Seagate IronWolf 8TB 7200RPM 256MB Cache SATA NAS Hard Drive $295.20 + Delivery (Free with eBay Plus) @ Shopping Express eBay

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Seagate IronWolf 8TB 3.5" 7200RPM 256MB Cache SATA Internal NAS Hard Drive HDD
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Optimised for NAS enclosures with AgileArray, enables dual-plane balancing and RAID optimisation in multi-bay environments.
Multi-User technology for increased user workload rate
24×7 always on, always accessible with NAS enclosures
Actively protect your NAS with IronWolf Health Management.
Rotational Vibration (RV) sensors.
1M hours MTBF, 3-year warranty.

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  lyl-Lychee on 03/12/2018 - 22:17

  Can anyone vouch for the reliability of these? I know WD reds are the gold standard.

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    Pielo on 03/12/2018 - 22:34

    +6

    I have 6 of these in a NAS. They have been running for over 12,000 hours so far. No problem at all.

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      Xizor on 03/12/2018 - 22:45

      +1

      Mine are starting to get bad sectors after 6 months out of nowhere. Very light use in a NAS. Toshibas and WD reds still fine. Ymmv but i avoided seagate for a long time until these and hesitant to buy anymore.

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        ramboando on 04/12/2018 - 13:05

        That's always been my opinion (rightly or wrongly) about Seagate.

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    fishball on 03/12/2018 - 22:57

    +1

    Funny enough for me a WD red and a toshiba died this year (10TB & 8TB), my seagate (8TB) only been in the bay for 5 months hoping it stays ok.

    I've had great experience with WD red 8TBs though so who knows.

    Your best bet is to have a UPS'd raid 6 as well as a regular backup solution and go for a mix of drives so they don't all fail at the same time.

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      lyl-Lychee on 03/12/2018 - 23:26

      Thanks man. True with the UPS - I really should find one soon. Not trusting the old power wiring in my home.
      I'm also new to raid (I'm a late learner) and was going to go raid 1 cause I thought it' be most reliable? And mix of drives as in different brands and capacities?

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        fishball on 03/12/2018 - 23:44

        +2

        Raid 1 is extremely reliable but you sacrifice a lot of space to do it. Fault tolerance is n - 1 drives, very high but really expensive.

        Raid 6 requires at least 4 drives and the more you put it the less space you sacrifice ie. (1 - 2/n) space efficiency. Fault tolerance is 2 drives for raid 6.

        Different drives can be same brand just different batch of drives. So maybe you buy some seagate in January then next time it's June. Different brands also work, you just don't want them to all fail at the same time during raid rebuild (can take days to weeks if massive raid size).

        Tl;dr raid 1 is a waste of time & money if you have a decent backup solution. Raid 5 is also a waste of money and time since it only has 1 drive redundancy and is super risky. Raid 6 is generally the best bet for small-mid sized home raid setups imo.

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          racingmiku on 03/12/2018 - 23:52

          @fishball: what is the best config for 4 drives now? 4 x 8TB? considering budget as well.

          is 8TB best priced compared to 10TB or 12TB?

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            fishball on 04/12/2018 - 00:00

            @racingmiku: 12 and 14s are still way expensive, not worth it unless you really need the space but can only have 4 drives.

            10s are like around $40/TB
            8 in this post is $36.86/TB

            I'd go for the 8s.

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              racingmiku on 04/12/2018 - 00:08

              @fishball: Any ideas where i get 10s at lowest price? I looked around ebay, i think it is cheapest at 404 each?

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              Major Mess on 04/12/2018 - 15:07

              @fishball: With seagate the 8TB use twice the power of 4TB. The 10TB being newer technology and Helium filled, has power usage closer to the 4TB drives. I have been waiting on the 10TB to get a little cheaper, but will probably have to start biting the bullet at the current rate.

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            Bob81 on 04/12/2018 - 02:01

            @racingmiku: <=4 drives - Raid-5. >4 drives Raid-6. Pool <=8 Drives. >8 drives, made additional pool.

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          lyl-Lychee on 04/12/2018 - 00:36

          @fishball: Thanks for all the advice, much appreciated. Everything you say makes utter sense.
          I did wonder if raid 1 was overkill for a household. I just have a huge collection of incredibly sentimental files (photos mainly) and rare media, so didn't want to compromise on risk of loss. But as you mentioned, I'd benefit more from backing up more frequently and getting a UPS. (Cloud storage scares me cause of privacy and data theft.)
          I'm gonna do a lot more research into raid-6 now. Thanks tonnes.

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            Major Mess on 04/12/2018 - 15:11

            @lyl-Lychee: Raid 1 can help for a server OS drive. Has got me straight back up and running twice over the last few years - once for 500GB end of life(bought a spare and had it waiting for 8 years). Then with 2x120GB SSD, where I stuffed up with a driver for a pcie card, but had broken the set before hand just in case.

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            tm001 on 04/12/2018 - 16:03

            @lyl-Lychee: LymeLychee - If you have such precious data you definitely should have offsite backup!
            I got a TrueCrypt (but it can be VeraCrypt or even BitLocker) encrypted 8TB HDD sitting in a draw at my work.
            If anything happen to your house (flood, fire, burglary, vandalism,…) you have backup somewhere else.
            I got also most (non X rated :-) ) photos in Cloud as well, nothing wrong would happen if someone would get access to it.

