Hit and Run Vehicle - Police Did Not Review CCTV as Investigating Officer Was on Holiday

Hi looking for some advice.

My car broke down outside a petrol station, so I rolled it into a spot just outside the driveway on a local street as it was near my house, while I sorted out a plan to repair it and then sell it. Note that it was no longer insured but was still registered.

About two weeks later someone had crashed into it and drove off. Someone left a note on the car giving the registration details of the offender and said "saw an old fella in a ute crash into your car.. registration xxxx”.

  • Incident happened last week of August or first week of September
  • Reported to police 4 september.
  • Waiting for investigation to identify the driver and for me to send a claim
  • now is nearly 2-3 months since the incident and report to police, car been sitting there

The petrol station has CCTV cameras that cover where the car is parked. Additionally across the road was a Good Guys with another CCTV facing the street from the pick up area.

I only know the timeframe was one week, where it was not damaged and it was damaged. The police said he will have a look and go talk to the offender. He looked it up on the system and confirmed the rego given was a old man with a white Ute. But the person who left the note did not leave their own details. Police said he will go pay the man a visit but said "the old man must have not heard it happening".

Now I went to follow up on the report and they told us there’s not much they can do as the investigation police officer went on holiday with his kids and it is far too late to review CCTV footage. Additionally there is no witnesses as there was no contact number on the letter.

It’s been approximately a few months now since this.

So
1) What can I do about the police report? There was CCTV and the damages were more than 1k but they did not get someone to follow up. Feel that if they found the offender that I could make the insurance claim so much easier for not at fault. Seemed to take the issue very lightly too.

2) Should I get the car fixed or just sell for scrap? It is worth $3000-$4000 with repair costs $2-$3k not including the crash which will cost additional around $1k. Low km for 2003 car @160k and good condition. Will only sell for $200-400 for scrap.

Comments

                        • @ely: Because once you give the footage to anyone, you lose control over it. Off the top of my head, say someone slipped on a very very visible puddle inside the petrol station while running in the pouring rain 3 weeks ago.

                          If your standard procedure is to keep CCTV footage for 2 weeks, you tell any ambulance chasing lawyer that you don't have footage and that you've no idea what they're talking about. That basically kills any even vexatious or frivolous case.

                          If the footage gets out and the lawyer gets that footage? They tie you up in court for weeks - which for a small business owner is not just unpalatable but could send them broke (again, one man operations especially), and extorts a settlement out of you.

                          Would I be letting myself in for some sort of trouble by doing so?

                          Yes, potentially. The legal industry is kind of like the insurance industry - it's all about managing and minimising risk, and calculating risk/reward. There's no up-side in helping. There's very real and very possible downsides. And this isn't like jumping into a river to save someone - this is at most $1,000 for OP. That's it.

                          • @HighAndDry: Ah yes, I forget I'm in Australia sometimes. NZ more or less eliminated personal injury lawsuits via the ACC levy.

                            TBH though, I'd still help out. Risk is small enough.

                            • +1

                              @ely: The injury stuff is only one aspect. What if it is a violet person/stalker trying to track down their abused partner as they know frequent the station but want to know what sort of car they drive now? you just don't know what trouble you are getting yourself mixed up in, keep it minimum time and provide it whenever legally required to do so or to police. If it was my station I would definitely not release it to anyone that just asked.

                      • -1

                        @HighAndDry: Right to Information Request (RTI) and I could have reviewed myself, but the police said they'll have a look to see what they can do. Never knew they'd go on a holiday.

                        Note: Car was parked legally on the local street in a parking spot. Council knew it was not abandoned. Car repair shops was contacted during this time and was only 1-2 weeks. I wouldn't justify this abandoning it + considering this post.

                        It's only been sitting there for months after waiting for the police to give the guy a call/visit and review CCTV footage if required.

                        • @Fat Horny Ghost: How are you going to use an RTI? unless the service station is government owned how does that apply? I know a few business owners with surveillance, none of them would turn over footage to a member of the public with a legal request to do so. The potential liability problems are just to great.

                      • -1

                        @HighAndDry: The petrol station can voluntarily release CCTV, otherwise they can get issued a subpoena of evidence and must hand over the evidence in court which will take more time, effort and money for both parties.

                        The car is not legally classified as abandoned as it is still registered.

                        I can only see that it is only of your opinion that it is abandoned.

                        The yearly registration fees for the car is paid, which allows the car to be on a public roadway. It is also legally parked.. hence it is allowed to be parked within a local street regardless of the time frame.

