Hello! I am building a PC and want to know what processor is better (and last longer)
I'll be playing games on it, and doing other things as well (not streaming)
Both are around $400, I want to know what will be better value!
Thank you!
Ryzen 7 2700X or i5 9600k?
Snacky on 25/01/2019 - 14:06
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Will consider, thank you. :)
Go for the 2700x and pair it with a good B450 motherboard and you are good to go.
Any reason over the i5 9600k?
Where did you find the 2700x for 400?
Around $400 like $430 is what I should've said, my bad!
maybe you r looking at 2700 not 2700x
A quick search shows it at $435 for a 2700x
https://www.ebay.com.au/itm/AMD-Ryzen-7-2700X-Processor-16MB…
Intel CPUs are far better for gaming. Check reviews online. 9600k is a great choice.
I know they used to be, but I've heard AMD have made big strides forward in that department. What makes Intel still the king?
Thanks for the detailed reply, super helpful.
Tmk, the i5 will require a CPU cooler and a more expensive mobo to get any value out of it.
Ifbyou can get a 2700x at that price I'd go for it. Beyond better upgrade ability then the i5, it's better value right now due to being good on a cheaper mobo and having a great stock cooler
The AMD stuff is quite competitive these days and still at a cheaper price point that similar Intel stuff. I have had both and would go Intel but only if you can afford it (the whole build that is, not just the CPU as it tends to add up).
If you already have a average/good processor, please wait for Zen 2 :) . If not, then just get the Ryzen 2600. It will provide similar performance in gaming and also less loss in value if Zen 2 really shines. You can also upgrade to a 8 core variant of Zen 2 later.
Which one would you suggest as an upgrade from a 6600k?
i7-6600k is still pretty good. You don't have to upgrade yet. Just wait for Zen 2 lineup.
There's a new leak : https://www.userbenchmark.com/UserRun/14076820 . This 12 core engineering sample has almost the same single-core performance like current ryzen processors but it's already beating i7 9900k in multi-core peformance! Remember, this zen 2 sample was only running at 3.4GHz :| . So, just wait for a few more months for the release. They will be clocked higher than 4.2GHz. And there have been rumors that Ryzen 7 lineup will feature 12 cores and Ryzen 5 will have 8 cores! So, it won't be wise to be a new processor now. Ryzen 7 2700x is an 8 core processor.
If you really want to go for Intel though, then get a good deal on a i7-8700k. It provides similar peformance to i7-9700k. i7-9900k is not worth the money!
I should've clarified, it's an i5 6600k.
@WillRay92: Yes :). i5-6600k should provide decent performance as of now. Should run a bit hotter since it's 100% usage most of the time. What's your gpu?
@WillRay92: Nice :). No bottlenecking for either. May be focus on upgrading your gpu first if you got money for only one of them.
@DealHunterBD: Well I suppose if I upgrade my CPU I'll have to do my Motherboard too, since I doubt my Z170 extreme4 has the support to run a current one.
@WillRay92: Just keep it for a few months ;). And 6600k ain't that behind. Intel's generation upgrade were so pathetic before release of ryzen.
@WillRay92: It all depends on how good a deal you get. For now, just keep the 6600k. And see what Zen 2 brings to the table. After the reviews and benchmarks, decide ;).
I was waiting and just pulled the pin and got a Ryzen 5 2600 with x470 mobo . have a GTX 1080 and runs everything great, Even VR titles I have an oculus rift.
paid $212 for cpu.. will look at putting in Ryzen 3 when comes out but ATM it does really well in Gaming
Good choice!
Thinking of getting the Ryzen 5 2600 now and upgrade to the new Ryzen chips later this year;
Should I buy a cheap B450 motherboard now and upgrade both the motherboard and CPU or buy a X470 and use it and just upgrade the CPU.
I heard X570 will bring new things to the table; PCIE 4.0, better overclocking power etc.
Get the ASUS B350M-A and pair it with the 2600 it's a great combo
@Snacky: Ohhhh sorry meant B450M-A the successor https://au.pcpartpicker.com/product/mJGxFT/asus-prime-b450m-… $125
@User2049: Easy, thanks. Just need something for now as I'm upgrading to the new Ryzen chips later this year. :)
@Snacky: I would wait as I don't see much need to upgrade from the 2600 it's a beast, what are you using it for?
