Is the name of this site a burden?

magic8ballgag on 31/03/2019 - 10:52
Last edited 31/03/2019 - 10:53

I've seen this increasingly become an issue and a topic of discussion. There are consistently members using the name of this site as a sort of justification for their perfect idea of a good deal.

Let's review the dictionary meaning of a bargain:

  • a thing bought or offered for sale much more cheaply than is usual or expected.
    "the table was a real bargain"
    synonyms: good buy, cheap buy; More

Scenario: a deal is submitted, another user doesn't think said item/product/service etc. is a good deal for whatever reasons, be it personal or affordability, proceeds to question whether it is actually a bargain or not.

It seems like when something is only 10%, 20%, or even 30% off it's original RRP, it's still not good enough or considered a bargain to some members. They want it to be at least half price, or then some, for it to be worthy of a submission.

I joined this site because I wanted to be informed of good deals, whether it's been cheaper before or not doesn't really matter to me because I'm more than capable of doing research and deciding if something is worthy of a purchase or not.

So even if they only save me a couple of bucks, not everything has to be the cheapest it's ever been.

We are slowly becoming too entitled as a country, and some of the comments on this site and people behind them are a perfect example of that.

This has been something that's been on my mind a lot lately when viewing the site, and I can't help but think it will only get worse.

Rant over.

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  • [Deactivated] on 31/03/2019 - 10:54
    +10

    Yes

    Site should be renamed ozslightlybelowrrp.org.au

    All posts should be anonymous to prevent sheep like activity.

  • askme69 on 31/03/2019 - 10:57
    -2

    Far too many 10-20% off ransom crap is poated nowadays.

    Very few real bargains ie: 50% ofg etc.

    Everyday i walk around the supermarket, i see 50% of but do i post it, NO.

    • altomic on 31/03/2019 - 11:00
      +28

      Well, you have never posted a deal in the 6 years you have been a member…..so no you don't.

      • [Deactivated] on 31/03/2019 - 11:03
        +3

        7.7% of your posts are from colesworth so yes you do :-)

        • altomic on 31/03/2019 - 17:47
          +3

          says the user with 9.7% of posts being woolworths deals….. ( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°)

      • [Deactivated] on 19/04/2019 - 07:22

        They sure know how to ask questions though.

  • [Deactivated] on 31/03/2019 - 10:58
    +10

    The deal posting rules are clearly outlined.

    Current deals does not have to be cheaper than past deals.

    Neg votes because of price are not valid if it is currently the cheapest available price.

    A deal may not receive many upvotes even if it is the cheapest available price because it the lowest current price does not necessarily make it a bargain.

    A high percentage reduction does not make it a deal either. I'd take 10% off an Amazon gift card over a free religious brochure.

    The system works.

    The reason why we don't have deals based on good or cheaper because it is subjective. "Only a Sith deals in absolutes." It only takes two to rule the universe. Absolutes work.

    • gooddealmate on 31/03/2019 - 15:57
      +2

      Hit the nail on the head.

      The voting system should tell you whether a deal is good or not.

      If something is 10% off the rrp and it's that price more often than it isn't, then rightly so, some people will probably have a whinge saying it's not a bargain if it's usually that price.

      Like tshow says above. The system works.

      • SlickMick on 06/04/2019 - 00:34

        Just make sure you don't upvote average deals, they won't get on the front page or in the email, and I never have to know about them :)

  • [Deactivated] on 31/03/2019 - 11:18
    +3

    Maybe every deal should have a % off field so punters can set their personal preference/orifice threshold. Nintendo Switch is easily the most popular product here and 10% is a valid discount on it.

    • [Deactivated] on 31/03/2019 - 11:42
      -1

      Or they can just not use the site since they're missing the point entirely.

  • Tech5 on 31/03/2019 - 11:34

    The forums have turned into an all encompassing kind of thing as well

  • netjock on 31/03/2019 - 11:49

    There are some extreme bargain hunters, don't let them get you down. Some things are just not possible (like it costs more to transport / produce) and it was a one off liquidation type sales.

    Here we only see one side. Extreme bargainers could blow their money on an expensive car so all for nothing. Still going to retire at 85 because they've save some but taken on a lot of bad debt.