      • +1

        Adopt bi-section algorithm. Monday ok, Sunday broker, check Thursday.The check either tuesday night of thursday night. But yes, your approach is a good approach, if it was not for the "Lazy" part.

  • +4

    Just came back from reporting hit and run incident on my parked vehicle. No note was left behind, luckily my dash cam was running 24 hours and 7 days.Tracked it down, the event took place on Tuesday night 11pm (very dark) and only to find out last night. Rushed out to police station and reported the whole incident with the dash cam footage and the rego, My insurance is demanding for access fee of $800 to lodge this claim.. The faults car was registered and insured with NRMA and noted concession on the vehicle. What is concession? How could they just hit and run……..

    $200 dollar dash cam could go a long way, save me a fortune.

    Check out this footage

    https://drive.google.com/open?id=1yy9GXca1S4RjA6bDMsSkrXhiKH…

    • wat…
      lol rip gg

    • *excess

      And yeah, your insurance will charge you excess unless it's in your policy that they refund it for not-at-fault claims. That's standard - they didn't run into your car, so it's not like it's their fault.

      But at least you had a dashcam and can rely on that, not like OP.

    • +1

      Which dash cam did you get and did you hard wire it into the 12v battery?

  • +17

    Police don’t care. Not only do they not care, but the majority also have the IQ of vegetables. I had over $10k damage done to my car by deliberate vandalism. Had to repeatedly harass police to even get them to record a case number so I had a recorded police case to provide to insurance….

    Police have more important things to do, like hiding in bushes looking for people doing 63kmh in a 60 zone

    • +5

      or harassing kids with dogs at dance festivals

      • -4

        Stop taking illicit drugs and they’ll stop.

        • They said dogs, is it a no pets event?

      • Did the error checker change "Drugs" to "Dogs" ?

      • -3

        I assume you meant "drugs" - but if they found those kids with drugs before they took the drugs, we'd have less kids dead from ODs at these dance festivals.

      • +1

        How does anyone not understand this comment? It refers to harassing kids, with the use of sniffer dogs.

    • Out of interest, what's the IQ of vegetables? If they are intelligent enough lifeforms, vegans will have nothing to eat.

      • Maybe they can eat police instead?

    • Why didn't they record a case number? Isn't that not following their operational processes?

  • +1

    You dont have an eye witness.
    You dont know if the incident was captured on CCTV.
    You dont know if the CCTV is Hi-Res
    And if it was whether the number plate and the driver are even visible
    Give it up.

    Next time park the car somewhere safe and close by in a quiet street where you can keep an eye on it.

  • +1

    These posts just get better and better…

  • +2

    Seems to be normal. Some punk was chased out of the nearby pub, jumped my fence and got busted for trespassing among various other things he's done at the pub. That was back in Feb.

    Fast forward to April, they've finally contacted me to make a statement but I wasn't available then. Left the local copper a message to follow up and didn't hear anything till last week.

  • Regarding your repair estimate, maybe its like your car 'worth' and not quite accurate.
    Ask around for cheaper repair, explain that you're just going to sell it. Maybe someone will fix it up much cheaper. There is guy round here thats panel beater and does very cheap repairs. His jobs aint 100% perfect, but you pay like a third of what elsewhere charges, so its worth it.

  • +1

    To give you an idea of how much police care about these scenarios, I have an example of a hit and run while I was in the car… reported it to the cops, had to go to the station again to give a statement, and never heard back. The damage was minor enough not to follow it up but it really gave me the shits that the driver left without consideration, and the police didn't get back to me. At some point its better just to move on in life.

    • Did you give them the rego number? Perhaps they put it down as a low priority case that they'll look at afterwards

      • Yeah I did, and had a witnesses' contact details of the car next to me. Haha this was about 4 years ago, so I've well and truly given up.

  • A friend of mine had no comprehensive insurance in accident with fault by other party. But they spoke to a lawyer and got repairs sorted as other person had insurance.

    I've no idea about CCTV and police but they may have better suggestions than ozb.

  • To resume, you dumped it there to get it either vandalized, steal or hit…. It s hard to be compassionate with your story when you didn t do nothing to ensure the safety of your car. You ve got 5 cars. So that means you got enough space on your property to park them all. Not the servo job to look after it and i can understand why the cop didn t even bother with your case for now as he might think you just want to get money from the insurance. You should move on as by now the guy must have fixed his car and most cctv woyld have been delete.

    • Your message is so full of errors and false assertions I don't know where to start.

    • -2

      Car was only left there for 2 weeks before the incident happened. I was arranging inspections for repair. Reported it straight to the police an hour later and now its been sitting there waiting for them to find the person so I can claim some money for repairs.