@User2049: I bought a 2070 but my current PC doesn't work with it (mobo/psu) issues, I have a i5 6500 (integrated graphics) as I'm trying to build another computer with better specs so it can run my 2070 as in CPU, mobo, psu and cooling.
@Snacky: A 2600 is a good match, yeah I would go for a 550/650w Corsair semi modular 80+bronze/gold power supply if you need one
Productivity: Ryzen
Gaming: IntelI'm bias to Ryzen because I think it's better bang for buck.
You could even calculate the dollar per frame rate to check.Can't go wrong with either - not like 1 CPU is going to produce 30fps and the other 60fps.
personally, i bought 8700k ES $390 on latest revision, hoping to OC to 5.0. if not going over 4.7 im going to paypal refund
No idea why Im getting negged for buying an ES on latest revision.
There's not much difference between the CPUs you listed. But I'd say 2700x seems a solid build coupled with X470 motherboard.
Thought I'd make an account to specifically address this question considering I work with benchmarking CPUs and GPUs on a daily basis, and have extensively tested both Ryzen and Intel processors.
What processor is best for gaming isn't a simple question to answer. It depends a lot on the GPU you have, the games you play, and the resolution. In terms of gaming where the CPU is the limiting factor, the Intel option will be faster. However most of the time you will not be CPU limited. For example, if your game at 1080p and your GPU is slower than a GTX 1080, there isn't a significant difference between either option.
It's only when you have a GTX 1080 Ti (or RTX 2080 or RTX 2080 Ti) that you will start to see a noticeable performance improvement with the Intel option at 1080p. And if you are playing at a higher resolution like 1440p, even with a high-end GPU there will be next to no difference. However, if you are more interested in esports-type games like CS: GO, Overwatch or Fortnite which are less GPU intensive, even with mid-range GPUs you might find the Intel option is faster.
To summarize, here is what tends to be faster depending on the situation:
1080p gaming with a mid-range GPU - no difference
1080p gaming with a high-end GPU - Intel is faster
1440p (or higher resolution) gaming - no difference
Gaming in less GPU intensive games (eg. esports) - Intel is fasterMoving on to the other aspects of your question. Doing "other things" is not very specific but in general Ryzen processors are faster at productivity tasks. However not in every productivity task, as Intel CPUs still hold a general single-threaded performance advantage. So if you are doing something like video encoding that will use all the cores, the Ryzen CPU will be faster. However if you are more interested in web browsing or editing documents, there will either be no difference, or in some cases Intel will be faster.
What CPU will "last longer" is hard to say. Both CPUs are very capable in today's games and likely will remain so for some time, particularly as both have more than four cores. A very small selection of today's games struggle on quad-core CPUs, but are fine on six-core CPUs or higher. Even if more games begin struggling on quad-cores, both options have more than four cores and should be fine, at least until you might next consider an upgrade.
There are other things to consider when it comes to making this selection. Firstly, unless you are doing heavily multi-threaded productivity work like encoding, there is no advantage to purchasing the Ryzen 7 2700X over the Ryzen 5 2600. In general there is next to no difference in gaming performance between these two CPUs in the situations I mentioned above where there is no difference between either AMD or Intel. This is because, again, you won't be CPU limited. Opting for the 2600 will save you about $150.
Similarly, on the Intel front I'd only recommend the Core i5-9600K if you plan on overclocking. If you don't intend on overclocking, you could save over $100 and get a largely similar experience from the Core i5-8400.
Also when it comes to AMD CPUs, AMD is planning to release a new series of CPUs mid-year (approx. June) that will significantly increase performance. You could wait, but also these CPUs will be drop-in compatible with any AM4 motherboard you buy today. So depending on your budget, you could purchase a 2600 today and upgrade that to a third-gen Ryzen CPU in the next year without needing to replace your motherboard. These new CPUs will likely close the gap between Intel and AMD in gaming.
