Ryzen 5 Build Advice

Cave Fire on 16/02/2019 - 20:54
Last edited 16/02/2019 - 22:55

Building the following PC:
Ryzen 5 2600 $235 shipped from Amazon
8gb Gskill ripjaws 3600 - $85.80 Newegg
MSI b450 gaming plus ATX- $144 shipped PC BYTE
Thermal take RGB 700w smart plus psu - $85 umart
Asus Vega 64 $700 - Umart

I intend to buy another 8gb stick of ram when I have the money. Do I really need a 700w psu for the Vega 64? And how would a Rtx 2060 compare? I don't game but will probably play Cyberpunk 2077 when it comes out. Possible to get better prices as well…? About $150 short of buying this. Has anoyone had any success in negotiate slight discounts/freebies?

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  • ozhunter on 16/02/2019 - 21:25

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_3IxsXoVimU&t=662s

    I'd go for the RTX 2060

  • p1 ama on 16/02/2019 - 22:04
    +2

    What do you want to do with the system? Unless your specific application requires OpenCL compute, I'd steer away from the Vega 64. You can get a far superior RTX 2070 for $29 more. https://www.pccasegear.com/products/44321/inno3d-geforce-rtx…. Alternatively, just save the money and go with an RTX 2060. Basically aside from compute, Nvidia have got a lock on the GPU market at the moment. AMD's GPU's are not competitive.

    • N1NJ4W4RR10R on 16/02/2019 - 22:20
      +2

      Don't bother with the 2070, they're pretty worthless next to the 2060.

      It's pretty much the case with 1070ti vs 1080. Practically no gain for a big price bump. Save the $50 - $120/put it elsewhere.

      The vega 64 is absolutely competitive by the way, just not when it's DX 11, requires cuda or in terms of power draw.

      As a side note, if OP wants the games offered via AMD's bundle I'd still recommend it over the 2070. That Innod card seemingly only has bf:v, about $60~. The vega 64 has 3 games, totalling about $260~

    • Cave Fire on 16/02/2019 - 22:29

      I want to edit video and learn 3d drawing and animation. Also interested in VR. Might play the total war hammer games. Computer will probably have a linux distro installed. To be honest a cheap rx 580 like the one posted from amazon would have probably served me well, but I have literally been looking at the vega 64 for six months or so lol. thought prices would have dropped by now.

      • N1NJ4W4RR10R on 16/02/2019 - 22:43

        You just missed out on a deal at Mwave, was $670 :/

        With a linux distro the AMD card may be the objectively better choice. Have heard Nvidia cards are…sub par, there.

        Total war games seem to be fairly unbiased in terms of the GPU manafacturer.

        • Cave Fire on 16/02/2019 - 23:02

          Yeah saw that today. do you think the RTX cards will get better with driver support over time? Thought that vega was at the end of it's cycle but as it is similar to radeon 7, maybe it will get performance increases over time? I do know about undervolting the vega 64 + adding coolers etc to make it behave a bit better.

          • N1NJ4W4RR10R on 17/02/2019 - 00:00

            @Cave Fire: When Linux gets more popular…but that could be a while!

            Vega's on it's end for sure, what with Navi on the way. But really with the leaks/rumours I've been seeing…not sure if Navi will actually hit vega 64 performance.

            You've then got 2070 (generally more expensive, though poster above gave a nice deal. Would recommend looking for reviews on that) or 2060s (slightly less performance for much better power consumption. Actually equals out fairly well performance wise).

            But yeah, that aside my big concerns for you'd be the linux performance. Give it some research, if it's fine go for the 2060.

      • N1NJ4W4RR10R on 16/02/2019 - 22:48

        Something I'll add to my above post, check how important VRAM is to what you want to do. The 2060 has the best value (unless you want the 3 games that come with the vega 64), but has less VRAM.

        Would also recommend looking into how drivers are on linux. As I said above, I've heard they're sub par but I couldn't confirm that.

