Can You Be Bought? and How Do You Feel about It?

T1OOO on 04/12/2018 - 12:44
Last edited 04/12/2018 - 19:20 by 1 other user

Hi all,

just a bit of a back story i moved to Sydney a few months ago. i found it interesting and moved down from Adelaide to be closer to my brother (well mainly his new born baby). Anyways, i was lucky enough to find a decent job 6 figures and all was good. I work in IT in Adelaide and have been very successful there and was earning almost double contracting where as this is perm. I gave the new employer my word i would stay there for at least 12 months. now for me my word means a lot. So this new company made a few offers, significantly more than what im on, almost $50k more, but i turned them down all down. Thinking back to my word, and integrity It was very hard thing to do but thought i put it to get - and i was happy. After all i am an ozbargainer at heart and Sydney is very expensive so i felt i couldnt be bought! A few days ago, they basically upped the offer and added another $100k ontop. The package is about $300,000 pa. its basically an offer i cant turn down, i realise that and im gona take it, but how do i reconcile my conscious? or is it a non issue for most people? I used to think i cant be bought but now im not sure, i have to take it , this will set me up for life quickly. Have you ever been bought off? whats your price that you coudlnt say no too?

hmmm

update:

Ok just some more info on why I feel bad.

/Brag accusers please turn away.

I was a big fish in Adelaide I was getting over $200k pa (but that was contracting). When I tried to get a job in Sydney, I found it hard, discouraging and generally unpleasant. No one would basically give me the time of day. All the recruiters didn’t know me and made me jump through hoops for non-existent jobs and when I told them what I wanted (which was ever under market) they cut me off and never heard for them or returned my phone calls or emails. These guys gave me a chance and made all this possible. See in Adelaide I had a house paid off and could have retired very soon, working for well I dono why mostly cos its expected and day time tv isn’t that great. The people at the new company were also very nice and down to earth even in the interview, they were very “Adelaidean”. But seeing house prices in Sydney and having to pay so much rent which I hadn’t factored in as much means i wouldn’t have taken it and kept searching so I made a mistake… in hindsight. I consider the opposite, what if I turn it down and stay, will I be happy will I regret it for life? I dono, I really don’t, I suspect probably.

Anyways, I guess I have my answer, the reason why we go to work is for the money, the life it provides and also the freedom we are trying to get, not because we lover it.

oh and if all this was fake id say its $600 or $800 something stupid like that.

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Comments

    • Scrooge McDuck on 04/12/2018 - 21:52
      +16

      What are your other 6.5 languages (genuine curious question)?

      Gibberish, Gobbledygook, Balderdash, Claptrap, Mumbo Jumbo, Hogwash and half of Manglish.

      • T1OOO on 04/12/2018 - 22:40
        -3

        This made me laugh. Up vote.

        • zwolf on 05/12/2018 - 10:39
          +7

          "7 languages" made me laugh too. Was it crap like this on your resume that helped?

          • Ghosteye on 05/12/2018 - 20:31
            +4

            @zwolf: If it's really the 300k range you don't need a resume. People in the industry know your name. I can't ascertain whether this bloke is for real or a troll tbh

          • sobes on 05/12/2018 - 21:37

            @zwolf: OP has been polite throughout this entire thread. Is there any other explanation for your animosity besides tall poppy syndrome?

        • oO0Dam0Oo on 06/12/2018 - 09:25
          +2

          Come on guys.. you going to smash the guy with taunts purely because he is not fluent in English? Half of you likely had family come here as new Australians only to have been subject to the same kind of treatment.

          • Ghosteye on 07/12/2018 - 02:45

            @oO0Dam0Oo: 'I speak 7 languages including the hodge podg of nonsense called English. Biggest rabble held together with sticky tape of any language and I use that term losly. It also shows what’s certain people think is important. I get by by letting these small things slide. Please Talk amongst yourself a though if you think it adds much to the conundrum.'

            Validate this for me please. It just shows how much he doesn't care about proper communication AND I'd be hard-pressed to believe that he managed to climb up any sort of work ladder with this attitude.

            Then again, maybe he was born with a silver spoon, who knows?

  • TheBilly on 04/12/2018 - 15:33
    +1

    Who gives a crap. Leave !

