anyway.

              Water usage is discussed, it's pretty close, re-usable uses a bit more if you're using a top load machine.

              Didn't realise it was a sales website, my bad. First search result… Their summary of the study appears accurate from a quick glance though.

              LIFE CYCLE ASSESSMENT: REUSABLE AND DISPOSABLE NAPPIES IN AUSTRALIA
              Kate O’Brien, Rachel Olive, Yu-Chieh Hsu, Luke Morris, Richard Bell and Nick Kendall
              Environmental Engineering, School of Engineering, The University of Queensland, Brisbane

              https://pdfs.semanticscholar.org/b062/e7ae6289cdb4ea8998f6fe…

  • Sky is the limit with baby stuff.

    Ikea cots we found were good, other baby stuff is great like high chairs and toys.

    Baby car seats, can rent turn out slightly cheaper.

    Pram, basinnet was a waste of money for us. babies need to see you, if they dont see you they lose it.

    Bottles, nappies, stock up and find on sale now.

    Formula trial and error but we found the Aldi formula the best. Their wipes are great too.

    • +1

      I'll look into car seat rental. Good idea.

      Are babies face recognition abilities better than iPhones? Or can I put a cardboard cutout of my face if they're facing away.

      Good top tip on the facing you bit. I gotta check if both can face the pusher in the iCandy.

      Formula .. hopefully they don't like the one that everyone fights for

      • +2

        Cutout works apparently to a certain age. I didn't try with mine. I just talked to her about random crap even before she was 6 months, she found me reading specs for a wireless router at JBhifi the most hilarious thing ever.

        A2 is the one people fight for. Asians largely lactose intolerant and A2 is lactose free, hence the huge demand. There other brands of lactose free formula on the market. If your kids are not lactose intolerant nothing to worry about. A2 is $35 a can, Aldi is $12 a can, Aldi formula is made in NZ and is good stuff. My daughter didn't like the more expense stuff, A2 made her constipated, so bad that we had to take her to hospital. Formula is going to be huge trial and error.

        • +1

          Reading random crap. Interesting!.
          Thanks for the explanasian on A2. I'll let them try the cheap stuff first to see what I can get away with.

          • @FoxJump: Cheap doesnt mean worse. It had less sugar and tasted better than the mlre expensive brand stuff. I tasted it, I can see why she didnt like Nestle stuff LOL

            • +2

              @Bid Sniper: I see what you mean.
              I prefer lipton ice tea light, because of it being less sweet.

              but then again, I also delight myself in eating a lime by itself occasionally.

    • I had a look at baby car seat rentals.
      I can see there's some value in renting capsules but one place it looked like $70 a month for each.
      I think I can get away with the 0-4yr capsules that retail from shops starting at $300. Kmart has one for $150 - i'll have to go check it out physically.

      The salespeople point me to the $500 ones with the honeycomb thingo for side impacts and I think to myself - that's what curtain airbags are for!.

      • My missus was particular about that so I had no say. They grow quick so you will be changing every few months.

        More important sort out extra help, mlre people the better. Your going to need it with twins. One was bad enough cant imagine two. Its the hardest thing you will do. My PhD wsd a cakewalk in comparison.

        • Haha at the PHD reference.
          I only have a Bachelors degree. I'm doomed!

          • @FoxJump: No seriously. You guys are headed for a major traumatic life event. Seriously , muster all the help. You are going to need it. You bith will have a meltdown end of week 1

          • +1

            @FoxJump:

            You guys are headed for a major traumatic life event.

            It's like jumping off a cliff. The scariest part is the moment before you take the jump.Once the babies are here , you'll find a way to make it work. Your paternal and survival instincts will kick in. You'll be just fine, although you might end up losing a few friends. Totally worth it, though.

            We have a 3rd child now. He's way harder than the twins ever was. He's very social and like having other kids around. So it's constant playdates, going to the park,birthday parties, doing activities to keep him entertained. It's so tiring whereas the twins had each other to talk to, to play with, for comfort , for giggles..etc and didn't need us ( or to be around other kids)as much once they become toddlers.

  • +3

    don't go buying lots of clothes, as you will get presents from family and friends AND the babies grow out of their clothes so quickly. Heaps of baby clothes in OP Shops if you need any at any time later.

