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  • theHMASfriendship on 04/03/2019 - 13:50
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    Grass Fed Scotch Fillet Steaks

    How do you feed scotch fillet steaks?

  • WTF on 04/03/2019 - 13:54

    I thought all cows eat grass ??

    • richy_o on 04/03/2019 - 13:55
      +3

      A lot eat grain. Which ruins the fat profile of the meat making a lot less healthy for you.

    • [Deactivated] on 04/03/2019 - 14:10
      +2

      Most do. The main difference is between grass finished and grain finished. Farmers often grain finish the cows to fatten them up in the last few months. This can help add some fat to the meat and bring the price down, but in general cows that have been fed grass from start to finish are much more nutrient dense. The nutrients in beef come from the soil/grass they eat obviously. When they're fed grain or corn for long periods of time the meat becomes very poor quality.

      We also need cows to fertilise our soil, without ruminant animals we're going to be left with useless dirt. Most plants are grown as monoculture and the soil has been depleted of all the good stuff, leaving the plants we eat with very little nutrients. On top of that, plants are not very bioavailable for human digestion. So if for example a plant has 1g Calcium and an animal product has 1g Calcium, that's a useless comparison, because once it goes into our body, your body can't absorb much from the plant version, whereas animal products are very bioavailable for humans.

      Nothing like a good ramble about the awesomeness of beef ;)

      p.s I don't eat plants

      • DeepDreamer on 04/03/2019 - 14:41
        +1

        Carnivore diet? I've been looking into it

        • [Deactivated] on 04/03/2019 - 15:00
          +4

          Yes! You will never look back. I was keto for a couple of years, which is also great, but carnivore just makes the most sense (and it's keto anyway). You can take back your health very easily. Go to meatheals.org and read other people's stories.

          Benefits for me (and most others):
          - Constant energy
          - Very little hunger
          - All skin problems gone
          - Hayfever gone
          - Constipation and gas gone (I do about 5 farts a week, no joke)
          - Better sleep
          - Teeth are great, never feel any buildup
          - More lean muscle mass
          - Way sharper concentration, no brain fog
          - Weight loss is easy
          - Not wasting money on all the rubbish and 'superfoods' we've been told is good for us. Just eat meat (mostly grass fed beef), eggs, dairy (avoid milk and yoghurt due to carbs).
          - Cooking is quick and more simple which can be handy
          - I feel alive, strong and presume my testosterone has increased
          - Going to the gym is easier and more enjoyable

          Many of these benefits I got from keto also, but carnivore takes it leaps further.

          Don't let anyone tell you beef is bad for the environment. This is being pushed by the grain/plant industry. I can give ample links to support the case for cows and the environment. They have hijacked the vegan movement to push their agenda. Plants make us sick (Big Ag benefits), plants are sprayed (Big Chemical benefits), then we have health issues (big Pharma benefits). We've been conditioned to 'eat your fruit and vegetables', but this was never a thing. Meat and animal fat was always what was prized in most cultures. People are being told their GPs that they have diabetes for life, but yet are being cured through keto within months. Big pharma wants you on regular medication, they don't care about cures. The cures are in your diet :)

          Also worth looking into anti nutrients and oxalates in plants. You will never see plants the same way again.

          Some people to follow on youtube to help with your journey:

          • Dr Shawn Baker
          • Amber O'Hearn
          • Primal Edge Health
          • Belinda Fettke
          • Dr Gary Fettke
          • Bary Kay
          • Nina Teicholz
          • Jason Fung
          • Dr Ken Berry
          • Low Carb Downunder
          • Frank Tufano

          Good luck!

          • sator on 04/03/2019 - 15:16
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            @[Deactivated]: I bet you also don't believe in climate change, think Trump is awesome, Pell is innocent, vaccines are evil pushed by the big pharma, and Herbalife is great

            • [Deactivated] on 04/03/2019 - 15:18
              +5

              @sator: Ha, no I believe in climate change and actually work in sustainability. Also no to the rest. Not everyone fits in your little convenient pigeon holes.

