Does anyone have access to CarSales info? (days advertised, etc)

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CarSales.com.au

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  Xiaomi on 05/11/2018 - 21:41

  I fully expect that I won't be able to get the info

  Call the car dealership and ask them how many days it's been there. Generally, they're open to tell you that. It's not a big secret.

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    enigma48 on 05/11/2018 - 22:51

    Good point - I expect not to get the real answer (why not just tell me it’s really recent since I can’t officially check) but I could just ask.

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  [Deactivated] on 05/11/2018 - 21:55

  +1

  Waiting for our resident car salesman to respond. This will be right up his alley.

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  zathras on 05/11/2018 - 22:18

  If you are buying or selling you can find car price info on redbook.com.au. That will give you an idea if a price on carsales is over or under the average.

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    enigma48 on 05/11/2018 - 22:49

    +1

    Thanks - RedBook is all over the place with valuations, I used it in general but carsales seems a bit more ‘real world’ based on a few car guys I spoke to.

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    8200 on 07/11/2018 - 20:14

    +1

    Redbook have never, and never will buy a/your car, they\ prices they display are total rubbish

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  spackbace on 06/11/2018 - 04:25

  Yep, LiveMarket. Only the dealers have access to that

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  Flanders on 06/11/2018 - 11:07

  The single most interesting and useful inside info IMO…. Is that dealerships sales staff, management, dealer principle (aka owner) , often get massive bonuses for reaching a target . Eg. They might they might get 2 x $10,000 Rolex watches and a 50k cash bonus, for selling 50 of certain vehicle within timeframe. If you were to buy from them when they are at 48 sold, and a few days left in the timeframe, they can actually sell below cost and come out ahead, because they get the bonus for selling 50.
  I'm not certain how honest your saleperson will be, but IMO if they really have to contact manager to comfirm if they can make the deal, well your probably cutting into their profits significantly.
  Maybe some salepersons would claim they aren't sure if they can do it, I have to call manager and check etc, but it all be a ruse.
  If you can discover these incentives/bonuses that the manufacturer is offering to the dealership and it's staff, that would be most helpful (particularly of you can find out the deadline for selling XX amount of car, then I would go into different dealserships shortly before the sales bonus deadline) . I think with the 2 Rolex's example maybe 1 of the watches went to top sales person that month or something. With the 50k bonus when target was met, a certain percentage of that would go directly to manager (and rightly so IMO) so it's something to keep in mind when negotiating deal, especially if you speak to the manager personally..

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    spackbace on 06/11/2018 - 11:38

    Every salesperson would say they need to check it with the manager, unless you're paying asking price

    And no one will say how far off target they are… No one. Why would they, to then sell a car at a loss? Doesn't sound like good business.

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      Flanders on 06/11/2018 - 11:56

      And no one will say how far off target they are

      Of course they wouldn't tell you exactly. But if could find out when deadline is (from different source to the actual dealership you are negotiating with) then could, as I mentioned, go in shortly before dealine.

      Every salesperson would say

      You are supporting the myth and misinformation that 'all car sales people are dishonest liars' .
      In any case, many people can intuitively and cognitively catch people out whom are being dishonest. Personally, if I catch someone out being dishonest out of greed, I would certainly not buy anything from them, that is a definite red flag as to what else they might be lying about.

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        spackbace on 06/11/2018 - 12:06

        +1

        We make money from commission, that's just business. A minimum deal at most dealerships is $100. That's it. So we maximise gross.

        We're not lying or deceiving, in actual fact we get lied to and deceived far more by customers than the other way around. We have social media to deal with, survey results from the manufacturers which form part of our kpis, and the desire for repeat business.

        A car is advertised for a price. If you don't want to pay that price, that's where negotiation comes in.

        If you expect a salesperson to just cop your low offer without a fight, you're fkn dreaming lol it's not worth it to his income to do so, and you knew that going in.

        I've worked for used car dealers who sell by fixed price, completely negating any 'tactics' etc to try to get a lower price. That's always an interesting one

        So yeah, save the whole dishonest speech, if you're like the majority of customers then you've lied to a salesperson, from any field not just cars.

        No manager has gotten to where they are by accepting the first offer and not attempting to hold gross. They have kpis as well as an income they want/need.

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          Flanders on 06/11/2018 - 13:33

          @spackbace:

          Every salesperson would say they need to check it with the manager, unless you're paying asking price

          We're not lying or deceiving,

          You are contradicting yourself. Unless you are saying that every single sale ever (below asking/marked price) is actually each and every time checked with manager.