    • magic8ballgag on 31/03/2019 - 15:14
      +2

      I have no problem with people going far and beyond to score a deal or save a buck, after all that desire to save money is a part of every member here. But to say, for example, negatively vote a ~$7,000 iMac simply because you either can't afford it, or have no use for it, is just ridiculous.

      • Hybroid on 31/03/2019 - 15:19
        +1

        I know what you're saying, as is evident on any Apple post, that people like to troll and threadspoil not realising it's still a bargain price regardless of your perceived value for money or not.

        On the flipside, the Tesla S deal got nearly 3000 positive votes so… Who knows.

        It's the internet. Anonymous comments sections are the cesspit of humanity. HotUKDeals site suffers from the same mentalities.

  • Sage on 31/03/2019 - 13:15
    +4

    We should be more welcoming to items that are at a static price.
    A lot of really affordable products go unnoticed, and the community here seems to only accept if the prices are artificially inflated before being lowered.

  • elgrande on 31/03/2019 - 13:35
    -2

    This site is called OzBargain, not OzOpinion..

    • magic8ballgag on 31/03/2019 - 13:37
      -1

      And you are exactly the type of member I was referring to my post.

      Hurr durr the name is in the title!

      • elgrande on 31/03/2019 - 16:42
        -1

        I believe the correct spelling is derr.

  • try2bhelpful on 31/03/2019 - 14:26
    +3

    Completely agree with the OP. So sick of the "bargain" police who whine about something being the original price so it isn't a bargain. If it is cheaper, or better, than other comparable products out there then I'm willing to take the 2 seconds it takes to scan the title and decide if this is for me. Things that are't popular just sink from sight. If you aren't interested in a well known product then don't comment about it; unless you have something particularly witty to say or you can highlight something specifically problematic - like it catches fire. Frankly I'm not interested in people's prejudices, "just the facts, ma'am".

  • AustriaBargain on 31/03/2019 - 15:30
    +2

    We come here for bargains, not for regular deals or sales. But everything can and is submitted and is voted up by how popular it is, so it's a non issue. I only weep for the real bargains that never get submitted.

    • Du30 on 31/03/2019 - 15:48

      You are right. I've just applied Telstra BYO plan from JB Hifi because of OZBargain and it's a good deal. I reckon that we should have more real bargain hunters. LOL! Looking forward for this great website. Cheers!

      • AustriaBargain on 31/03/2019 - 16:07
        +1

        It’s nice having all the offers here anyway. If BigW has the same thing $10 more, but is the only one offering Afterpay or local sameday pickup, then it might be what you need that day.

    • magic8ballgag on 31/03/2019 - 16:20

      We come here for bargains

      Are you speaking for yourself or on behalf of everyone? As I'm certainly here for both.

  • havebeerbelywillsumo on 31/03/2019 - 16:06

    You can't police opinion, it's too woolly as it depends on the member - personally I think 10% off is not a "bargain" for example and shouldn't be here but others might want to see it so it is a "bargain" to them, read sift and ignore what you don't want, then move on, life is too short etc.

    • magic8ballgag on 31/03/2019 - 16:22

      personally I think 10% off is not a "bargain" for

      This sort of goes back to the question in the title, does everything have to be a bargain? Are we using the name too literally?

      • try2bhelpful on 31/03/2019 - 16:40
        +1

        Completely agree, there are some products that a very rarely on special, or might normally be expensive, so 10% off might be a very good saving. Personally I'm looking for "value for money" rather than a bargain. Something expensive I use a lot is worth a lot more to me than a cheap piece of crap I use once and throw into a draw.

        I managed to lock onto the Virgin round the world business class tickets for $3500 each, I could've gone for the economy class for $1100 but the experience in business class was something I really wanted to do. Have not regretted it one bit and very grateful somebody posted it here.

        The last thing I want to do is to stop people posting bargains because the "bargain police" diss them. The next thing they were intending to post might be exactly what I'm looking for.

      • havebeerbelywillsumo on 31/03/2019 - 16:49

        Answered your question here in my post - maybe I wasn't clear enough.

        IMO it is not possible to determine what is a "bargain" as it is an opinion, let people post what they will. You wanted to see "good deals" but that is again an opinion, yours.