    • Okay. Thanks. So … no need to bulk order from Aliexpress then.
      I'll have to visit the local st vinnies.

    • This. Since babies grow big so fast, you'll probably end up giving the clothes to the next friends/family members who are expecting anyway. At least that's what happened with us.

  • 1) kmart cloths are very cheap instead of second hand and babies outgrow them very fast anyways so even if the cloths are good for couple of months, thats fine
    2) cot , mattress,car seat , pram etc can be bought second hand
    3) Aldi formula power is 65%cheaper than named brand one's and we had no issue using aldi ones. Also, aldi branded nappies are fine for the use.

    congrats by the way.

    • Thank you for the vote of confidence for Aldi nappies and formula.
      I have certainly known kmart to be cheaper and better than ebay stuff for many things. I did not know it extended to clothes. Cheers

    • Aldi nappy is quite good. Don't need to buy Huggies unless it's the only brand your babies can use.

      • Okiedokie

        • +1

          One thing we found was we use Aldi nappies 90% of the time and they are great, but huggies do hold better once they start sleeping longer at night and aren’t getting changed as often. So we tend to put a huggie on at the start of the night. Have an almost 3 yr old and a 8 month old.

          • @rodb: +1 for aldi in day and huggies at night. Have experience the poonami blow out too many times with aldi

  • +1

    Buy nearly everything second. Lots of parents selling near new "Baby bunting" priced gear for peanuts.

    Nappies: shall I go disposable or washable and save the environment?

    You'll go insane washing these. Just buy disposable. Huggies cost a tad more but they are (imho) far better and less accidents.

    • :(

    • Huggies cost a tad more but they are (imho) far better and less accidents.

      Our experience with both our boys was the opposite, so goes to show all kids are different. You may need to try a few different brands.

      • ^^agree, try and test to see what bubz can use both for leaks & redness

        those baby shows are good for samples
        you can also just hit up the company website for samples

        most companies do offer if you either fill in some form or ring up

        also chemists have new parent pack which has good knick knacks to try as well

        • Nice!
          I was wondering how I was going to try out multiple brands. And there we have it. Samples!

  • Congrats buddy!

    We're still using Aldi rocking chair to feed our girl.

    At the PBC expos just load up on free woollies nappies and samples. They also have a "bubba blue" stand that does standard 50% cot sheets, towels and wraps.

    Get Mrs FoxJump one of them baby-feeding-pillows and some nipple ointment because she's gonna be a feeding machine.

    • Yay free nappies and samples! I'm glad they have them.
      So bubba blue has 50% off cot sheets, towels and wrap? Nice.
      Baby feeding pillows? How do they differ from normal kmart pillows? Could I use multiple kmart pillows instead?

      • Could I use multiple kmart pillows instead?

        Yep, that's what we're doing.

        • sweet

  • +1

    congratulations - i'm also expecting my 1st later this year and thanks for this thread - lots to learn!

    • +1

      yes, it is becoming a very useful thread.

    • +1 😀
      Thanks for initiating this FoxJump

  • Pram - used
    Cot - used or new, depends on bite marks etc on the used one
    Car seats - new
    Clothes - hand me down, or kmart. Kmart is awesome for cheap clothes that still look decent
    Baby monitor - I'd recommend a dedicated one rather than a phone app based one. Nothing more annoying than constantly loading the app up to check. But a used video monitor (video so much better than audio).

    Congrats and good luck :)

    • So you find the baby monitor useful?
      Do you think walkie-talkies that get activated based on audio (so, handsfree, commonly known as the VOX feature) would do? They also have a mode whereby they only transmit and receive not just per-channel but on a 'code' which is "hard to guess"

      • +2

        Dont use the walkie talkies one, if you get one please get the video one as you will being awaken by the noise but you have no vision in the middle of the night, it just get you more frustrate and end up walking to their room and see what happened.

        When my baby cry in the middle of night, I will peek into the camera and see if he is vomiting or sitting up, if he is crying with closed eye i will leave it.

        • I see.
          Thank you.
          I'll re-use my NUC PC and cheapie USB webcams that I already have to prepare a monitoring system.
          Actually, I also have the LIFX lights already.

          I have some time.

          • @FoxJump: Actually - if I can setup skype to auto answer- I just call myself (or a related skype account) to see and hear and talk to them.