      • o53djz7qTPY4der on 17/02/2019 - 06:06

        Nvidia drivers for Linux can really be hit-and-miss - mostly miss. Some distros do a great job, for example, Mint, Manjaro. Some do a terrible job, e.g. Ubuntu. Nouveau doesn't really cut it (it can be laggy and stuttery) and you'll have to use the proprietary driver - but it runs like junk - even for the distros that do a good job. If you can use a DE that uses Wayland you'll have a much better time (I believe Fedora and Manjaro (Gnome) do). Wayland helps with all the screen tearing that occurs with Nvidia drivers.

        That said, there are issues with AMD Ryzen CPUs and Linux. You must use a newer kernel or nomodeset when installing. Otherwise distros such as Ubuntu, Debian et al will simply not load or have horrible graphics issues in the install (split screen). A rolling release is probably your friend here.

        My desktop has an i5 and Nvidia card. With Mint Mate it runs great using the propriety drivers and adjusting the window manager. My server is using an AMD 2200G no dedicated graphics. It did have Ubuntu server, which worked for a day - then broke and refused to boot due to an issue with the AMD Chip and the driver in Ubuntu. I changed to a rolling release and LTS kernel and it is stable.

      • N1NJ4W4RR10R on 21/02/2019 - 23:10

        https://www.mwave.com.au/product/asus-radeon-rx-vega-64-rog-…

        Remembered you were looking for this. Just popped back up.

  • User2049 on 17/02/2019 - 08:55
    +1

    Power supply seems like overkill get a 550/650 Corsair 80+ gold instead

    • Cave Fire on 17/02/2019 - 21:34

      was so sure I seen them for $65 somewhere but can't find it now. Found antec 700p for $70.

  • beaver2233 on 17/02/2019 - 13:09

    Definitely recommend going for a dual channel ram setup.

  • smashman42 on 17/02/2019 - 15:31

    The single stick of RAM will nerf the CPU hard for the video editing stuff, if you can cut the video card to a cheaper model (2060? dunno about linux support tho, vega56?) & get two of those sticks at that price that'd be a winner IMO (or a matched 3200 C14-16 set elsewhere, C19 is pretty bad)

    What res monitor will you be running with this? For gaming that'll guide the GPU horsepower you need

    • Cave Fire on 17/02/2019 - 15:41

      Trying to get 16gb or if not buy another stick at a later time. Hopefully a 16gb deal will pop up. Using a basic 1080p monitor for now.

      • smashman42 on 17/02/2019 - 16:42

        Why so sold on Vega64? 16gb dual channel ram is much more important in pretty much every way, especially at only 1080p

        Ryzen is much, much more sensitive to memory bandwidth than Intel - it'll make it run like utter crap. Why skimp on another $100 of ram but buy a $700 GPU? I can't imagine any use case where that makes sense

        • Cave Fire on 17/02/2019 - 17:44

          Well, I'm short by about $80 and have more bills to pay etc. so it makes sense to buy most of the system and then buy the last stick of ram completing it. Up until a few days ago, I thought the rtx 2060 was equivalent to the gtx 1060 6gb.

          • p1 ama on 17/02/2019 - 18:48
            +1

            @Cave Fire: I second what's already been said about Vega 64. Since you asked for advice about the build, I'll try and give you that addressing what you want to do with the system.

            I think the first thing you need to figure out is whether you want to use Linux or Windows and what sort of software you want to use. This is going to be the biggest determining factor in how you allocate your budget to hardware.

            For example, I use Premiere Pro and know the hardware requirements quite well. Something like a Ryzen 5 2600 + Vega 64 (total ~ $750) is a terrible hardware configuration. Premiere Pro prefers Intel CPUs and, on top of that, can take advantage of the iGPU and QuickSync, so my CPU of choice would be a 9600K or 9700K (maybe 8700K if not much more than 9600K), along with an Nvidia card (likely a last gen 1070 or 1070Ti), as CUDA is much better than OpenCL for Premiere Pro. This will get far superior performance.

            If you want to stick to Linux, then there are considerations regarding Nvidia drivers (namely, that they're buggy, troublesome and crap), so that may be a reason why you would want to consider AMD. But even then, I would be looking at the RX 580 or Vega 56, not Vega 64.