        That's why I say "sift" and agree with your "I can research".

        Lastly, ignore the obviously silly negs, you can't stop trolls and fools. Appreciate the view of the sensible negs - they may not agree with your opinion but if it is heartfelt there is no reason that another opinion should not be voiced eg the Apple neg that is for high price NOT just because it's Apple.

        The "rules" on posting and submitting deals must stay fuzzy to allow a broad range of opinion.

        • try2bhelpful on 31/03/2019 - 17:00

          The problem with saying "the Apple neg that is for high price NOT just because it's Apple" is not really valid either. If people are looking at high priced phones they don't do it "accidently"; they know what they are looking for and understand the pricing and the technology. However, it doesn't stop people making the same tired "OMG $2000 for a phone" comments. Yup, it costs a lot of money, and if you can get it at a discount, it costs less. I don't think anyone looking at the post is going to have an epiphany that the phone costs a lot by somebody making that comment. Personally if I'm putting down serious coin for a product I'm doing my research; which is what we should all be doing. When I see the "OMG $2000 for a phone" comment it just irritates me as it provides no actual value to the discussion.

          • havebeerbelywillsumo on 31/03/2019 - 17:20

            @try2bhelpful: Again I was unclear….."the Apple neg that is for high price" was meaning to say "the Apple neg that is for high price where it is high compared to the feature set available on well made brand XXX for cheaper"

            • try2bhelpful on 01/04/2019 - 00:08
              +1

              @havebeerbelywillsumo: Still not the point, or the place, to post something like that, there are many reasons to choose one phone over another and the continual “buy an android phone” comments are just annoying. If you want to start a discussion on the various “merits” then create a forum, it is irrelevant to the deal being posted.

  • Soluble on 31/03/2019 - 16:40

    I think it depends on the product. Ozbargainers vote correctly most of the time imo. There's plenty of BS deals. But they fade quickly with little to no votes!

    If anything we need to see more random super bargains posted that are missed.

  • try2bhelpful on 31/03/2019 - 17:09
    +3

    Actually I'm pretty cool about normal people putting up deals. We can give them hints and tips on how to do things better, if the post is incomplete or unclear, but given they are going to the, sometimes not inconsiderable, effort of posting what they consider a good deal I'm happy to thank them for it - even if the deal isn't for me. The next deal they post might be exactly what I was looking for. I know there are certainly times I've decided I just can't be bothered posting a deal because I don't want to deal with the fallout; however, positive comments and constructive assistance does make it worthwhile when I do make the effort.

    I give salespeople posting on here a bit less leeway. Do a bit of googling and research before you post and ensure what you are selling is a good deal. Don't give me inflated "standard" pricing if you've never sold it at that price. Give us an idea on what shipping times will be and don't leave people stranded by not having stock to fulfil orders. Love to hear from you if the deal is genuine but don't fill the site with "stuff" if it isn't.

    • havebeerbelywillsumo on 31/03/2019 - 17:21
      +1

      Well said

    • magic8ballgag on 01/04/2019 - 10:14

      Thanks for your input, the more deals the merrier in my opinion! Besides that, I'd hate for new members to be put off submitting deals by negative and/or irrelevant comments, as they may turn out to be worthy contributers to the site.

  • Cheaplikethebird on 01/04/2019 - 19:42

    It can be good if it’s in a helpful tone. I’ll usually check the comments to get others opinions on a deal and if it’s something I’m not in a rush to buy then it’s good to know if I’m likely to get it cheaper by holding out.

    Also while some can go overboard, the whingers and extreme tight arses are part of the charm this site has. I come here mostly for laughs these days.

  • payton on 02/04/2019 - 18:24
    +1

    Never mind that, the clutter are from store reps using the site as an advertising platform …
    there is no requirement for them to demonstrate their deal is a genuine bargain, ie consideerably cheaper than competitors etc
    PJC and others used to help keep these reps in line, but alas he had been banned
    its not the 'job' of ozbargain members to repeatedly look for cheaper prices so they can neg these freeloaders, until the end of time.

    nowadays there'd be lots of these 'deals' (eg some junk from Amazon AU, free ship with Prime with a $49 spend!!!!!!)
    and probably one dealworthy bargain in one day

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