So my general recommendation would fall into one of two categories:
If you are unlikely to be CPU limited, eg. you have a mid-range system, the Ryzen 5 2600 is the best value option and has the bonus of an easy upgrade path to AMD's new, faster CPUs. I'd choose this option most of the time.
If you have a high-end system, the Core i5-9600K would offer the best gaming performance, however it's also more expensive. I'd choose this option if you want the best performance today AND will be able to take advantage of it today. If you will only be able to harness the extra gaming performance of the Intel CPU in the future, I would choose option one and upgrade to a new Ryzen CPU at that point in the future along with the other upgrades you make
If you narrow down your setup to a more specific configuration I can give more specific advice
First of all, thank you for your detailed response;
I bought a RTX 2070,
I want to buy a Ryzen 5 2600 and a cheap B450 motherboard so I can upgrade the processor and motherboard when the new one's come out. (this june approx)
Or should I buy a X470 and a Ryzen 5 2600 and just buy the new processor? I heard there will be new features in the X570 which seems promising.Thanks!
So with an RTX 2070 it's unlikely there will be a significant difference between Intel and AMD, especially at 1440p or higher.
As for the motherboard choice, you don't necessarily need X470 if you buy a really good B450 board. The question is mostly whether the power delivery system of the board is good enough not just for the CPU you buy now (the 2600) but also future CPUs. An X470 board is more likely to have a top end power delivery system, but there are some very good B450 boards as well. It also depends on whether you plan on overclocking.
I think X470 would probably be the safest bet, though for B450 I would recommend the MSI B450 Tomahawk as that has one of the best available power delivery systems and can be used for 8 core overclocking. For X470 I would go something high-end from Asus, it will last a long time and be suitable for overclocking AMD's 8 core chips with room to grow. As for X570, rumors suggest these boards will support PCIe 4.0 but for gaming that will have no material impact so I wouldn't consider upgrading from the 400 series boards.
I was also juggling between the two and read few articles. https://www.reddit.com/r/Amd/comments/8yzzac/ryzen_5_2600_vs…
This article suggests buy 2600 and as Scorpus suggested to upgrade for a better one this year later with 3rd gen.
( I chose 2700x due to good price during new year and better stock cooler. I will be using it for 2 years and upgrade to zen3 next year at a better price)Either way, you choose, it will be a good decision. I cancelled my 2070 order and might stick to team red (FreeSync and 27" monitor) with their new cards or get 2080.
I highly agree with the r5 2600 recommendation. Especially basing it off the deals here, you could save about $200 (keeping in mind OP aaid the 2700x they found was $430).
Which one would be better?
MSI X470 Gaming Pro Carbon: https://www.pccasegear.com/products/42187 $299
ASUS ROG Strix X470-F: https://www.scorptec.com.au/product/Motherboards/AMD-Socket-… $319Both boards are good
I’d go with whatever offers the best warranty, features for the price and customer supportRead up on warranty articles on forums and make your judgement from there
Asus and MSI are both good reputable companies soo
I’m more biased towards Asus as I’ve had very little issues with Asus boards but MSI are in all honesty just as reliable
Adding on to this:
Gigabyte X470 AORUS GAMING 5 WIFI $319
Asrock X470 Taichi $319And the ones above, which one would be the best?
When I bought mine couple of months ago and compared both, I selected ASUS over MSI due to better UI, price and some other features ( I forgot the details). I bought it from Computer alliance eBay store for $287.
Get the 2700 and overclock it to the preformance of a 2700X.
I tried overclocking 2700x it with stock cooler and results were not that great. whole PC was acting sluggish. I reverted back to standard for now and will wait to try again little ( unless I upgrade the cooler) after upgrading my GPU in coming months.
the 2700x has no headroom. Its OC are terrible.
I have seen a lot of people doing it.
Put a Ryzen 2600 on an x370 board with an AIO cooler and enable XFR2. It'll be more than enough to play any game.
Then spend the savings on a better GPU.
Intel fan boy reporting in.
Intel always
I would still choose Ryzen 7 2700X, if you look at the reviews and statistics. I am 100 percent sure that he is better than Intel.
If you can get 2700x at $400, go for it.