            • [Deactivated] on 04/03/2019 - 15:23
              +3

              @sator: Here's a presentation at the EU headquarters by one of the UK's top cardiologists, including a few others. They discuss the corruption in the healthcare industry, the terrible food guidelines and how poor studies are being pushed by conflicts of interest. They have had enough and are demanding change. Not everything is a conspiracy theory. I doubt you'll make the time to watch it but that's your loss. Feel free to stay uneducated and out of date.

              https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jcnd3usdNxo

              • tedibaba on 04/03/2019 - 23:39
                +1

                @[Deactivated]: Hi
                Thanks for sharing the link. Just had look and going to watch the whole thing later

          • tedibaba on 04/03/2019 - 23:40
            +1

            @[Deactivated]: Apprecaite your valuable comments
            Thanks

            • [Deactivated] on 04/03/2019 - 23:45

              @tedibaba: You're very welcome. It's an excellent talk

          • Jazza2400 on 05/03/2019 - 09:03

            @[Deactivated]: As an ozbargainer and with the rising cost of meat how do you get around those costs? I've done keto and very interested in ZC diet but worried the costs will make me broke haha

            • [Deactivated] on 05/03/2019 - 09:54
              +1

              @Jazza2400: I feel your pain. I think to start with, just go for regular beef and not worry about grass-fed initially. Like we were saying, it's still grass fed, just grain finished. So it's still ok. Alternating between mince (burgers) and steaks is a good way to bring the cost down too. I really haven't found it to be too expensive just because you eat less and buy less stuff in general. A lot of people also stop needing meds and supplements etc, so that's another saving you may come across over time.

              Give it a try for a month and see how you go when comparing the food costs, you might be surprised. Then when you can afford it, start buying more grass-fed stuff. It's also worth comparing your local butcher prices with the supermarket. I've been surprised at how many times the butcher has been cheaper.

              • Jazza2400 on 05/03/2019 - 10:34

                @[Deactivated]: Nice! I'll check out our local butcher more often. How about regular mince over heartsmart since it had more fat and cheaper I figure it's better on these ZC diets as it's more value.

                • [Deactivated] on 05/03/2019 - 10:45
                  +1

                  @Jazza2400: Forget about lean meat and 'heart smart' products. The heart foundation is using terrible 50 year old epidemiological studies that are completely out dated and inaccurate. They still think you need to reduce fat which is totally wrong.

                  Get the fattiest meat you can find. But next time you get mince, get both grass-fed and regular. You will taste the difference. Grass-fed mince tastes a lot better. Though like I said, go with what you can afford for the moment. Maybe avoid chicken, it's not very nutrient dense.

                  And remember to avoid vegetable oils. Cook everything in lard, butter, ghee, fat etc. Don't be scared of salt either. Your body basically has a salt regulator built in, so it will expel any excess salt it doesn't need. BUT, your body can't produce more salt, so if you don't get enough of it, your body will start to have cravings. This is why increasing salt helps with addictions, especially sugar. Too little salt, more craving feelings.

          • elli0t on 10/03/2019 - 10:15
            +1

            @[Deactivated]: Great advice here! I'm mostly carnivore myself too with exceptions of coffee and occasional avocado or 90% dark chocolate. Also check out Paul Saladino on YouTube, he has some really good videos, interviews and debates. Recently destroyed Layne Norton in a debate on Mark Bell's Power Project. Just started reading Allan Savory's Hollistic Management also.

            • [Deactivated] on 10/03/2019 - 14:38

              @elli0t: Nice! The movement is growing :)

      • garage sale on 04/03/2019 - 15:28
        +1

        Wagyu is highly regarded and as fatty as it can get ….so grain fed lowering the value of beef might not be correct. They grain finish to add fat and price goes up …..grass is cheaper than grain in Australia hence most of our need is grass fed.

        • [Deactivated] on 04/03/2019 - 15:32
          +1

          Adding grain allows the cows to grow more in the last months which in tuns yields more beef. I prefer grass fed all way anyway. Regarding Wagyu, that's generally a specific breed of cow with more fat from the get go.

        • [Deactivated] on 04/03/2019 - 15:36

          And yes, I agree, most cows are actually grass fed which is great. It's just the finishing method which can vary. 'Factory Farms' are very few and far between when it comes to cattle. Obviously pigs and chickens more frequently have worse conditions, so I avoid those meats where possible except for free range eggs.

        • Stivo on 04/03/2019 - 16:32

          If you looking for something like Wagyu on a budget, try to get your hands on some beef from the Murray Grey breed. Its hard to get specific beef apart from Black Angus but the Murray Grey has amazing marbling. Its a pity there is no marketing done for it like they did with Black Angus.

          • [Deactivated] on 04/03/2019 - 17:07

            @Stivo: Nice! Thanks will keep an eye out for it

          • TeeJay on 04/03/2019 - 22:19

            @Stivo: Any idea where to find it?

            I'm curious to try it now

            • Stivo on 06/03/2019 - 12:12

              @TeeJay: Wish I knew. Some high end restaurants might have suppliers who can provide specific breeds, but I cant think of a butcher who keeps breeds separated.

      • dust on 04/03/2019 - 16:23

        SO what does your typical week look like in terms of meals? You must spend a fortune on food?