  • garetz on 04/12/2018 - 15:49
    +3

    The IT market is very tight in sydney, if you were making 200k in adelaide on contract, you should be making at least 300-350k here. I wouldnt feel bad about breaking a promise of that nature, basically they were taking advantage of you, them asking you to promise and basically taking advantage of your good nature is what i would consider the immoral thing here.

    You are not being bought, you are being paid what you are worth.

    • T1OOO on 04/12/2018 - 16:06

      $1000-1400 day rate contracts exist but are hard(er) to get. I had considered doing that in the new year in any event.
      the market is paying $750-900 typically. but i dont get leave, sick pay, or other benefits.

    • [Deactivated] on 04/12/2018 - 17:35
      +2

      what field in IT pays 300k? database or systems design? project management? what?

      • T1OOO on 04/12/2018 - 19:50
        -1

        Most at senior or lead levels.

  • [Deactivated] on 04/12/2018 - 21:47

    You made a promise you cannot keep. Perhaps, in future, be realistic with your promise. Tell the prospective employer that you can't promise you'll stay if a significantly higher offer is provided. If you don't get the job, at least you're honest.

    If you don't think you can say that because you fear losing the offer, I guess you should reflect on your esteem of your word.

    I'm not judging. It's a lot of money.

    • T1OOO on 04/12/2018 - 22:36
      +2

      Yep. I agree. I’ve accepted today that I did the wrong thing and promised something I shouldn’t have. I also did the wrong thing in taking the new job. But now atleast that I’ve admited it and realised the error of my way so it sits a bit easier with me. Naive comes to mind. Cheers.

  • exulted on 05/12/2018 - 07:44
    +1

    Give me a hot dog with mustard and onions and a couple of celery sticks and and I'm yours

  • jacross on 05/12/2018 - 08:54
    +1

    Give your boss $10k.

  • DiscoJango on 05/12/2018 - 09:16

    Its like lightning mcqueen: stay with his nice old school benefactors who gave him his first chance, or jump ship just for the $$$

    But yes, $100k is a big diff. I would have this homest convo with the current employer, especially considering the cost of living in nsw

  • cyrax83 on 05/12/2018 - 09:21
    +13

    I can't understand what you wrote

    • Ozsaver88 on 06/12/2018 - 17:02
      +3

      From my notes:
      $200K IT job in Adelaide
      $300K offer in Sydney
      Looking for advice at Ozbargain :) BS

  • SlickMick on 05/12/2018 - 09:48

    Nice of all the ozbargainers to make the OP feel better now that his word means nothing.

    Did we learn nothing from Demi and Woody?

  • uedamasaki on 05/12/2018 - 10:06

    Maybe it's worth examining why you're feeling this way about going back on your 'word'. Seems like most of the above people wouldn't second guess the decision you have made to accept an extra 100k per year.

    Do you feel guilty about the position you put your previous employer in? If so, can you help them out in any way?
    Is it because they'd struggle to fill your position? Can you recommend someone else?
    or is it because you're worried about what they'll think about you as a person? Are they likely to be people who will hold a grudge 6 months down the track?
    Or is it more about how you'd feel about yourself chosing money over principles? Are your principles worth sacrificing this potential extra income and lifestyle?

    Sounds like you've made your decision, but it may help you to come to terms with the decision.

    • T1OOO on 05/12/2018 - 10:55

      yes, all of this is swirling around, just prob looking to justify it (which morally i cant but can at least live with it)

  • MementoMori on 05/12/2018 - 10:17
    +7

    I got to say this post is REALLY hard to follow. I can't tell whether you're in Sydney or Adelaide. Also, how does one move 'down to' Sydney from Adelaide? Sydney is North of Adelaide, wouldn't you move 'up to' Sydney - or do I have this wrong?

    Some punctuation and capitalisation would help readability.

    • T1OOO on 05/12/2018 - 10:54
      -4

      from Adelaide to Sydney. when i say "move down" it just means from the old place to the new, regardless of direction.

    • OhNoUShiz on 05/12/2018 - 20:12
      +1

      Hot air doesn’t need punctuation and capitalisation. You just let it go.