          You look foolish when you claim that everyone would tell xxx lie (regardless of whether it is true or a lie) , then claim it is not lying or deceiving . How does that work ?? Lol. Typical stereotypical used car salesperson talk.
          I'm sure some people are completely honest with customers. It doesn't need to be fixed price in order to negotiate while being 100% honest. It just likely makes it easier to negotiate in your own favour, if you lie. As you mentioned, some dealerships forgoe the BS and just have their lowest price straight up, regardless of the customer and their ability to negotiate and/or skills to pick when they are being B-Shxxxted to.

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            spackbace on 06/11/2018 - 15:06

            +1

            @Flanders: I didn't say they have their lowest price straight up, they just have a set price. There's still profit at that price 😉

            You obviously like to summarise me with everyone in my industry, and from a stereotype which pre-dates my birth. You can't see reason from your twisted views so I won't even bother. Your comments are filled with prejudice and bitterness, it tells more about you than it does me.

            Unless you are saying that every single sale ever (below asking/marked price) is actually each and every time checked with manager.

            Umm, it is. In order to sign a contract it requires approval. Unless the deal is being done by a "selling manager", who has the authority to sign off.

            See, in WA at least, there's 2 forms of sales licence, and only those with a yard managers licence have the authority to sign that deal off.

            But hey, feel free to sit there and generalise me from an ignorant position. It's so easy to judge someone you don't know and when you're sitting behind a computer/device 🙂

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              Flanders on 06/11/2018 - 17:31

              @spackbace:

              But hey, feel free to sit there and generalise me from an ignorant position.

              Clearly you generalized yourself.
              ignorance is , contradicting your own statement, for the sake of continuing your mindless rant.

              We make money from commission, that's just business. A minimum deal at most dealerships is $100. That's it. So we maximise gross.

              We're not lying or deceiving, in actual fact we get lied to.

              Evidently, you are generalizing all customers and assuming all salepeople are dishonest, just because you choose to be.

              Your argument is flawed and foolish, but please continue with your ignorant rant :) I find it entertaining. Lol.

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                spackbace on 06/11/2018 - 17:51

                @Flanders:

                contradicting your own statement

                There's that statement again, yet I'm struggling to see where I contradicted myself. Do tell?

                assuming all salepeople are dishonest, just because you choose to be.

                Walk into any car dealership and ask these 2 questions:
                1. What's the oldest stock car you have and how long has it been in stock?
                2. What's the cost price, before loads, including hold-back and all bonuses, of any car?
                and wait for an honest answer.

                And wait

                And keep waiting

                Oh, still waiting.

                Point is, no business has to divulge their particulars to a customer, and you can act like every salesperson has been transparent in their dealings with you (when successful), however you're just viewing them through rose tinted glasses. Cost sheets can be heavily manipulated, and no one will openly be upfront about the real cost price of a vehicle (or really most products, unless you know the true cost of every product in Harvey Norman?)

                But I must commend you on your horse, it's really high!

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                spackbace on 06/11/2018 - 18:21

                @Flanders: Here, let me break this down for you before you go on another self-serving rant.

                Let's clear up the misinformation you're spreading.

                Back to your original comment:

                I'm not certain how honest your saleperson will be, but IMO if they really have to contact manager to comfirm if they can make the deal, well your probably cutting into their profits significantly.

                Every offer has to be approved by management unless you're paying sticker price. EVERY. SINGLE. OFFER.

                If you can discover these incentives/bonuses that the manufacturer is offering to the dealership and it's staff

                Will never happen. In fact, the details of those bonuses barely ever make their way down the line as salespeople are paid on hitting different kpis.
                Salesperson gets paid on deliveries, not deals. And even then your chances of being that 1 delivery off target are very small, so small as to not have much of a deciding factor in your ability to get a good deal.

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                So, are you done sprouting misinformed lies, or are you allowed to lie and I'm not?

                People in glass houses…

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      pegaxs on 06/11/2018 - 12:26

      +1

      If anyone asked me how close I was to monthly target, I would just say "oh, I got there few days ago, I'm just coasting now till end of month."

      in actual fact we get lied to and deceived far more by customers than the other way around.

      Exactly!

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        spackbace on 06/11/2018 - 15:07

        Some people believe we're still the same industry we were in the 60s 😂 just fkn hilarious to see how bitter they are.

        Must've bought rust protection at some time 😉😂

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          [Deactivated] on 06/11/2018 - 15:37

          +2

          @spackbace: But I was told rust protection will increase resale value of my Yaris 🙄🙄

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            pegaxs on 06/11/2018 - 15:48

            @[Deactivated]: Nah, it’s all about the ceramic, titanium, silicon, UV proof paint protection now…

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          Lockster on 06/11/2018 - 16:03

          @spackbace: Hey spackbace I have sent you a PM for when you have a chance to read it.