        • [Deactivated] on 04/03/2019 - 17:03
          +2

          I generally don't spend a great deal, or at least not too different to before. I think one main reason is that you eat less overall because you're satiated for much longer. There's also a tonne of sauces, packets, fruits, vegetables, juices, biscuits, grains etc etc that you no longer buy. You're also investing in your health long term. Most of that stuff is just sugar/carbs with little nutrients anyway. If you learn about oxalates for example, you'll discover how too many plants can destroy your body, including your brain and mental health. Bart Kay did a great interview on this:

          https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZOTMJYbDQok

          I'll have a coffee in the morning. Normally I eat around 1pm and then again around 5pm. No snacks or anything before or after that (this way your body can rest and work on healing cells better, also doesn't trigger an insulin response which would kick you out of ketosis). So essentially it's intermittent fasting for approx 18-20 hours. This gets easier over time especially if you were already keto adapted.

          Often it's scrambled eggs cooked in butter or beef fat. Some cheese, liver pate (there's some vegetable oil in this though which isn't ideal), maybe bacon on the side. Normally I'm not even hungry so probably don't need to eat at 1pm. Dinner may be any of the following; rib-eye steak, burgers with cheese on top, pork belly occasionally (but trying to find a good farm source for this), roast lamb, more beef. Occasionally I cook mushrooms in a cream sauce. That's one of the few non meat things I'll eat. Always lots of fat. I'm trying to get into more raw meat and organ meats, just need time to adjust to the taste.

          If I feel like dessert every now and then I'll just make a chai with heavy cream and erythritol. That satisfies me, but generally cravings of sweet stuff disappear.

          All cooking is done in butter, ghee, animal fat (tallow). I avoid vegetable oils like the plague (they are heavily processed and extremely toxic for the body). Coconut oil and Olive Oil aren't bad, but I try to stick to animal based.

          So besides tea, coffee and occasional mushrooms, sometimes I'll make ginger beer with erythritol and freshly grated ginger. 0 insulin response from erythritol. If I go to a restaurant or someone's house I'll eat whatever. I'm not going to miss out on something if it's just once a month or whatever.

          You don't have to go crazy with premium everything and most carnivores don't care if you have some plants. I love cooking and used to be into lots of 'healthy' plant recipes etc, but after learning more about health and our ancestors etc, it just didn't seem to add up any more. The fad diet is what we've eaten for the last 100 years. Explains where all these health problems have all of a sudden appeared from. Once the nutritional guidelines came out, obesity basically sky rocketed after that. It's pretty much the opposite of what it should be and is only getting worse. Thankfully there's doctors and nutritionists that are catching onto it now and making a difference. Most nutrition studies in the past were epidemiology studies which are notoriously inaccurate and have a success rate of about 0-20% and this is what we've based our health on.

          Sorry to ramble on but my partner also studies nutrition so we're really into this stuff. Plus once you see the benefits, you'll want to spread the word too :) Hope that helps answer the question.

          • JestR on 04/03/2019 - 18:03
            +1

            @[Deactivated]: This is far from rambling very far. Actually this is one of the best and honest posts I’ve read for a long time.
            People take health for granted as convenience takes precedence over it.
            I’m on the same path as you and only wish people would stop and asses how we are getting laid to and poisoned each day.
            I’ve turned around my life with simple no carbs life style after my father died at 53 from heart attack.
            Fats and healthy oils…. no carbs my blood results have blown away my doctor, btw I’ve gone totally opposite to his recommendations of increasing grains and cutting fats.
            You are spot on!

            • [Deactivated] on 04/03/2019 - 18:48
              +1

              @JestR: Thanks a bunch mate I really appreciate that! Really happy to hear you're taking things into control. Sorry to hear about your Dad and I can see how that would make you even more determined to get out of the viscous health cycle we've been conditioned in. It feels great to learn how to be in charge of your health.

              It bugs me when people just want to shut you down, especially when you know just how positive the benefits are. One hurdle that always comes up is the meat is bad and causes greenhouse gasses. It pays to learn more about this so you can explain to people just how corrupted that idea is, for so many reasons. If you're ever interested, just listen to anything from Peter Ballerstedt (he's a Ruminant Agronomist) or Diana Rodgers (Dietician and farm owner). Small family cattle farms are under attack by big agriculture. The latest 'EAT-Lancet' report which came out in Jan is pushing almost completely vegan guidelines and they are recommending to the UN that countries place a tax on animal products. The UN supports this report. This is a huge deal and no credible scientist or dietician could possibly agree with the nutrient content of the recommenced 'world' diet.