  • RevBargain on 05/12/2018 - 10:23
    +2

    Make sure it is a signed contract with a start date before you tell your current boss. I had a mate who had a signed letter that was missing a date and they kept pushing out the start date even after he'd quit his other job and he eventually needed to pull out 🤦🏼‍♂️
    If I was you, I'd ask to visit and check out the work culture if you haven't already. This will affect your well being more than money.
    Maybe with the company you're in they may capture a good position in the market in 5-10 years time. If you have a fair equity stake then this will be a good reward. My brother in law sold his stake in a IT company for $5m plus… I guess I'm saying you could ask for an increased stake in the company. This tells them you're committed.
    If you don't like the vision of the company, just leave. But do it for more than short term gain

    • T1OOO on 05/12/2018 - 10:53

      that was the reason for my initial turn down.. here it was start up, casual clothes, no time sheets ect…..

      new place was a bit more corporate, contract stipulated no listening to music, but i got that clause stuck out. however, now with the bigger offer, ill listen or not listen to what ever you want 9-5.

  • kokomo1978 on 05/12/2018 - 10:32
    +3

    Are you single? Asking for a friend…..

    • T1OOO on 05/12/2018 - 10:50
      -8

      hahahaha…. yes, and i will be for a VERRRRRYYYYYYY long time , Sydney is just off the hook!

      i got no shortage of relies trying to marry me off.

      • sillyguy on 05/12/2018 - 11:43
        +19

        Dude you can brag about how good you're at your job so random employer is willing to fork out an extra $100K just to get you onboard although you already rejected them the first time.

        And you also whinge about Sydney being expensive while you're earning $200K… are you being serious?

        But this is way out of line… "i got no shortage of relies trying to marry me off."

        It tells me exactly how you are as a person.

        Good luck with the new job.

        • [Deactivated] on 05/12/2018 - 13:07
          +2

          I think he means:

          1. Expensive relative to what he is accustomed to in Adelaide
          2. Taking a stab, perhaps he is of South Asian decent and it is common for relatives to try to set you up, so i think he is referring to the actions of his relatives as opposed to him being selective or too good
  • QW3RTY on 05/12/2018 - 10:50
    +2

    Even with the "clarifying paragraph", I still have no idea what you're trying to say.

    But if somebody wants to pay you $300,000 per annum, good on you mate.

    • T1OOO on 05/12/2018 - 10:51
      -2

      i think your the only one by now, should we wait for the last horse to cross the finish line? or just call it a day?

      • QW3RTY on 05/12/2018 - 10:52

        More money = good!

      • [Deactivated] on 05/12/2018 - 12:20
        +8

        "You're"
        … full of it. You come across as a deluded teenager, not a professional who commands a 300k/year salary.

      • WhyAmICommenting on 05/12/2018 - 12:35
        +1

        You're

  • DiscoJango on 05/12/2018 - 11:18
    +2

    If op was a "big fish" in adelaide, that would make me a small can of sardines in melb

  • johnno07 on 05/12/2018 - 12:06

    What languages do you speak?

    • Duram on 05/12/2018 - 15:54
      +1

      Serbian, Croatian, Bosnian, Montenegrin, English, Australian and American.

      • Ozsaver88 on 06/12/2018 - 17:10
        +1

        And mandarin and cantonese too.

  • thanatos350 on 05/12/2018 - 12:07
    +1

    You seem like a nice guy, OP.

    The issue, as stated by others, is that no business would afford you the kind of value and kindness that you are providing them.

    Cosider the individual to whom you gave your "word". Do you think he/she would remain in their role if they had been offered an additional 100k above their current salary?

    You've been given an extraordinary opportunity and there is no way that any employer would be surprised that you are considering accepting it.

    I am curious though, what exactly do you do in IT to receive renumeration of $300k?

  • drfuzzy on 05/12/2018 - 13:03

    I would simply be truthful to your employer and explain it like you did here. You were committed to 12 months but the market has demonstrated your worth is at the $300k level. I would offer your employer first right to vary your contract to $300k (or close to it) - if they refuse, can't afford it, or both then they have made the decision for you.

  • Trying2SaveABuck on 05/12/2018 - 13:22

    Here is my 2 cents

    I see where you are coming from when you give your word it means something and this company gave you a hand when no one else would in life you should never forget the people that help you when you are down because everyone wants to know you when you are up. - I would feel guilt too

    BUT

    I dont know your situation however I believe this race of life you back self interest your duty is too look after your self and your family ie partner, kids, parents etc

    I would take the money 300k is a load of cash BUT you need to be man/or women enough to tell your current employer exactly why you are leaving and offer them a chance to match the salary and conditions of the new work place. If they cant match it they will understand (they might not like it) but they will understand why you are going but if they match it then its win-win for you.