  • +4

    Wheres the mspaint diagram?????

  • Ok, so you didn’t give a F about a car and left it to rot outside and now when someone smashed it you want cops to care for it? No thank you!

    PS. Sorry about your loss though, wish you had not left the car abandoned.

    • This. OP seems like the kind to freeload on others instead of lifting a finger to help themselves. Not towing the car to their own place (because hey, I can leave it abandoned on a public street.) Not having a dashcam or anything else (because hey, free CCTV from petrol station across the street). And now they want the police to help them recover about $1,000 in 'damages', for a 15 year old already broken-down car.

      • -3

        This doesn't make sense.

        If someone drove into your vehicle/vandalised and a rego was reported, you would reasonably expect the culprit to be at least contacted/prosecuted. CCTV was also available at the time but the time-frame was large.

        Additionally:

        1. I wouldn't pay $100 to get it towed a few hundred metres into another small local street, but this one is in front of my house so if someone hits it during the hours I am home, I will able to run outside just in time to catch the rego if he drives away.

        2. I honestly wasn't expecting anything to happen, but 'just in case' if something does it'll be on CCTV if left outside the petrol station on the side street (legally parked) whilst I sorted out quotes for repair.

        3. All that is required is for the police to give the person a call and identify if they were guilty. Without CCTV this will be difficult, but there is CCTV which can be used as an aid or bargaining tool for the offender to admit fault.

        • +2

          but there is CCTV which can be used

          And you have seen this totally compelling CCTV footage?

          Your posts here are just getting more and more absurd each time you reply. Comparing to a Porsche windscreen. Making unrealistic comparisons. Asking “what would you do” and shifting the goal posts.

          The fact remains. You parked your car and left it unattended for months. It was not a case of “if” but “when” will it get damaged. I’m surprised the local teens out at night didn’t see it was always parked there and decide to smash it.

          You have a note left by anyone making mention of someone. This is not evidence. It’s not a witness. It could be a pissed off person who wants to get their neighbor in trouble leaving the note.

          • -1

            @pegaxs: The car was not left unattended for months. Incident happened between one or two weeks after it was left there.

            It’s parked right where the camera is facing so a phone call along with potential cctv footage or inspection would lead to the driver admitting fault. None of this was done from what I heard.

        • +1

          An anonymous stranger scribbled a rego and left it on your car. That you expect anyone to do anything based on that is ridiculous.

          • -1

            @HighAndDry: That's why there is CCTV footage to confirm the offender. Thanks to a Ozbargain member, I can obtain a subpoena in the local court to get the footage if the police don't follow up, as long as they or someone has contacted the petrol station of the incident, the petrol station must hold the footage beyond the 28 legal time-frame.

  • +1

    I wouldnt leave behind a $50 note somewhere let alone a piece of metal worth $400 or more.. outside somewhere but in my own driveway.

    Lesson learnt. Lets move on.

    • +1

      Where do you park your car outside of your driveway? Hit and run to property can happen anywhere and anytime.

      • +1

        In my life since owning cars in 1996, i never felt at ease when parking at night anywhere but on my own driveway (i.e. not on the street) or garage. Whether when i rented or my own place.

        Even when i was a student and had to park outside an undercover area for 6 months, i wasnt at ease and then moved out.

        Simple as that ;-)

        The risk of someone hitting a car on public road, public carpark or near petrol station is simply significantly higher than someone crashing into a private property (unless it is a house at the end of a T junction… which in some culture is a bad luck house anyway).

        • +1

          Unfortunately we can’t fit more cars in our garage or driveway. This would have been ideal but we keep our expensive cars inside and out older cars outside on the street.

          The car was left in a small local street so the risk wasn’t that high but it was just outside the side street driveway of the station.

          • @Fat Horny Ghost:

            Unfortunately we can’t fit more cars in our garage or driveway.

            Yes, maybe you should've thought about that before buying your 6th car.

            • @HighAndDry: And clearly so does anyone else who parks anywhere else other than their driveway or garage.

  • +2

    Crap that your car got damaged but there’s nothing you could realistically expect the police to do. You’re waiting around for police to take action on something that isn’t really their problem.

    Damage to your car is your own Civil problem – not police business. The only Criminal issue that they are obliged to look into is the driver failing to leave details and or report damage to the police. You don’t go into detail about the damage to your car but quote the officer as having said:

    “..old man must have not heard it happening..”

    So the officer is effectively suggesting to you that perhaps a criminal law hasn’t been broken (you have to wilfully not leave your details for it to be a crime). They should still follow up the issue but they're not charging anyone.