            If you look at the Steam hardware survey, https://store.steampowered.com/hwsurvey/videocard/, there's a reason why Vega doesn't even register, whilst almost all of the last-gen GPUs from Nvidia worth buying (1050, 1050 Ti, 1060, 1070, 1070 Ti, 1080, 1080 Ti) feature in the Top 10 GPUs. I wouldn't really bank on AMD doing much with Vega 64 or even the Radeon VII, which was a really disappointing launch. Basically the same price as an RTX2080 with worse performance, not to mention all of the other issues that makes it look like an unfinished product.

            There was a time when Vega was competitive, but the truth is, the Vega 56 is slower than a 1070 Ti and the Vega 64 is around a 1080. The 1070, 1070 Ti and 1080's prices have all fallen dramatically and are available super cheap on the used market. The prices of Vega 56 and 64 have not fallen, this makes them no longer competitive.

            Also, I'm not coming at this from an Nvidia fanboy perspective, I'm running an RX 580 8GB in my system right now and I'm super happy with it. I've also got a 1070 Ti running in another rig. I follow where the value is.

            • Cave Fire on 17/02/2019 - 21:25

              @p1 ama: I just figured that it was a top tier card like similar to a 1070 or 1080, seen heaps of videos on youtube that made me lean toward it I guess. I haven't been into computers since maybe 2010 and built my first pc ever last year. Even doom on a r9 270x was overkill for me the first time I played it. Other than that, if the card can run Metal gear solid V and Total Warhammer 60fps ultra on 1080p then I am happy. Then I would just slowly see what the card could do over time. This would mean undervolting and getting alternate coolers. It may even be that because the vega drivers are open source on linux is what I would need to help learn about shaders etc. However I am open to all options and may even get a basic card and wait till prices die down.

              • p1 ama on 17/02/2019 - 21:47
                +1

                @Cave Fire:

                I just figured that it was a top tier card like similar to a 1070 or 1080, seen heaps of videos on youtube that made me lean toward it I guess.

                It is a top-tier card in terms of performance, but it's too expensive. I'm just pointing out that you can get better value by going with other cards.

                Even doom on a r9 270x was overkill for me the first time I played it. Other than that, if the card can run Metal gear solid V and Total Warhammer 60fps ultra on 1080p then I am happy.

                Then I would personally consider an RX 580 8GB, it seems to be more suited to what you want whilst being far cheaper.

                • DarkOz on 19/02/2019 - 14:13

                  @p1 ama: I second the RX 580 8GB. Initially I wanted a RTX 2060 but I figured it would be an overkill and not value for money. I have finally settled for this https://www.scorptec.com.au/product/Graphics-Cards/AMD/68155… for $299 plus a $280 144hz monitor for literally the same price.

                  The Sapphire Nitro+ RX 580 8GB only came in stock yesterday at Scorptec for a bargain price of $299. It seems it will be sold out soon but I think you can still order in or get delivered.

  • [Deactivated] on 19/02/2019 - 11:18
    +1

    I should emphasise the importance of getting local warranty at least for the first year. I've noticed if nothing breaks in the first year of computing, generally everything lasts for 5+ years.

    Usually you can get umart to match the price on all of it and get it all at one place. Is that umart local to you or do you have another computer store which is local. If you are building a whole system, usually they will price match the whole list of components.

    I also had a quick easy return at umart recently.

    Up to you though, but it's well worth it just to pay a little more like $50 for that piece of mind. Or if they price match locally, basically no difference at all.

  • Cave Fire on 02/03/2019 - 21:27

    Almost finished, up to the psu recommendation. Found Johnnyguru and am getting growled out by him now lol. Thread His recommendation from the following list is Gigabyte P650B. Meant to power a ryzen 2600, tomahawk b450, 16gb ram, ssd, two hdds and the Asus strix Vega 64 OC. got 486 watts based on calculators?

    Thermal take 700w smart RGB
    Antec vp700p
    Cougar stx750
    Silverstone (chosen because of the tier list posted recently)
    600w ST60F-ES230,
    650w et650-b and
    700w st70f es230
    550w et-550g
    Aero cool 700w

    There's also the Corsair VS 650 & MWE 650 which I did not ask him about. So sure I saw these for $65 somewhere, but this is a "ghost" bargain.

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