              Belinda Fettke, who's actually Tasmanian and the wife of Gary Fettke (Orthopedic Surgeon in Launceston) who was silenced and taken to court for recommending a low carb diet to his patients. He was curing people. Now he's banned from talking about nutrition for the rest of his life. This is how dark things get. Dieticians in most cases (not all) have become the gate keepers for the food industry. Belinda wrote an article (as have many others) on the EAT-lancet report below. It's definitely worth a read if you want to see what's going on.

              https://isupportgary.com/articles/is-the-eat-lancet-vegan-ru…

              This is under the guise of 'its good for the environment. This is a farce. The report was sponsored by the worlds biggest Ag, Pharma and Chemical companies. One of the main sponsors was Novo Nordisk. They are one of the world's biggest suppliers of Insulin products. Of course they're going to back this high carb high sugar unhealthy diet. What company would support something that would put them out of business. The corruption is in plain site and that's just one of dozens of examples in this report.

              I get really worked up about it because people are suffering and you can't blame them when they're given such bad info from people in authority (just like you mention). To make it worse people think they are doing good for the planet when really they're doing the bidding of these corporations. The other issue is the trendiness of veganism with their active wear and colourful plates of food and smoothies, when really it's a toxic sludge full of sugar, anti-nutrients and oxalates and they're ruining their health. 84% of vegans return to meat because of health problems. Who knows, the others probably die…

              People need to embrace killing animals (as ethically as possible), it's part of our nature. I think being spiritual is understanding that symbiosis and circle of life. Cows would much rather hang out in a safe field and then quickly die from a bolt, than being scared of wolves their whole life and eventually die from having their balls bitten off first and slowly torn apart while they're still alive.

              More rambling, lol! Anyway, thanks for your reply. I wish you all the best with your health!

              • fantombloo on 04/03/2019 - 20:49
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                @[Deactivated]:

                it's part of our nature

                So is war.

                I think being spiritual is understanding that symbiosis and circle of life.

                Your type of spirituality has exploited and killed an untold number of people (and other animals).

                • [Deactivated] on 04/03/2019 - 21:10

                  @fantombloo: Well people with your philosophy would have gone extinct millions of years ago. And yes, untold numbers of animals, but I don't see that as a problem, providing it's done ethically and sustainably (we can argue that until the cows come home).

                  Mass monoculture is wiping out huge amounts of ecosystems, killing small animals and insects, removing habitats, poisoning the soil and waterways, killing all our bees and leaving the soil with very limited micro-organisms and nutrients which are needed to sustain life. If you want to live in a synthetic and unhealthy world because you can't stomach the killing of an animal, that's up to you. Your health is your choice.

                  • fantombloo on 04/03/2019 - 21:33

                    @[Deactivated]:

                    Well people with your philosophy would have gone extinct millions of years ago.

                    Probably not, considering starchy carbs were integral to our evolution and gave us various advantage over other primates. Considering our digestive system is so well equipped to handle starches and carbs you'd think they might have some nutritional value. You seem to want to make some dichotomy between a natural meaty and a fake planty existence. Good for you. The UN FAO - which actually reflects the consensus of credible science - has much to warn about animal agriculture, much less on cropping. The bulk of all crops are fed to animal agriculture anyway.

                    But killing someone else when there is another option - and there is pretty much always another option these days - can never be done ethically. Today you have every essential nutrient available from a non-animal origin; so just how do you make the completely unnecessary killing of an animal ethical? Do you actually think you need cholesterol or lard or casein to survive?

                    • [Deactivated] on 04/03/2019 - 22:09
                      +2

                      @fantombloo: The bulk of all crops are NOT fed to animals. Most of the animals are only fed the byproducts of those crops which would essentially be waste if they weren't used. Cattle are normally only fed that at the end of their life, the rest is sustainable grass and rain. There is NOT a scientific consensus on animal agriculture. 85-95% of cattle are raised on pastures. In the US roughly 90%+ are from small farms with 50 head of cattle or less. These are often local family farms, not mega agriculture corporations. Factory farms make up roughly 7% from memory. Are you being brainwashed with vegan documentaries?

                      Manure from cattle acts as a carbon sink and actually sequesters carbon within the soil. But they never talk about that do they. They also keep the grass healthy and the soil alive. America had anywhere between 100-200 million ruminants only a couple of hundred years ago, before they were hunted out by native and settlers. Were there greenhouse gas problems then? No. The most accurate estimate on greenhouse gases I'm aware of is that the meat industry makes up about 4% of US emissions. Agriculture is roughly 10% and Healthcare makes up 10-12%! Greenhouse gas emissions are also much shorter lived in the atmosphere.