    You shouldnt feel guilty for looking after yourself but you should feel guilty if you dont give them a chance to hold onto your skills

    As for how i feel about being bought i cant be bought on CERTAIN things i would never shaft my wife/parents/siblings/other close family/best mates for money but anyone else im not proud of it but i honestly could be brought

    NOTE: I WISH I WAS IN IT

  • aussie bargain on 05/12/2018 - 13:25

    Considering the comments, I wonder how many ozbargainers are actually in IT.
    I don't know the Sydney market well, but 300k seems like a very good perm role.

    As per the OP's original question "Can You Be Bought? and How Do You Feel about It?", it assumes that when we work, we are "bought" by employers. People move jobs for different reasons, but if you are only looking at it from a pay perspective and use the term "bought"… then go with the best buyer.. You don't have to feel anything as you are already "categorising" yourself as a commodity to be "bought" and "sold".

    Regardless, my personal approach has always been money talks as I believe that we all work for money (some ppl disagree as apparently some people work for recognition etc). So go and take the higher offer. As for feeling like you are going back on your words… things change and situation change. What if you have to quit, move back to XXX to be with your sick mom/dad?
    As with what others have said, go to your employer and say i'm getting this offer and i intend to take it… it's really good. They can then counter you with something if they want to.
    Don't ever worry about going back on your words as I am sure that your boss/company will probably go back on their words sometime in the future. That's called life.

    Your boss (or some others in the company) may get upset, but if you explain to them carefully and openly about the situation, they will probably understand and you're not burning any bridges.

    Good luck.

  • [Deactivated] on 05/12/2018 - 14:02
    +13

    Has Ozbargain become a forum to brag about peoples own high income and exciting dilemma's?
    "Hi all, I earn 1 billion dollars, should I buy a private jet or an island… I'm soooo stressed!!"

  • Zachary on 05/12/2018 - 14:12

    i feel jelly with ur 300k salary….i think i should get into information technology as well….

    • danyool on 06/12/2018 - 01:14
      +1

      Don't worry, he's paying heaps more tax now too!

      • Zachary on 06/12/2018 - 04:04
        -4

        …yeah but he can just claim them back after doing a tax return…..every July or whenever you're suppose to do them - can't remember the last time I did mine…..but I don't even pay tax coz I'm below the threshold, so there's no need for me to lodge one…..

  • g4z on 05/12/2018 - 14:29

    Speak to your current employer that you are getting an offer elsewhere. But if you are happy where you are, why would you want to change…..

  • This Guy on 05/12/2018 - 14:47
    +2

    Get the $300,000 package in writing with a start date before telling your current employer.

    Do not play yourself by telling them earlier.

    Your current employer asked for an annual commitment because they knew they were under paying you. They have acted in bad faith. Give them the opportunity to counter if you want to stay there, after you get your written offer with start date from the new place.

    The new job sounds like it will be a toxic hell hole. Your music exception will be removed in no time as it is bad for office dynamics to have visible rule exceptions for one or two people. Make sure everything from the new employer is in writing with a start date.

    Good luck!

  • Typical16-bitEnjoyer on 05/12/2018 - 14:50
    +3

    Do it.

    A while ago I wanted to do a year long trip overseas. Employer was desperate to keep me from going to a competitor on my return (work in a specific industry) so agreed I'll go a max 6 months and return to them. Both of us seemed happy.

    Of course upon my return I go in and find out they hired a replacement and weren't going to give my old position back. Never mentioned it when I called them before returning. No opportunity to get a headstart on job hunting, I'd returned at a bad time of year for opportunities and I honestly probably would have stayed overseas longer.

    Your current employer could go under overnight and they wouldn't give a crap about you.

    Do what's best for you.

  • field1985 on 05/12/2018 - 14:54
    +2

    How is this a question? Tell your employer about the offer, allow them to make a counter-offer, then pick one.

    But I can smell bullshit in this post. How can you possibly get a "high-level" IT job? You can barely construct a proper sentence, can't use grammar and your spelling is atrocious… I wouldn't give you an interview in a fast-food restaurant. But maybe the standards in Adelaide are much, much lower..?

