Phonebot Sold Me a Blocked (Possibly Stolen) Phone

Hello everyone

I bought an Unlocked Note 8 from Phonebot St. Kilda in January and it came with a 6 months warranty. The phone was working just fine until today. Now the phone does not connect to mobile network, it says "Phone not allowed for voice" and if I try to make a phone call, it would say "Not registered on network". I tried to take the SIM out and insert it back again and it didn't work. I tried to factory reset the phone and it didn't work. I entered safe mode and it still did not work. The problem is not with the SIM because it works fine with my another phone.

I am thinking that Phonebot may gave me a faulty phone or a locked phone. What do you think?
I will take it to the store to let them have a look at it. Should I expect a repair from them or should I ask them for a replacement? I think I will ask for a replacement if it's found out that the phone is locked.

Please let me know what you think. It would be very appreciated.

Thanks heaps everyone!

Update 1: after checking on http://www.lost.amta.org.au/IMEI, now I can confirm that the phone is blocked by Optus. The website says “the IMEI number is currently blocked by Optus since 1 Jan 2019” so that means it was blocked even before I purchased the phone. It’s weird that I could still use the phone for 2 months.

Update 2:
I finally came to the store in St. Kilda today and I managed to get my money back.
So the phone was reported as lost/stolen and was blocked by Optus on 1 Jan 2019. This information was confirmed by Optus.
The sale of the phone to me was made on 23 Jan 2019. That means at the time of sale, the phone is considered as a stolen property. Consumer Affairs Victoria website says that I would be entitled for either a replacement or a refund if the problem is major. Consumer Affairs Victoria defines major problem as “There is a major problem if a reasonable consumer would not have bought the product if they known beforehand that there would be no clear title.”. So if I was aware that the phone was reported as stolen then I would not buy it in the first place. Therefore I am entitled for a refund which is what I came for.
I went to the store and the gentleman (I believe to be the manager) turned up his tone after every single sentence. I was telling him that the phone may be stolen because the person who sold the phone to them was doing the insurance fraud. The gentleman said that he got the phone from his supplier and they purchase 10 20 devices at one go. That means the supplier probably has a problem regards the legitimate of their stocks. He offered me a replacement phone but I ask for a refund instead. He said that I had used his phone for 2 months and now I cannot ask him for a refund. He said they provide warranty and the warranty says to give refund only in the first month of purchase. However I don’t think that the warranty was designed for stolen items so I still ask for my money back. I mentioned Consumer Affairs and all of the sudden he agreed to give me the refund but I wouldn’t say that it was smooth.
That’s everything. Hope everyone will never experience what I have experienced. And be careful.
Cheers

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  • +2

    January
    6 months warranty

    It's 31st March. You're covered and it's up to them to repair/replace.

    • Thank you

      • If they can repair it quickly/cheaply, they probably will try that first. If not, you should get a replacement.

        • I would say it's probably more than 50% that the phone is faulty. Tried Optus, Vodafone, Telstra, Lebra, Amaysim. None of them work.

  • +4

    Enter the IMEI at http://www.lost.amta.org.au/IMEI to see if it is carrier blocked.

    • It says the IMEI is currently blocked by Optus since 01 Jan 2019.
      So this means they sold a LOCKED device to me but claimed it to be an UNLOCKED device.
      Also I am with Optus and had been using the phone just fine. Only today when it started to reject any sims.

    • Oops my bad. That doesn’t mean it’s a locked phone. What does that mean if it says “the IMEI is currently blocked by Optus”?

      • As in someone has reported it stolen and the carrier has put a block on the phone - so it can never be used on any network.

        • I think it was reported as stolen.

      • Yep, this sounds like the phone was reported as stolen. If Phonebot is honest they would replace it for you.

  • +1

    Please let me know what you think.

    That you should go talk to Phonebot St. Kilda

    • I definitely will

  • From my experiences - the carriers don't always update the blocked database in a timely fashion (or perhaps enforce it).

    Also what can happen is that carriers don't report IMEI's for blocking in a timely fashion either…

    • Yeah. They don’t usually block them as soon as they’re aware of the situation I reckon

  • And if they don't want to replace it or even talk about it, tell them you will take the phone, the receipt and the IMEI block report to thew police station and inform the police that you were sold possibly stolen goods.

    • That’s exactly what I am gonna do, except that I would ask for my money back as I would not trust them again. I would never know if the replacement phone is just another stolen good.

      • +1

        Lol. I wouldn't do that, you'll most likely lose the phone and then it will be extremely difficult and time consuming to get your money back.
        (i.e. Police deal with criminal matters not civil cases.)

        • I believe selling stolen properties are considered criminal matters

          • @trantonz: Exactly. They don't care about recouping your money. That is a CIVIL matter.
            You'll have to hand the phone in if you believe it is stolen.
            If they are found at fault, then goodbye phone and it's up to you to pursue a refund.

  • +2

    Hi OP
    Would you mind sharing your experience, once you discuss this with Phonebot and how they go about fixing your problem.

    There's been quite a lot of deals coming from them. Would be good for community to know on how they deal with warranty issues.

    • +1

      I will for sure. Cheers

      • Been 7 hours, any joy?

        • I’ve updated the post.

          • +2

            @trantonz: Great news, I'm glad you got your money back and resolved even though was a major pain. I would strongly recommend spending a bit more on the next one from a reputable place to get peace of mind satisfaction. Preferably buy brand new if possible. Good luck.

            • +1

              @Hybroid: Thank you. I’ve learned a lesson I reckon

              • +2

                @trantonz: Thanks for the update. I expected a smoother transaction for a refund. I always look out for after sales/warranty support, as that is more important to me. 99% of the sales go smoothly, but not the same for after sales support.

                • +1

                  @bargain crazy: That's right. It's really a gamble when it comes to after sale support.

  • Not sure if you saw my comments in regards to the issues of my phone. Just bring the phone back to their store and get a refund or replacement. I managed to get a refund. :)

    • Yes. I’ve got my money back

  • +7

    Hi trantonz
    Hope your doing well. We could have resolved this directly if you would have contacted us first :)
    Anyway you can bring it back for a replacement. Our refurbished handsets are either customer upgrades or come from the carrier directly and can be marked as lost/stolen either by mistake or a customer being dishonest and claiming insurance on it after the trade in. You dont need to worry, kindly back it up and erase the device before bringing it in to our stkilda store and we will replace it straight away. This is a very rare scenario and doesnt happen often so rest assured the replacement device wont have this issue

    if you have any questions you can email us on [email protected] or msg/pm me here. cheers

    • I would have contacted you first only if you were contactable on the sunday afternoon when I was in the middle of nowhere and my phone rejected to connect to the mobile network. I posted this thread only to ask what is considered to be reasonable to do in this situation.
      Anyways I managed to get a full refund.
      Thanks for your time.

  • +1

    Don't understand why shops (like this one) feel that customer has an obligation to contact them first before consulting with anyone else (on Internet forum or otherwise) on what to do with the situation and get "offended" / act like the customer is is at fault when they don't.

    This sort of attitude would definitely make me run in the opposite direction.

    • +1

      I suppose when it's a small business they panic about bad publicity.

      • +1

        I can understand the psychology (no one wants bad publicity - big or small businesses alike) but it's this entitled attitude that really pisses me off. Who do they think they are for telling a customer who they can or can't talk to?

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