                      The only other data that seems close to credible is NASA's latest study on greenhouse gasses. Even they can't be sure about ruminants. Also, the level from ruminants is most likely totally sustainable by our atmosphere and always existed. It's when you combine it with all the other emissions that it's an issue, but why pick on the meat portion of it and not the rest of the factors? Because profits, that's why. If this isn't obvious, then your must have a lot of trust in big corporations (and the UN which helps them push policies globally, always has).

                      These big companies want to divert your attention away from all their food waste, pesticides, fertiliser, transportation emissions, poor health results and food that totally lacks the nutrients it used to have. Plants have very little of the nutrients they once had. Half the plants never even existed and were bred from other plants. Fruit as an example used to have much higher vitamins and very little sugar. It is now the opposite. You also clearly have no idea how important soil health is.

                      Plants produce 2-3 times more waste than meat products. Most meats can be raised locally and naturally. Many plants are being exported all around the world creating way more needs for fossil fuels than necessary. These 'scientists' you're talking about will compare the protein profile of say and beef and try to convince you that soy is more sustainable (besides being toxic). But when you take into account usable protein and bioavailability, soy makes up only about 10-20% of the protein of beef. So generally these kind of figures are way off. You will learn in time as this becomes more commonly discussed, I promise.

                      I won't even get started on nutrition in general, because I can already tell you're not going to listen, but if you think you can get everything from plants, go for it! It's not true at all, but go for it. Fill your body up with oxalates, lectins and anti-nutrients. Have your toxic kale smoothies and your cashews. Have your supplements. I can send you a systematic review on supplements and increased mortality if you want. Or about how fibre tears open your intestinal lining over time allowing toxins to seep into your bloodstream. Or how oxalates are like tiny razor blades molecules that reach all parts of your body. Or how sugar leaves plaque on your brain. The list goes on and one. But you keep listening to your hipster vegans who think they're go tit all worked out. Meanwhile they're going infertile and their teeth are rotting away.

                      You're speaking from emotion and ideology so you're already too far gone. And what's the point in engaging with someone who's first comments are jumping in with insults and accusations.

                      p.s why don't you look into who's funding all these studies about meat and their emissions. Go on, do some proper research and see what you find. The link I posted above from the cardiologist at EU council outlines just how corrupted scientists and studies have become and he has ample evidence of the conflicts of interest. One dutch 'scientist's' corrupt study (funded by corporate interest) was estimated to be responsible for approx 800,000 deaths. Watch it, you might learn something instead of the usual propaganda. You think it doesn't happen in the food industry too? There's big money to be lost so they're more than happy to keep people like you in the dark.

                      Good luck!

                    • JestR on 05/03/2019 - 07:59
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                      @fantombloo: Are seriously questioning our need for cholesterol????
                      Do you even understand what cholesterol does and how important it is for hormone production especially testosterone.
                      It assists blood flow in your arteries by lubrication. It is only a problem when there is too much of it due to inflammation causing micro tears on the walls. Cholesterol coats it to prevent further damage.
                      Blaming cholesterol for the heart problems is like blaming firemen for water logging your house after they stopped the fire from burning it down.
                      You should re-evaluate what you have learned and believe.

                      • fantombloo on 05/03/2019 - 08:51

                        @JestR: If you have a functioning liver then it makes all the cholesterol you need.

                        Do you have a liver? If so then you don't need to consume extra cholesterol produced by the livers of other animals.

                        • [Deactivated] on 05/03/2019 - 10:37
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                          @fantombloo: To be fair, you asked if we think we need cholesterol. JestR's answer is still correct.

                          The body will produce about 75% of the cholesterol that it needs give or take, the rest it requires from dietary cholesterol. You can function off the endogenous cholesterol to survive, but you will put your liver under stress.

                          But let's talk about all the things you won't get from plants shall we? A few main ones below:

                          Vitamin B12 - Not found in plants. Why don't you go find all the remaining tribes in the world and start telling them they are unethical for eating meat and need to take B12 injections instead. I bet they'll think you're such a spiritual and down to earth person with your tubs of supplements and imported unseasonal foods.

                          Retinol - Bioavailability in plants is about 16% of that of animal products

                          Vitamin D3 - Only about 33% in plants as D2

                          Vitamin K2 - Far more superior and longer lived in the body than K1

                          Heme Iron - At least 2x more bioavailable than the regular iron found in plants

                          DHA - Very important for brain health and development. Not found in plants. You can only make it from the omega-3 fatty acid ALA, which is in some seeds and nuts. But it's a very inefficient conversion (about 3-10%)

                          Many of the other nutrients in plants are very limited in their bioavailability and are hindered by other factors such as anti-nutrients. Concerning how very little vegans know about the plants they're eating.