    • ely on 05/12/2018 - 20:48
      +1

      Writing skills != technical skills. I've seen plenty of devs that can't spell to save themselves (although OP does seem unusually challenged in this regard).

    • TightTerry on 07/12/2018 - 11:06

      AS someone who works in IT he would have to be a pretty niche tech on a day rate contract to be earning that money with grammar like that. Very possible though. I wouldnt say he is working in consulting, management or project management though.

      • parneli on 08/12/2018 - 18:42

        My Chief Technologist in a medium size utilities company ($200k+) has some of the worst grammar I have ever seen he can still talk the talk and landed the job, probably goes to show how flawed the recruitment processes are.

  • weee on 05/12/2018 - 15:01
    +6

    I miss old OZB with cheap people, too many rich immigrants these days.

    • gimme on 05/12/2018 - 16:15
      -5

      You mean many hard working and/or smart and/or creative and/or enterprising people earning an income that may be outside your reality?? Tall poppy syndrome alive and well!!

  • gimme on 05/12/2018 - 15:03

    Haven't read the comments

    There's no such thing as corporate loyalty so I won't be bothered by that. BUT how your integrity impacts your own sense of self is another story. The decision should be how it makes YOU feel vs whether you have made a promise to a compan.

  • vroomkroom on 05/12/2018 - 15:06

    OP, 300K is a lot of money. If you are comfortable with the pressure that brings then what's stopping you ? If its integrity then you have have a chat with your current employer about the offer and give them a chance to match. These days recruiters always ping you on linkedIn and entice you with something all the time. FYI- I think more money = more pressure.

  • Excelsior on 05/12/2018 - 15:06

    As you can already tell, most people will have too much pride to admit it, or have not been in situations where they are presented an opportunity that would potentially make their lives a whole lot better.

    I guarantee you almost everyone will have their price. I'm not afraid to admit I do. If a potential employer came along now and offered me a 50% increase I'd take it (given if it also fits within my goals/aspirations etc). No matter how you look at it, money does and always will make the world go round.

  • d86 on 05/12/2018 - 15:57
    +3

    Sounds like a BS to me.

  • Plug on 05/12/2018 - 17:05

    Have a chat with your current guy and explain the situation and what you've been offered. If they're straight up they'll probably just wish you well.

  • prinsenhof on 05/12/2018 - 17:16

    If you feel that bad, then take the new job and donate $100,000 to charity from your first years salary.

    • gimme on 05/12/2018 - 17:32

      or just bypass the middleman and hand the 100k over the charity's executives.

  • GrantG on 05/12/2018 - 19:05

    So you were on >$200k in Adelaide contracting, moved to a permanent position in Sydney for almost half the salary (assume current role is ~$120k-$150k?) And now have an offer of $300k. That is one hell of a pay jump, I'm sure your current employer will understand, some offers are too good to turn down.

  • MessyG on 05/12/2018 - 19:40

    If your conscience is bothering you that much why don't you just tell your employer and see if they can give you a bit of a payrise? Or some other perk? They sound lovely to work for, they sound like they've looked after you - it's not just about your morals or even the money, it's about who you like working with. Sydney employers can be next level horrible - it sounds like you've found a good one that's paying you well, who may be able to pay you a little more. I wouldn't look at the gross yearly amount either, look at your take-home pay and how much tax you'll be paying. What is your plan if you go to the new place and they restructure you out? There's a lot of that going down. I got some really good career advice a long time ago - go to the place where you get along with people the best. It may not pay as much but your quality of life will be far better.

    Although just thinking about what my 'price' would be. It would be a dollar figure that would cover my expenses plus a bit extra for discretionary spending, but mainly it would be flexible hours so I could get more time with my husband and kids without losing any money.

    • sydsm on 05/12/2018 - 20:20
      +1

      I also highly echo with your comments. Culture fit, working hours are the non financial aspects to consider.

  • sydsm on 05/12/2018 - 20:19

    The best way to look at it this way - If you don't take it, somebody else will. AND I work in senior executive recruitment. Big Fish or not, you will be forgotten and people will move on (including your current employer). Do your research on the potential new company, culture etc - if you see there is a genuine fit, take it (because, again, somebody else will take it and earn that extra $100k).