          • @FoxJump: So you need to turn on the PC during the night?

            The energy consume over few years may outright the saving.

            My camera Had VOX and only cost $60 from ebay imported from China.

            So I think $60 is well spend.

            • @SnoozeAndLose: Hmm
              True.
              Maybe a gumtree monitor is better. Thanks

              • @FoxJump: Yeah look on gumtree for cheap video monitors.

              • +1

                @FoxJump: Yeah that's all you need, but a dedicated one is much better and very handy for not going to check on baby when they're perfectly fine.

                Will help alleviate stress on you and your partner, as you're not putting your head in the door to check up on them all the time.

                • +1

                  @spackbace: Yeah, i'll gumtree one after I realise I need one as per the "Don't buy everything upfront as you may not end up using it advice.

      • Oh, 1 more - Being Dad DVD
        Buy it, watch both :) Very good doco based around the Dad's view of what to expect

        http://beingdad.vhx.tv/
        US$6.95 each to rent for 3 days (or you can buy the dvds)

        • :O
          Well, there's movie night sorted.

          • @FoxJump: I watched it before our first. Was really helpful at the time as being a dad you just don't know what to expect. But that went through it well in a very Aussie way

  • It's a bit crazy seeing parents fill trolleys with plastic junk toys at Christmas or for birthdays. I think the children will be better off with a couple of well chosen toys and investing time into reading library books or playing with a simple ball etc.

    • +2

      When I was a kid, I would have most certainly preferred a toy versus socks.
      As an adult though, take that sock!

      A friend came over once with their kids and he commented how happy they would be playing with a box and fancy toys aren't needed.
      I had some spare boxes.

      They LOVED IT.
      So I shall get more boxes.

      • +1

        Sadly it doesn't work that way. They play more with stuff at someone else's house. My boys hardly touch boxes when I leave them around.

      • Join your local toy library once baby is a bit bigger (6 months or so?). Then you can have an endless supply of new toys to entertain them without buying them all!

        • Nice!

    • My nieces and nephews genuinely get sick of unwrapping presents on xmas day - and you have to remind them that there are still more waiting under the tree.

      Don't buy your kids lots and lots of shit, you're just setting yourself and your kids up for a life of clutter.

      • Lol.
        Thanks for the advice.

  • +1

    Name one of them Josh and name the other Joshua.
    Technically you didn't break any laws, but now your kids can use the same ID to double-up on things.
    Basically you can buy something/subscription under the name of Joshua, and when Josh uses it, they won't even know what happened. The olde switcheroo. Getting things for half-price for their entire lives, that's gotta be useful for you.

    Its even better if they're identical twins, and are born on the same day.

    • Haha. We haven't picked names yet. They are identical twins and I hopefully they are born away from midnight so that they don't straddle different days.

    • +1

      this works initially but when the time comes to apply for loans, let's hope one has a good credit rating

      • It's probably a good idea that when both have a job, they submit the same Bank Account. You'll get taxed higher, but will offset this by the other (smaller account) getting Centrelink benefits.

        On top of that, the large bank account will benefit from having access to bigger/better loans.

        This is on top of the many 50% discounts they will receive. I mean you owe it to them to at least discuss this strategy with the missus ;)

        • Hehe

  • +1

    OP have you considered letting wolves raise your children?

    • +2

      one of the names of the tentative list is "Wolf"
      So … yeah maybe i'm bad with names.

  • -1

    Best way to save

    Don't have kids

    END

    • +2

      True.
      Best way to save the planet too.

  • +1

    It's threads like these that make me happy that I'm single and without kids :p

    In saying that, congratulations :)

    • Yep.
      Thanks

  • My advice is, don't rush buying stuffs for your twin.

    Me and my wife were also expecting twin, but we lost our twin on our 5th months due to TTTS, which is quite common for twins (roughly 15%)

    • Crikey.
      Sorry to hear. 15% is pretty high odds.

    • Sorry to hear :( All the best with the pregnancy.

  • Join your local Facebook good karma network. Lots of people giving away baby items they no longer need.

    I made the mistake of buying everything new for the first kid and one of everything - half the stuff was never used.

    Also agree on Aldi nappies and formula. I tried MCN and loved it but you really have to be committed to make it work. Second kid and Aldi nappies were so much easier.

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