                          Most plants don't want to be eaten, unless it's for the transportation of seeds (hence sweet fruits in some cases). Plants can't run away or defend themselves like animals, so they've had to evolve to defend themselves in other ways. Therefore they have become master chemists by producing chemicals to prevent themselves from being eaten by animals. These are things like phytic acids, lectins, oxalates, tannin, goitrogens, cyanide, saponins, gluten and so on.

                          This is why high levels of plant foods fill your body with all of these chemicals and substances which it can't digest or process properly. Many of the anti-nutrients will block all the good stuff you think your body is getting. This leads to all kinds of auto-immune diseases, mental health issues and chronic inflammation. These are the very things that people going to a carnivore diet are eliminating. If you don't want to believe people's stories, that's fine, those people don't really care because they've got their health back whether you like it or not.

                          Just because your meals are colourful and exotic looking, doesn't make them healthy. Most vegans are actually sugar junkies. What makes me laugh is when people go on a juice 'cleanse' and break out in pimples on their face and say 'look I'm detoxing'. NO, you've been drinking straight sugar all week and you're breaking out in acne as a result.

                          • fantombloo on 05/03/2019 - 15:06
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                            @[Deactivated]: Yes, I can accept the authority of Lookit and Pete Evans, or I can appeal to the following highly regarded diatetic and health organisations. Yes, if I wanted to live like a caveman then some animal based foods would be necessary, just like having a heavy club to beat my cavewoman would have been necessary. But here I am with a computer, a car, a house, a chair with adjustable recline, and every other modern device that facilitates a different life. How arbitrary to be modern with everything except what we eat.

                            For the record I take a B12 sup most days and recommend all plant based eaters do. As a "carnivore" do you take a fibre or VitC supplement? You should.

                            Harvard Medical School
                            http://www.health.harvard.edu/staying-healthy/becoming-a-veg…

                            Traditionally, research into vegetarianism (see context) focused mainly on potential nutritional deficiencies, but in recent years, the pendulum has swung the other way, and studies are confirming the health benefits of meat-free eating. Nowadays, plant-based eating is recognized as not only nutritionally sufficient but also as a way to reduce the risk for many chronic illnesses.

                            British Dietetic Association
                            https://www.bda.uk.com/foodfacts/vegetarianfoodfacts.pdf

                            Well planned vegetarian diets (see context) can be nutritious and healthy. They are associated with lower risks of heart disease, high blood pressure, Type 2 diabetes, obesity, certain cancers and lower cholesterol levels. This could be because such diets are lower in saturated fat, contain fewer calories and more fiber and phytonutrients/phytochemicals (these can have protective properties) than non-vegetarian diets. (…) Well-planned vegetarian diets are appropriate for all stages of life and have many benefits.

                            Academy of Nutrition and Dietetics
                            https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/27886704/

                            It is the position of the Academy of Nutrition and Dietetics that appropriately planned vegetarian, including vegan, diets are healthful, nutritionally adequate, and may provide health benefits for the prevention and treatment of certain diseases. These diets are appropriate for all stages of the life cycle, including pregnancy, lactation, infancy, childhood, adolescence, older adulthood, and for athletes.

                            Dietitians of Canada
                            https://www.dietitians.ca/Downloads/Factsheets/Guidlines-for…

                            A healthy vegan diet can meet all your nutrient needs at any stage of life including when you are pregnant, breastfeeding or for older adults.

                            The British National Health Service
                            http://www.nhs.uk/Livewell/Vegetarianhealth/Pages/Vegandiets…

                            With good planning and an understanding of what makes up a healthy, balanced vegan diet, you can get all the nutrients your body needs.

                            The British Nutrition Foundation
                            https://www.nutrition.org.uk/healthyliving/helpingyoueatwell…

                            Well planned vegetarian and vegan diets can be nutritious and healthy … Studies of UK vegetarian and vegan children have revealed that their growth and development are within the normal range.

                            The Dietitians Association of Australia
                            https://daa.asn.au/smart-eating-for-you/smart-eating-fast-fa…

                            Vegan diets are a type of vegetarian diet, where only plant-based foods are eaten. With good planning, those following a vegan diet can cover all their nutrient bases, but there are some extra things to consider.

                            The United States Department of Agriculture
                            http://www.choosemyplate.gov/tips-vegetarians

                            Vegetarian diets (see context) can meet all the recommendations for nutrients. The key is to consume a variety of foods and the right amount of foods to meet your calorie needs. Follow the food group recommendations for your age, sex, and activity level to get the right amount of food and the variety of foods needed for nutrient adequacy. Nutrients that vegetarians may need to focus on include protein, iron, calcium, zinc, and vitamin B12.