  • [Deactivated] on 05/12/2018 - 20:31
    +1

    its basically an offer i cant turn down,

    No such thing. When it comes to integrity and one's word it's essentially a promise. My integrity cannot be bought. There is no ammount of monetary advantage which could ever change this.
    I was offered, if I recall correctly, $5,000-$20,000 a week to do something at odds with my personal values and integrity. This was many years ago now, and sure for a period of time I did kind of consider it, then ultimately declined.
    It might be old fashioned to be a man of your word, but imo it is the best way to be:) .
    Are you going to say to the people you gave your word to "I got an offer I couldn't refuse" ? (Even though that's not true and of course you could keep your word, even if it means less monetary gain) . How would you feel if the shoe was on the other foot ? And someone promises something to you and gave their word, then scrapped it because of personal monetary gain.
    Business is business, but your word is your word. I believe integrity has to be held in higher significance than business.

    • T1OOO on 06/12/2018 - 07:27

      This is what I feel too. Deep down. I know right from wrong. But I’m too tempted to do the wrong thing.

      • [Deactivated] on 06/12/2018 - 10:23

        But I’m too tempted to do the wrong thing.

        The true test of integrity is not when it is easy.

        For example, 1 might say that someone born into immense wealth is honest because they would never steal or do something dishonest for reason of financial advantage (but then why would they, or anyone on that position, because they have lots of money, so financial incentives are never considered). The true test would be if this same person was to be pennyless all of a sudden, if they would still remain honest and act with integrity.
        In your case, though not super rich, not poor either, you seem to be at that point where you are 'pushed' but it is up to you to decide whether you will stand for principles, or not.

        • TightTerry on 07/12/2018 - 11:09

          Hes changing IT companies not going to Africa to harvest diamonds or smuggling people from Europe.

          Big business is a dog eat dog word, your conundrum doesnt sound like an uncommon one. Think of yourself and the money

          • [Deactivated] on 08/12/2018 - 05:38

            @TightTerry:

            Hes changing IT companies not going to Africa to harvest diamonds or smuggling people from Europe.

            It is a slippery slope, to begin bending one's core beliefs and morals. It is obviously important to OP to be a man of his word and act with honesty and integrity. If he crosses that line, it make it easier to cross another and another, and so on (ie. That slippery slope)
            How much money would you have to be saving, to buy a 'blood diamond' ?
            Is it OK, if you buy it from a store and you weren't the 1 that smuggled it, just someone further down the line that saves money because of it.

    • [Deactivated] on 08/12/2018 - 20:17
      +1

      First post I've seen like this so far but honestly didn't even expect any on Ozbargain. So many comments basically say 'the company would screw you over' but that's not the point. It's not about the company it's about yourself. It's this other people are dicks therefore it's ok for me to be a dick mentality that makes the world such a crap place sometimes.

      A lot of things we own can be sold for a reasonable price but I refuse to sell my integrity, dignity and pride. Once they're gone, once I know I can be purchased, then I own nothing, not even myself and whilst I know this is nothing too major, once you've sold out, it's gone, you'll never get it back. You know that I was bought at one time. As you've said, it's a slipper slope, once you start, where do you stop

  • ely on 05/12/2018 - 20:45

    Who's the new employer and what's your specialty? That's a lot more than I'm on and I don't get paid badly!

  • plentifoo on 05/12/2018 - 20:51
    +4

    I call bragpost too. OP could've easily conveyed the dilemma without mentioning dollar values if he genuinely wanted advice. /jelloresponse

    • T1OOO on 06/12/2018 - 07:29

      Nah money had to be there. It’s different if it’s hey my job is $&65k I was offered $80k what should I do ?? The $ is significant to the narrative not the brag. Your all strangers. So what do I care about bragging ?

  • Xiaomi on 05/12/2018 - 23:37
    +11

    You sound like a narcissist pig. You brag about your apparent dilemma on a frugal forum, and constantly undermine women. How fortunate for your employer

    you will marry a pretty hot chick, trust me you will,.. no one will turn down heaven, but those genes are good for one thing, looks, not intelligence, you will have pretty kids, but they will be dumb as bt sht.

