Hey guys wonder if any of you have bought one and how efficient (cost per charge) of charging your car on your trip (around same distance for work for example) compared to like a Honda Civic or normal gasoline cars. Don’t know which one to choose.
Tesla Model 3 Cost Per Charge
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What does that statement mean?
Not available in Australia until 2019.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tesla_Model_3
Says the 50kwh battery has a rated range of 350km, not sure what power cost is for you, for me its áround 26c + gst per kwh (not accounting for solar). I guess there's not too many people in Australia with first hand experience, perhaps try a US or EV forum for real world examples
Standard Model 3 has a 50kw battery, charged in Melbourne 50x22cents (off peak) = $11 for range of 350km or $3.15/100km.
1/5 of petrol using offpeak pricing I calculated.
That's a minor component ($1.5K PA), depreciation and insurance is where you really lose a of money. Also cost of repairs on a Tesla vs conventional cars.
AGL has $1 a day unlimited charge for your eV car so take a look into it. But charged $1 regardless everyday whether you use or not.
https://content.agl.com.au/energy/electric-vehicle-cost-to-r…If you use their figures and what Tesla are saying at 50KW for 350KM range.
Then AGL is worth it if you drive more than 7KM a day.If your electricity rate was $0.25 per kilo Watt hour (kWh) – the Australian average – and your car used 18kWh4 to travel 100kms, you’d end up spending $4.50 for your electric vehicle journey.
Then just compare that with a budget car you can do the math.
How does that 7km a day calc work out?
My son did a school project comparing Tesla 3 potential cost vs a Toyota Camry and our driving behaviour. Came out with a break-even point of 12 years. He based cost of Tesla3 at A$60K. We only drive about 200Kms a week; so breakeven should be lower if you drive more.
Can confirm, I did the same project while looking at i30 vs new Ionic a few weeks ago. It would have taken about 15 years just to get to the break even point. 10 years if I could get all of my electricity for free.
Fuel will have to triple in price and EV's will have to halve in price before this break even point comes down anywhere close to the realistic ownership of a vehicle.
A Model 3 is a much nicer car than a Camry, as an Ionic is much nicer than a I30 Go, so these comparisons seem a bit unfair. If someone was going to spend 60k on a BMW but instead spent it on a Model 3 their savings will be immediate. Probably why BMW is now getting slaughtered by Tesla in the USA.
Do you guys understand what Tesla fuel saving cost mean. It gets added to price
If you are referring to the "Petrol savings over 5 years", it's just the estimated savings you would get needing no fuel for your car.
You should look at the drive away price instead because that is what you'll be paying
What about insurance on a Tesla compared to an equivalent petrol car. Im sure that may negate some fuel cost savings. Depreciation and maintenance. Build quility is also suspect. If your powering it up from solar or non polluting source thats fine, but otherwise isnt it mainly coming from coal fired generators. Tesla has great marketing and lemmings. ImO. Sorry OP for highjacking post in advance. Just saying the cost to charge is only a little part of car ownership.
I think that is a valid point. I was doing the homework on the Hyundai Ionic recently, so it was easier to compare it to the same lines up's dinosaur grease fired offerings. It also comes in a PHEV version as well, so I could compare the vehicle on that as well.
The official pricing has not been released as of when I did my research, but it was predicted that it would be up there with the Renault Zoe in price, approx. $50k+ on roads for the base model. The PHEV is estimated to be around $38k++ and I compared both of these to an i30, being around the same size and class.
The i30 starts around $20k. Let's err on the side of caution and make the i30 more expensive and the Ionic a little cheaper, lets say there is a a $20k price difference. At and average of $1.65/l for fuel, You could buy about 12,100l of fuel with the difference. i30 petrol gets about 13.3km/l, that's about 162,000km worth of petrol, or about 10 years of average driving. This is based on the assumption that you get ALL of your EV juice for FREE!
This isn’t even the break even point. This is the price parity point. Buying an EV to "save money on fuel" is a negative exercise at the current price points. It will still need servicing, it will still need to be filled with energy that isn’t free and the price gap is just way to large.
So, until the price of EV's halves at least, I would not be looking to buy and EV based purely on "fuel savings" alone. Maybe in the future, where fuel is $3/l and the EV market has dropped significantly, then yes, it may be worth considering then, but as of now, stick with dino fuels…
That's what people don't look at. The whole picture of ownership. What's the service cost for a Tesla. You can't exactly go to a jo blow service yard and get a cheap competitive price for that.
There will be a point where the scale for the PHEV pricing is more competitive. At the moment they make little of the overall total car sales. We don't have the government subsidised help with the purchase price like California. If you weigh up subjectively what you get from the PHEV car in spec to a standard petrol car for the same money at the moment it doesn't make sense. Happy for the early adopters to jump in on PHEV cars.
With the petrol cars. The writing is on the wall. Its only a matter of time, and they will become dinos overnight I think.
As for depreciation. Might be worth looking at a comparison for a new car to second hand version out of warranty PHEV. Bet they aren't all that great either. Its the battery that is the issue as it degrades over time. Don't think they are a cheap or easy thing to replace.
I agree… I think the next big leap is into the PHEV market, not straight to pure EV. PHEV's make much more sense in the short to medium term. Their costs are significantly lower than EV's, but the break even point is about 1/2 of that of the equivalent EV. Infrastructure is already existent for PHEV, where fast charging stations are yet to make a real impact for straight EV's
It certainly is interesting times ahead for motor vehicles, but I think buying an EV now and basing your whole reason of buying it on "fuel savings" is just uneconomical in this current situation.
Agreed with all the points mentioned prior, I just wanted to add to what you have mentioned, Australian consumers get a terrible deal on EV's. The car is mass produced in LHD form, the few RHD models that are produced will have to be shipped from the other side of the planet, at which point we get taxed at least three fold - which a brief google search suggests 10% duty + 10 % GST + 33% Luxury Car Tax on every $ over some ~$60k threshold.
It's ridiculous, states like California, Colorado decently subsidize EV's and here we are with every incentive to stick to our 6 litre holdens
I'd see a Model S on the road every few minutes in California, and that was 18 months ago, before the huge ground Tesla's has made recently ramping up it's EV production. They have plenty of fast charging stations to make the 1000km+ interstate roadtrips feasible
Good question, wondering when and how much to change battery
If cared for (don't drain the battery low if you can avoid it) Somewhere around 250,000-300,000km, the battery will be struggling.
The battery pack can in principle be reconditioned cheaply just by replacing the weaker cells, but this is difficult in Australia due to limited second hand part availability and will void the warranty.
Hey OP
This is your goto guy for everything Telsa in Australia and he addresses your question.
In comparison, Tesla costs less on petrol but more on electricity. YMMV.