                            The National Health and Medical Research Council
                            https://www.nhmrc.gov.au/_files_nhmrc/file/publications/n55_…

                            Appropriately planned vegetarian diets, including total vegetarian or vegan diets, are healthy and nutritionally adequate. Well-planned vegetarian diets are appropriate for individuals during all stages of the lifecycle. Those following a strict vegetarian or vegan diet can meet nutrient requirements as long as energy needs are met and an appropriate variety of plant foods are eaten throughout the day

                            The Mayo Clinic
                            http://www.mayoclinic.org/healthy-living/nutrition-and-healt…

                            A well-planned vegetarian diet (see context) can meet the needs of people of all ages, including children, teenagers, and pregnant or breast-feeding women. The key is to be aware of your nutritional needs so that you plan a diet that meets them.

                            The Heart and Stroke Foundation of Canada
                            https://www.heartandstroke.ca/get-healthy/healthy-eating/spe…

                            Vegetarian diets (see context) can provide all the nutrients you need at any age, as well as some additional health benefits.

                            • [Deactivated] on 05/03/2019 - 16:13
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                              @fantombloo: We were talking about veganism. Most of those articles are about vegetarianism. There's a huge difference. Would you like me to explain it to you. I think that might be a bit too condescending so I won't.

                              'Appropriately planned' 'well-planned'. So are you going to tell all of civilisation that they didn't 'plan' well enough, or that they somehow did? Which is it?

                              These are the same kind of organisations that have been telling us fat causes heart disease for the last 50 years. Which we now know is a complete lie. Did you trust them then? What about when the earth was flat, did you trust them then?

                              What about decades ago when most doctors and scientists were saying tobacco was safe. You would have copied all your little links and said, look, authority says it's fine! How do you think that panned out? What about sugar, same story there… Seeing at pattern yet?

                              Name me one succesful vegan culture in history, go on I'll wait. And don't bother mentioning people in North India because their diets are high in ghee. Many cultures only had access to a limited amount of foods. Are you trying to say that they secretly imported exotic plants to sustain their diet. I'll give you a clue, they didn't. Eating was seasonal and always included animal products. Why do you think so many cultures always prized animal meat and fatty meat above pretty much everything else?

                              The Australian Heart Foundation is still telling people to eat low fat. Are they right too? You want to follow that advice blindly do you? Good luck to you with that advice! :) Are you still part of the low fat movement, because that was pretty prevalent for a long time?

                              What about the doctors telling people to take statins, you believe that too? Even though they're proven to be completely ineffective and have much worse side effects than benefits. What about patients being told they have diabetes for life (by almost every GP on the planet) and have to take insulin forever, but then going keto and reversing it in a matter of months. Believe that too? You'll just believe anything won't you. Why don't you look up Virta Health or Dr Jason Fung and see for yourself.

                              Authority can tell you whatever you want, they're still wrong on many of these topics and have been wrong about many things regarding nutrition, that's fairly common knowledge at this point. You do know that most of the nutrition studies in the last 50 years were observational and epidemiology don't you? If you know anything about science you must understand that those kind of studies are fairly close to useless. We're getting much more robust studies coming out now. Just wait until the carnivore results start coming out.

                              And please explain why 84% of vegans leave the diet within a few years. It's because of health, or is there something I'm missing? Oh wait, they 'didn't do it properly'. It often takes a few years for you to fully deplete yourself of all the good stuff, then you go back to meat. You should take the time to listen to some ex vegan stories on YouTube. You'll quickly see a pattern form. If you want to have an 'open mind' and be 'tolerant' why don't you give them your ear for an hour or two. They were part of your community at one point so it's the least you could do.

                              You asked about fibre. Well let's give you a quick lesson on fibre. It's not needed. Do you know the history of why fibre was an idea in the first place. I doubt it, but it was disproven later on and then people just assumed it was useful and tried to correlate studies with it from there onward. Kellog was one of the main people push the idea. Couple of links below for you regarding fiber. Many more if you need them, but doubt you'll take a look anyway.

                              Dr Gergia Ede
                              http://www.diagnosisdiet.com/food/fiber/

                              Dr Paul Mason
                              https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xqUO4P9ADI0

                              I don't have any fibre. All my gut issues, constipation, gas, bloating, stomach pains, digestion problems…. completely gone.

                              Vitamin C can be found in beef. Most of it is in organ meats, which most cultures ate a lot of and still do. The only reason people thought that it didn't exist was because the original study didn't test for Vitamin C, so they left the value as '0'. Carnivores only need a small amount of vitamin C anyway, as it's far more important for a plant based gut, way less for meat. So yes, YOU need lots of Vitamin C, us carnivores need very little.

                              And where's all the carnivore dieters with scurvy? Go on, find me some. They should all have it by now including myself. So where is it? We also get a lot of collagen from meats, something you would have limited access to.