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              lyl-Lychee on 04/12/2018 - 23:52

              @tm001: Point taken. I'm looking to automate backup to cloud storage soon as I get the NAS up and running. Got some complimentary dropbox space from ozbargain'ing lot of gizmos this year.
              Cloud storage stills scares me though. There are a lot of psycho-assholes in the world, and seems like every second week there's a news headline along the lines "[insert major tech company here] reports biggest security breach in history."
              But I totally get where your coming from and appreciate the advice. Really liking the idea of an encrypted HDD somewhere away from home, that sounds perfect. I've just gotta find a place to stash.

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      ramboando on 04/12/2018 - 13:07

      What would be the WD gold (red?) standard for use in a home NAS enclosure? Predominantly used as a media streamer and backing up photos + video footage.

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        fishball on 04/12/2018 - 13:19

        +1

        WD Reds are fine. I use plex at home too and have some WD reds.

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    garetz on 04/12/2018 - 00:21

    +2

    WD reds arent actually that good, they have about a 5-10% failure rate over 3 years. I would consider the Ironwolfs better than wd reds, ironwolf is about 2-3% failure rate. This is at the 8-10tb range, in the 4-6tb range the reds are higher reliability.

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      lyl-Lychee on 04/12/2018 - 00:40

      That I did not know. Thanks for that. I've got 2*4tb reds coming in and may bite on these too, so what you say works hella perfect for me.

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    FuRyZ on 04/12/2018 - 12:57

    I have 8 of the 8TB Ironwolfs in my home server. Been solid for over a year now. I would argue the Ironwolfs are the gold standard these days. Backblaze data is showing the Reds are performing quite poorly in reliability.

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    Viospeed on 04/12/2018 - 14:02

    I had a WD red 4TB go on me last month. It was 2.5 years old and came with 3 year warranty. I'm currently going through the warranty process now, I was told it was going to be sent back to WD to get refurbished and would take a month.

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  furrytoy on 03/12/2018 - 22:34

  +1

  Seagate drives are just as good as WD. If you would like some stats to back that up you : https://www.backblaze.com/blog/2018-hard-drive-failure-rates…

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    lyl-Lychee on 03/12/2018 - 23:29

    Nice, thanks for that. I'm guessing the build quality difference between brands nowadays isn't as pronounced as before.

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      Tacooo on 04/12/2018 - 07:33

      People are just scared and going on old information that's still getting passed around. After Fukushima the Seagate plant was seriously crippled hard and their QA had gone to shit for a while (I mean, they just had a tsunami and a mini Chernobyl hit them, can you blame them?). That however was resolved years ago but people keep quoting old "facts" to back up their biases.

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        Skramit on 04/12/2018 - 13:59

        lol "mini Chernobyl"

        calm down.

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          Tacooo on 04/12/2018 - 14:05

          @Skramit: I see you're not a fan of hyperbole.

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  noshopping on 04/12/2018 - 01:28

  +2

  Bought a few Seagate ironwolfs and WD reds. Had 2 reds failed in the past 12 months, not good, esp when I always held WD in high regard and Seagate was considered a lower quality brand, seems like all the negative press over the years did good for Seagate R&D.

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  Justaddgrum on 04/12/2018 - 22:43

  All my 2 and 3 tb WD Greens are nearing 40khours. Just started backing them up with these. I hope they can even last half as long!

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    garetz on 05/12/2018 - 00:58

    Ive got an old 3tb green thats at 70k hours.

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  SalvageEverything on 05/12/2018 - 03:47

  Wow, 8TB drive. Haven't seen these. I wonder if they are reliable

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    Eric G on 05/12/2018 - 13:14

    -4

    Never, ever buy Seagate mechanical HDDs.

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  AssociatedSeagateSurfer @ Shopping Express on 06/12/2018 - 02:22

  Keep in mind when installing drives.

  What is Electrostatic Discharge (ESD)?
  ESD or static shock’ is the transfer of electrical charge in an imbalanced high voltage field on a non-conductive surface (for example your hand, the carpet or your screwdriver) that has just moved to a conductive surface in a rapid, uncontrolled fashion, either through direct contact or through an induced electrical field. It is the phenomenon that gives you a mild shock when you walk across a carpeted floor and then touch a doorknob. While this discharge gives a harmless shock to humans, it is lethal to sensitive electronics. Hard disc drives (HDD) are also severely affected by ESDS because HDD is an electromagnetic device with many sensitive IC components Some Examples ofstatic’ Voltage
  • 3,000 volts - below which the average human doesn't even feel it
  • 8,000 volts - yawning and stretching with clothes on
  • 15-20,000 volts - shoving a plastic-coated box across the carpet with foot
  • 18,000 volts - getting up from a foam cushion on a nylon-covered couch
  • 35,000 volts - just walking on a typical carpet
  How ESD Damages Your Drive
  ESD damage occurs when a charge on a hand or tool finds a path of lesser resistance for itself to a HDD. As the
  current flows to the HDD, if the maximum amount of energy that parts of the HDD can dissipate is less than the
  energy of the charge, then damage may occur.
  In a HDD, the small metal gold-coloured trace on the circuit board, which are made to handle minute amounts of
  voltage, can be blown apart. Even more frustrating, if the damage is only partial, the signal which is supposed to
  go through the path may become intermittent, causing degradation of the signal and STRESS for you!

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  TerraFlop on 06/12/2018 - 16:37

  do you guys get worried getting hard drives shipped? always feel like the more shipping especially consumer class shipping the worse for the reliability?

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    roh008 on 08/12/2018 - 14:10

    amazon used to (might still do) ship an HDD in bubble wrap and put in a box - that's it.
    The g force (shock) a HDD can withstand when not plugged in is quite high.