    CCTV – there was nothing stopping you contacting the servo directly and making the request. That said they don’t have to give it to you (or the police even) without a court order.

    The best you could have done (and could still do) is politely ask the police to supply the name and address of the driver from the rego and send a letter of demand to them. Again though the police don’t have to supply this and there are other channels to get details.

    You'd still have no way of proving anything in a contest but perhaps the other driver is genuinely unaware of who he hit and happy to pay (haha maybe…)

    • +1

      “..old man must have not heard it happening..”

      So old man not only has slow reflexes, bad eye sight, he also has bad hearing. He really should not drive anymore.

      • Or it was such a small and low-speed incident that he honestly didn't notice. I mean - this is between a ute and what would to anyone look like an abandoned car.

        • "To tell you the truth, in all honesty, I might have heard a screeching noise, and the car slowed down a little bit, but I thought it must be the age, not my age, the age of the car. You know it happens quite often"

    • What do you refer to by other channels? I will give the police a call again soon to see if I can get the details.

      • In Victoria you (or typically your insurance company I guess) can make a request to VicRoads. At a minimum I'd guess you'd need to make stat decs etc about why you need it

  • -3

    Businesses are required to keep 14 days of footage. If you didn't get it in 14 days that's too bad and too sad.

    • +4

      What? How can that be a thing if it's not a legal requirement to even have CCTV?

    • +1

      Well that sentence sounds completely made up. Citation needed haha

  • Wait for the Investigation Officer to come back from holidays.

  • +1

    Your own fault. To lazy to get it towed to your own home.

    • +1

      If the incident happened in front of my house does it make any difference?

      • +1

        How often did you chase up the report with. the police? You may have ben more inclined to chase it up more often if it had been in front of you house.

        • Only once after the report before I did this report. Should have chased it up more often but they'd contact me if they found anything.

          Honestly if I had it parked in front of my house, chances of a witness would be almost nill and I don't have CCTV in front of my house or a 24/7 dash cam in the vehicle (which I'm looking to get for my other cars - any recommendations will be nice). But the chances of an incident would be minute, but still possible given that cars goes through the street.

          • @Fat Horny Ghost: More likely there would be less traffic in your own 'small street' where your house is… than near the servo where many cars are known to frequent; as it is a servo.

      • Yes, you could've had CCTV monitoring it yourself and not need to beg others for help.

  • +2

    Needless to say, the system is (profanity). Someone hit and ran my car, report & provided dash cam video on the day. It has now been 5 months and not a single report from cops and insurance gets told still under investigation. What the fk are investigation, a murder?

    I would say you have less chances to get the culprits detail. Cops are hopeless in this country.

    • I suspect cops are prioritizing more on immediate dangers than crime that has happened and get around to lower priority investigations, but only if there is evidence to prosecute a crime.

      I had a tenant that was selling drugs (now evicted after a court order for not paying rent - couldn’t evict on grounds of conducting illegal activity on premises), the police only paid them a visit only a month later and confiscated some equipment from a report I found shifting through some letters.

      Surprised a post saying they were in their car and got hit and run and submitted dash cam with rego and witnesses but still no result. After reading this mine would definitely be something that they won’t even look at.

      Are there cases where drivers that hit and run that caused property damage and no injuries we’re actually caught I’m guessing injuries will most likely lead to a insurance claim so they would follow that up.

      • Yep they won't. But then I had a friend who reported their car was keyed and surely enough that cop got the guy.

        It just depends who you get, good luck with one helping you though.

  • Good luck cops helping you. They did nothing for me when a truck hit my car and continued to go on his way. They simply don't care or I had a loser.

    They say it's a SERIOUS offense to hit and run and they do squat all. I guess no revenue for it. Useless.

  • how can we respect the system if it keeps failing us, i feel ya OP.

  • +1

    guys, i dropped my kids off at school. i went back after a few years to pick them up but they are no longer at school. the police said it has been too long and cant help me. what should i do?!

    • +2

      Get pregnant again.

  • do the maths

    Car's redshonk value 4-5k
    Repair cost 3-4k
    You're already only at a 1k value plus all the hassle of getting it repaired and back on the road
    You might get 1k for the damage but if he's an old pensioner chances are even if you get a small claims case lodged he could just be paying $10 a week to you for ages depending on his ability to pay

    Just try and maximise the amount of money you get from a scrap dealer/wrecker or part out any items of value from the car and sell them yourself

    Cars are money pits…

  • Quick update sold the car for scraps.

    The petrol station has clear high res view of the car.

    The witness visted the petrol station and left their phone number too so there is a witness.

    Let’s see what happens now with cctv and a witness.

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