                              I also see you've just skipped over oxalates and anti-nutrients once again. I wonder why…

                              • fantombloo on 05/03/2019 - 16:24

                                @[Deactivated]:

                                We were talking about veganism. Most of those articles are about vegetarianism. There's a huge difference.

                                Perhaps if you read them, in context, you'd see they are talking about "strict vegetarianism."

                                epidemiology… If you know anything about science you must understand that those kind of studies are fairly close to useless
                                You asked about fibre. Well let's give you a quick lesson on fibre. It's not needed.
                                So yes, YOU need lots of Vitamin C, us carnivores need very little.

                                Discussion over. Ciao!

                                • [Deactivated] on 05/03/2019 - 16:36
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                                  @fantombloo: It was thoroughly enjoyable. Have a great day!

                                • [Deactivated] on 05/03/2019 - 21:28

                                  @fantombloo: On a final note (couldn't help myself seeing as I enjoyed our conversation so much). Here's an interview with an Aussie farmer who changed from growing crops to raising lamb because he was sick of seeing so many animals die from crop harvesting, in the billions. The two can't even be compared. Please listen, maybe you will learn about just how damaging it is and why eating one cow a year is far less deaths overall. If you speak to any mass monoculture farmer they will tell you the same story. Unfortunately city folk are completely removed from the farming process, but somehow think they can preach that they know all about it. The interviewer recently quite veganism, so he asks a lot of questions you may be curious about.

                                  So vegans have blood on their hands too, in fact a lot more than carnivores (Lierre Keith talks a lot about this too, she was a militant vegan for years). Don't bother replying unless you give it a watch, I'd love for you to understand what really goes on, sincerely I would.

                                  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1kn0VCYt_QI

    • Stivo on 04/03/2019 - 16:24
      +2

      Luckily in Australia most do. In the USA they are fed corn and grains. They market it as a benefit because of taste or something, but in actual fact the grass fed stuff is much better for you (omega3/omega6).

  • tightightight on 04/03/2019 - 14:00
    +4

    Coles is selling grass fed scotch fillet @$39/kg, is this much better @$40 a kilo to be considered a bargain?
    https://shop.coles.com.au/a/a-national/product/graze-grassfe…

    • beigehornet on 04/03/2019 - 14:05
      -1

      Coles fills all meat with water

      • jv on 04/03/2019 - 14:09
        +1

        water is healthy.

        • tightightight on 04/03/2019 - 14:14

          good for these people who is trying to lose weight.
          more water=less kj=less weight gain=more saving

          conclusion, coles watery meat is a bargain

    • Stivo on 04/03/2019 - 16:34

      The stuff at Coles is barely aged a day before its sold. The stuff at a butchers shops is normally ages for some time before its sold. This adds to every element of taste (flavour, texture, tenderness, ect). You will prob notice a difference.

  • jv on 04/03/2019 - 14:08
    +3

    $40/kg for steak isn't a bargain.

    • BondiLion on 04/03/2019 - 14:16
      +1

      When the meat is of this quality it is a bargain.
      You won't find better meat than this and that's speaking from experience, I've ordered from them many times.

  • Jezster on 04/03/2019 - 14:38

    I too have ordered from Sutton Forest Meats and can vouch for their quality. Their steaks are cut thicker than what you get at the supermarket and are more tender and flavoursome.

    If you cook it to medium rare on a hot pan with butter and garlic added at the end, it can't get much better for a meat-eater.

  • maxwellish on 04/03/2019 - 14:41

    Alright, I'm convinced. Ill give them a go. My only hesitation is that I am in Brisbane. Will that effect the meat at all? I've never had meat delivered before.

    • GG57 on 04/03/2019 - 15:00

      Nothing against the product, but consider the food miles. This will add a further 1,000km to whatever has already accrued from the grazing pasture to the retailer.

      I know this is a huge problem in a large country like Australia, but I would personally rather source food from closer to my place of consumption.

    • Jezster on 04/03/2019 - 15:07
      +1

      Yeah, go with a reputable Brissy butcher, imo.

    • CaffeinatedTech on 04/03/2019 - 15:21
      +1

      I like Chop Shop in Brisbane (Forest Lake store specifically). Here's their scotch Fillet. But I really like the picanha. https://www.chopshopbutchers.com.au/product/yearling-rib-fil…

    • eltito on 04/03/2019 - 18:35

      Sorry to hijack this comment, but any recommendations for butchers in Melbourne? I'm in the northern area, near essendon

  • sator on 04/03/2019 - 15:18

    Are the steaks cryovaced separately?

    • GG57 on 04/03/2019 - 15:20

      What's wrong, can't eat 2kg (or share) in one sitting?

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