    You are next level pathetic

    I call total bullshit on your post. You previously posted here you want 4K movie rentals for $1 as you cannot 'proceed to pay $40 Us or $60 Au'

    You are a specialist in I.T but in that same forum threat you seem to know nothing about encryption as a user mentioned,

    You're a total hoax and a pig.

    • T1OOO on 06/12/2018 - 07:30
      -3

      You made me laugh. Even if I was on $500k I refuse to pay $60 for a movie I’ll watch just once! That’s just me!

      • cyrax83 on 06/12/2018 - 09:44
        +2

        You sound like a douche who can't type a structured sentence to save your life. I'll pay you $60 to go away.

        • T1OOO on 06/12/2018 - 09:44
          -2

          yep, coz im an oz bargainer?

          yep i get that all,… worse than Hitler and all, i agree.

          • cyrax83 on 06/12/2018 - 09:52
            +1

            @T1OOO: I somehow think you are full of crap

            1. You want massages for free
            2. You want cheap or free $1 movies
            3. Asking for advice on a bargain basement "value for cash" 42-50" TV.

            Now you are wasting everyone's time. I call BS on this post, or you are the cheapest $300k income earner in the country.

            • T1OOO on 06/12/2018 - 10:03
              -5

              @cyrax83: hang on a second… i am NOT on $300k - i havent started anything yet.

              i said i was on $200k contracting in SA that is NOT that great actually, its standard rate.. people have attested to alot more in IT and i took a job for low/mid 100's in Sydney.. what the hell is with all this hate… the money i got offered is something i didn't think was possible…

              i am not cheap, i like value for money and dont like wasting money, what is wrong with that ? this is why the forums exist!

              I still would love to set up a 4k bluray club so we can all share these movies for free actually!

              oh and i only now just bought the 65" hisense for $950 with the last discount..

              bloody hell, what grief!

              anyways, ive got a job to do!

              / jk reading that my monocle nearly fell off!
              / http://www.partyfeverltd.co.uk/media/catalog/product/cache/1…

            • auna on 06/12/2018 - 19:37
              +3

              @cyrax83: Ok I’m convinced he’s a liar or at best inept. No way in hell would any I.T. Person want such a bad TV. Much less one with that much money. If he is telling the truth, I am not jealous of him at all.

              • T1OOO on 06/12/2018 - 19:55

                @auna: or perhaps given he spent close to $10k relocating buying things like a fridge, washer, dryer, bed (it was really fun sleeping on a mattress on the floor for a week!), couches, tables, chairs, ect…. he couldn't afford anything better and the price was too good for the size?. Also i spend most of my time on my PC, a nice Philips 43" 4K - as im a dev!, so i dont see how you could be further from the truth, the clues are all there , you just chose to ignore them and made an incorrect concussion. btw, my tv in adelaide was a 42" i picked up from big W so many years ago from this site for $299! only used it for footy the odd movie with mates while having a beer, THIS tv is AMAZING!!!!

  • happirt on 06/12/2018 - 11:10

    this is a bargain site, and you sound like a rip off….

  • JTTheMan on 06/12/2018 - 13:26
    +3

    I give up on this topic!

    I believed it at first but after a few comments I question what sort of idiot complains about being offered a $300K job on an OzBargain forum?

    If you had any conscience ("not conscious"!) you wouldn't use a forum like this to brag (if it's actually true?) or make up such a story. That's really what you should feel guilty about!

  • centrelink on 06/12/2018 - 14:26

    Do you work more or is it the same or less? Perhaps with that income you could just travel back to your desired town every weekend and have both

  • daft009 on 06/12/2018 - 15:10

    if I was your employer I would want you to tell me and I'd say go for it but I would be shocked.
    you need to do whats best for you, the employer will probably try and put the guilt trip on you (initial shock & all) but its not fair.

  • lltravel on 06/12/2018 - 15:51

    lmao turns down 50k more and then asks if he should turn down 100k..

    seems legit.

  • AlanHB on 06/12/2018 - 16:16

    Although I understand the concept of integrity, when it comes to career choices, do what is best for you. It is ok to be selfish.

    Yes your current job may be salty, but they'll get over it in a very short period of time.

  • sam91 on 06/12/2018 - 16:50

    As Scarface would say "Why don’t you try sticking you head up your ass…and see if it fits". Haha You come across as a (profanity) wit OP

  • futureminime on 06/12/2018 - 16:54

    In terms of how do you reconcile your conscious?

    I would suggest that you look at it from 2 sides. If a company can afford and is willing to pay you 300k vs 100k then the first company has had a really good deal in terms of what the market is asking for your skillset. Its not as if they were taking advantage of you, at the time it was mutually beneficial, but don't feel like you're taking advantage of them. That's the point of contracts. As tshow mentioned going forward, in the future choose your words more carefully but I don't think anyone could hold that against you. Keep in mind that they should be making good money off you if someone else can afford the extra 200k.

    Personally, my focus to ensure I was fair to the first company would be open about the reason - I'm getting a significantly higher offer that I can't refuse. Secondly, give them the offer to counter (if they offered 275k I might be tempted to stay to at least complete the year, but I assume they can't) and lastly make sure you do everything you can in your month of notice.

    I see you've accepted the offer. Good luck in the new year!

  • Ozsaver88 on 06/12/2018 - 16:55
    +1

    For goodness sake, look at the mirror mate, I think we know you.

    You are the same spam that brought us:

    "My $80K car straight out of uni is a high yielding investment"

  • T1OOO on 06/12/2018 - 17:59

    Thanks to all that provided (constructive) comments and input, I really appreciate it.

    I feel at ease with my choice now. Hopefully this sets me up for life and i dont have to worry too much about it. Im just using work to get what I want out of life and the financial reward from it, I guess ultimately that’s why we give up so much of our time, not for the sheer pleasure – that just helps. I should have not given my unconditional word, ie if I won the lotto id also be out of there, so context i guess was important. I also feel having turned down the first offer saw me stick to my word (at least initially, which was also a hard decision).

    I don’t get some of the people with so much spiteful hate in them. Really, I know it’s the internet but jumping to conclusions and using those illogical and unsound conclusions to attack and judge me is a bit much. I hope you reflect on what you have done, “narcissistic pig” still hurts but end of the day you can have whatever opinion you want about me and I can too, that’s your/my right, but just consider how that affects others (me).

    Generally, I’m a very nice guy, perhaps too nice as this didn’t originally sit well with me, and what I’ve done. I go guess I realise it wasn’t the right place to post, on a site for being financially scrupulous, kind of like no honour among thieves, but there were some nice & thoughtful people so thank you. Apologies for not spell checking but I don’t have the time and usually just mash it out on the iphone in between trips.

    Anyways, thanks all for taking the time, it wasn’t a hoax or , what’s the word ? catch-fish post? Sock puppet? I dono what ever you think it was real and legit. I would have preferred those people that were doubting me to have asked how I got to this position career and financially wise, I would have been more than happy to share some tips and tricks. But most of all above everything, ive learned to shut my mouth. Its hard but size up the room and know your place. That’s all ill say.

    Oh, and to the chap wanting to know the languages:

    English, (Japanese and German – thanks to 5 years in high school learning them) Russian, Macedonian, Ukrainian, Bulgarian, Serb, Croat – well all the Slavonic/Cyrillic tongues as they are basically dialects of the same thing. However, even in those countries they have their own dialects so some are no as fluid as others, kind of like English, to American, and Australian (and differences between states), ect.. but not to that soft extent as a lot has changed the furthered you go away from the origin over hundreds of years.

    Have a nice day everyone.

  • EyyBanane on 06/12/2018 - 18:10

    OP, Interested to know how you doubled your income from 2015 to 2018?

    • T1OOO on 06/12/2018 - 18:18
      -1

      I took a pay cut to work in government (salaries) for a friend who was a manager. Then went back to contracting. These are standard figures.

      • EyyBanane on 06/12/2018 - 18:24

        May I ask what daily rate are we talking about when you say 200k p.a? And the IT speciality, if you don’t mind?

        • T1OOO on 06/12/2018 - 18:29

          In SA I never had a day rate. It was $108 a hr inclusive of super. Senior Dev but did a bit of everything - people and communication skills were key (yes I see the irony in how I come off here). I was luck I got 2 long term contracts back to back. think back what big cap x project what was in the news at the time ? Public sector ? Then last one before moving was private billion dollar multi-national with cash to splash. I was one of s tream of senior devs. Oh and I pulled in a lot of over time. Not the standard 37.5hrs but 42-45hrs.

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